All 11 of Dak's Fumbles Analyzed

[nightrain]

Yup, very true. I will say that Prescott hasn't played 3 seasons yet, compared to 15 years.

He ain't even sniffing 15 years taking 7 sacks/game.

 

[Established1971]

1st vs Carolina: 3rd and 7 down 16-8 with 1:39 left: No one open, starts to run to the right at 2.72 seconds, is cut off by a defender and reverses field. Fumbles the ball while being tackled. 3rd and 7 would have been 4th and 16 from our own 16. Didn’t exactly cost us the game but it was a legitimate fumble. I argue the Coverage sack caused this more than anything else.


2nd- Week 4 against Detroit: 2nd and 3 at Dallas 32- Empty set, Dak stepping up into the pocket and while in the act of throwing, has the ball knocked out from a defender at 2.29 seconds. Has the presence of mind to pick it up and throw it away. None of this is his fault and he actually saved the game by making this play as it was just before the 2 minute warning and we were down 24-23.


3rd: week 6 vs. Jacksonville: 2nd and 9 at Jax 32: In shotgun, while performing an RPO with Zeke, the ball looks to be knocked out by Zeke as he was running past on the fake, ball bounces up to Dak and he actually gained a yard.

4th- week 6 vs Jacksonville: 2nd and 7 at Jax 25: haha, again, Dak takes off scrambling after 2.37 seconds…ball slips out of his hand while running and bounces back into his hands for a 7 yard gain and a first down.

5th- Week 7 vs Washington- 4th and 1- Fumbles on a sneak. Totally on Dak and this one pissed me off because I have been screaming for them to utilize the qb sneak because it should be unstoppable and he goes and fumbles it when they try it. Washington recovered.


6th Week 7 vs Washington- 3rd and 14- After 4 seconds trying to find someone open, he gets caught sacked and fumbles into the end zone. Bad fumble, Washington scored on this fumble. I know he was trying to make a play but he can’t take a sack let alone fumble in that situation. 2 bad fumbles this game.

7th- Week 9 vs Tennessee- 3rd and 13- After 3.4 seconds in the pocket, is tackled trying to run away and while trying to fight for yardage, is stripped by Woodyard. Should have done something else after there was no one open at 3 seconds…again…trying to make a play on 3rd and long. No one open…Tennessee recovered.

8th-Week 10 vs. Philly- 3rd and 8- After 3 seconds in the pocket, starts to scramble to the right evading a defender, then pats the ball out of his own hand. Picks it up and throws incomplete. Not the worst thing in the world at all…wish he didn’t do that but no harm, no foul.

9th- Week 12 vs Washington- 2nd and 4- Designed RPO run to right, Fumbles as he is going out of bounds after getting the first down. Watching this, his right foot was already out of bounds and then fumbles…should not have even been a fumble. 1st down…


10th- Week 13 vs N.O.- 3rd and 7 New Orleans 19- Ball is knocked out of his hand by defender while resetting to throw in 2.5 seconds. Recovers own fumble for no gain. Hardly his fault on this one.

11th Week 13 vs N.O.- 3rd and 5 on N.O. 6- Sacked in 2.4 seconds from his blind side. A little more time and no holding by Collins and it is likely a TD to Gallup over the middle. Not much he could do here…imo. Wish he hung onto it but Collins was the problem here…not Dak.


Out of the 11 Fumbles:

• 5 were turnovers
• 4 were for positive yards or no gain.
• 4 were 2.5 seconds or less by a defender.
• 4 were as a runner
• 2 are hanging in the pocket too long, what he is bashed for...
• 1 shouldn't have been a fumble.

Hope this helps clear up the latest fallacy about this qb.

Hate to sound like a "hater" but it just feels like some (maybe a third?) of his fumbles are choke fumbles later in games and/or closer to scoring when he is feeling some urgency and loses a bit of his concentration. Again I say that it feels this way as an observer.

 

[Kevinicus]

Okay enough is enough.. Let's take a trip down memory lane and see how Romo performed against "playoff teams" aka "good teams"
I see your critisism of Dak for only generating 13 points against the best team currently in football... Here we go

2009
Week 10 @GB 7-17 loss / 1 int 1 fumble
Week 14 SD 17-20 loss /
Week 15 @ NO 24-17 win /
Week 17 Phi 34-14 win /
Week 19 @ Minn 3-34 loss 1 int 2 fumbles


2008
Week 2 Phi 41-37 win/ 1nt 1 fumble
Week 6 Ari 24-30 loss/ 0 Int 1 fumble
Week 14 Pits 13-20 loss/ 3 Ints 1 fumble
Week 15 NY 20-8 win/
Week 16 Balt 24-33 loss/ 2 Ints
Week 17 Phi 6-44 loss/ 1nt 2 fumbles

2007
Week 1 NY 45-35 win/ 1 Int
Week 6 NE 48-27 loss/ 1Int
Week 10 NY 31-20 win/ 1nt
Week 13 GB 37-27 win/ 1nt

2006
Week 7 NY 22-36 loss/ 3 int
Week 11 IND 27-10 win/ 1nt 1 fumble
Week 13 @NY 23-20 win/ 2 int
Week 14 NO 17-42 loss/2 int
Week 16 Phi 7-23 loss/ 2 int
Week 18 @Sea 20-21 loss


* now couple of notes

That is 32 turnovers in 21 games against playoff opponents. Hard to win like that. But of course lets blame the defense or someone else.

Which brings me to my next point. In 2007 Romo put up alot of points. Isn't that the same time period our defense was at the top of the league in generating turnovers? Amazing how that works right?

Sure dosen't appear to me Romo is some scoring machine in most of these games that you guys imply and most certainly did not protect the football.

Edit:

Defensive takeaways

2006 31
2007 29
2008 22
2009 21


2016 20
2017 21
2018 14

When Romo had poor games, people didn't and don't try and come out and call them good. When Dak has bad games, people make him out to be some phenom.

 

[sbark]

Dak should get " do overs" or mulligans?

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

I stand corrected. its between 2.56 and 3.28. Dak is about 2.93 and is the 3rd highest....doesn't change much does it.

2.8 seconds. After that, things tend to go wrong.

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/duke/article102215367.html

 

[starfan1]

What difference does it make that 4 were as a runner, he still needs to hold on to the ball. Never seen a qb get so many excuses

Oh the last one got quite a few as well I think it’s a Dallas fan thing lol

 

[ShortRound]

This is going to be a long offseason

 

[wssaustin]

Almost as good as Spag the Company Man in finding excuses.

 

[Ken]

You say no harm no foul here but I'm pretty sure this was the play that Cooper toasted Darby twice and Darby tore his ACL.

If Dak makes a good throw on this play it's likely a touchdown.

well...ya....but normal qbs were sacked on the play...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

2.8 seconds. After that, things tend to go wrong.

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/duke/article102215367.html

hey if we fix the OL and give him 4 seconds, he can do magic and get to above average...(sarcasm fully intended)

 

[G2]

He ain't even sniffing 15 years taking 7 sacks/game.

Fantastic viewpoint!

 

[CATCH17]

There's everyone in the world who understands this, and then there's you.

Lolllll

 

[G2]

Brilliant.

That's sorta like saying losing three fingers playing around with explosives is better than losing a hand.

Yeah - no.
You don't even get that you don't get it.

 

[Brax]

1st vs Carolina: 3rd and 7 down 16-8 with 1:39 left: No one open, starts to run to the right at 2.72 seconds, is cut off by a defender and reverses field. Fumbles the ball while being tackled. 3rd and 7 would have been 4th and 16 from our own 16. Didn’t exactly cost us the game but it was a legitimate fumble. I argue the Coverage sack caused this more than anything else.


2nd- Week 4 against Detroit: 2nd and 3 at Dallas 32- Empty set, Dak stepping up into the pocket and while in the act of throwing, has the ball knocked out from a defender at 2.29 seconds. Has the presence of mind to pick it up and throw it away. None of this is his fault and he actually saved the game by making this play as it was just before the 2 minute warning and we were down 24-23.


3rd: week 6 vs. Jacksonville: 2nd and 9 at Jax 32: In shotgun, while performing an RPO with Zeke, the ball looks to be knocked out by Zeke as he was running past on the fake, ball bounces up to Dak and he actually gained a yard.

4th- week 6 vs Jacksonville: 2nd and 7 at Jax 25: haha, again, Dak takes off scrambling after 2.37 seconds…ball slips out of his hand while running and bounces back into his hands for a 7 yard gain and a first down.

5th- Week 7 vs Washington- 4th and 1- Fumbles on a sneak. Totally on Dak and this one pissed me off because I have been screaming for them to utilize the qb sneak because it should be unstoppable and he goes and fumbles it when they try it. Washington recovered.


6th Week 7 vs Washington- 3rd and 14- After 4 seconds trying to find someone open, he gets caught sacked and fumbles into the end zone. Bad fumble, Washington scored on this fumble. I know he was trying to make a play but he can’t take a sack let alone fumble in that situation. 2 bad fumbles this game.

7th- Week 9 vs Tennessee- 3rd and 13- After 3.4 seconds in the pocket, is tackled trying to run away and while trying to fight for yardage, is stripped by Woodyard. Should have done something else after there was no one open at 3 seconds…again…trying to make a play on 3rd and long. No one open…Tennessee recovered.

8th-Week 10 vs. Philly- 3rd and 8- After 3 seconds in the pocket, starts to scramble to the right evading a defender, then pats the ball out of his own hand. Picks it up and throws incomplete. Not the worst thing in the world at all…wish he didn’t do that but no harm, no foul.

9th- Week 12 vs Washington- 2nd and 4- Designed RPO run to right, Fumbles as he is going out of bounds after getting the first down. Watching this, his right foot was already out of bounds and then fumbles…should not have even been a fumble. 1st down…


10th- Week 13 vs N.O.- 3rd and 7 New Orleans 19- Ball is knocked out of his hand by defender while resetting to throw in 2.5 seconds. Recovers own fumble for no gain. Hardly his fault on this one.

11th Week 13 vs N.O.- 3rd and 5 on N.O. 6- Sacked in 2.4 seconds from his blind side. A little more time and no holding by Collins and it is likely a TD to Gallup over the middle. Not much he could do here…imo. Wish he hung onto it but Collins was the problem here…not Dak.


Out of the 11 Fumbles:

• 5 were turnovers
• 4 were for positive yards or no gain.
• 4 were 2.5 seconds or less by a defender.
• 4 were as a runner
• 2 are hanging in the pocket too long, what he is bashed for...
• 1 shouldn't have been a fumble.

Hope this helps clear up the latest fallacy about this qb.

Another it's not Daks fault, Dak is great, Dak is better than all QB's post, All the fumbles are on the player who fumbles the ball, can't you give it a rest. Stop being a Dak apologist.

 

[Brax]

I think I have given up analyzing Dak. He is an enigma.... You never know what you are going to get. But, you know Jerry is keeping him, so what is the point anymore?

He is compared to Russell Wilson often, who also for the first 4 years or so, needed everything perfect around him, and wasn't very entertaining to watch. Eventually he developed into someone that could win games without things being perfect. I always compared Russell to a bus driver for years. The dominate defense that the hawks had, is what got them to the dance, and won them a super bowl. If our defense can stay dominate, then Dak will be wearing a ring as well possibly.

I said before, I don't think Dak retains information. I truly do not think he spends the time it takes to absorb information. I also do not think he sees anything wrong with his game. So, I guess we will find out if he is good enough to be that guy in a few years, after free agency, and age takes over for the rest of the team.

Although, no matter how well he is built, if he keeps holding the ball like he does... we will be finding a new QB anyway. He will find out what it is like to be Romo.

46 Sacks, or whatever it was at last count is just not even possible with the o-line we have. Really, it just isn't possible... they may not be at the top of their game, but they are not even close to as bad as his sack count makes them look. I am sorry but our O-line is better than the Giants. With Eli that doesn't move for anything... and he hasn't even been sacked that many times. Our O-line is leaps and bounds better than the Raiders, and Carr hasn't been sacked that many times.

But, if we pay him $30mil a year, like some top QB... he won't have everything perfect around him, so he better figure something out. Because in my opinion he is one of the most replaceable players that will need contracts.

• Does anyone thing DLAW isn't going to be needing a big check to stay?
• Does anyone think Byron, the level of CB play he has shown is going to be happy with his current contract? Which is up soon anyway.
• Zeke? You know that is like a 1993 Emmitt right there, waiting to happen.
• Cooper, we all see what he is capable of. I might have not wanted to give up a first. But, I always like that guy. I see now it was worth it.

Take any of that away, and tell me where you see Dak.

Do I think there should be a competition for the spot in training camp, etc?

> Most certainly... Dak's play in my opinion hasn't earned him the right, to just be the starter.

Am I under some false pretense that there is a Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes, or Goff out there waiting to be chosen by Dallas?

> No... I realize there is not a whole heck of a lot out there right now.

I still think Teddy Bridgewater was someone we should have looked into. Possibly during the off season as well. Where we can make it a competition in training camp, before Dak is signed to some contract that totally screws us.
If Dak tried to hold out for a contract next season, that would easily take care of it, at that point. Because he would just be done in Dallas. The only issue with someone like Teddy is, I would have to run him through a battery of tests, because that knee injury was unbelievable.

But still, if this defense stays intact for the next few years, the future is bright in Dallas, as far as job security for all, because the defense is no joke. And if LVE stays healthy, get ready for the biggest LB contract on earth when it is time.

This defense, and Zeke and Cooper, are the ONLY reason we have a chance. Dak is not an integral part of us winning. He just isn't a part of it. That is where I have the big problem with giving him some huge contract. There are QBs out there that can hand Zeke the ball, and make better throws to Cooper.

I just don't see what people base their opinion on with Dak, as far as being some key parts to us winning. Key things that actually justify him getting some big contract.

Well put, and pretty much spot on. I agree on waiting on Dak, Cowboys can not afford to make a mistake on a QB who really when looked at realistically has proven he is worth a long term deal, it reminds me a lot of the Cousins Commander quandary, and as it looks now the Vikings made a big big mistake paying him. Best path forward is let his contract play out then decide unless he is willing to take a extremely team friendly with no guarantees extension. Unless Dak show remarkable improvement just can not justify a big $ contract, problem is we know Jerry does crazy things and he likes him some Dak.

 

[Aviano90]

I'm clearly talking about the fumbles that are NOT turned over.

But, he is right though. Like when Romo fumbled the snap on our last possession of the 1st half in the 2014 GB playoff game. Huge fumble stalling our drive leading to Bailey's missed FG. Should have converted 1st down, kept ball, scored TD and went into halftime 21-7, at worst 17-7. Butterfingers cost us there.

 

[G2]

But, he is right though. Like when Romo fumbled the snap on our last possession of the 1st half in the 2014 GB playoff game. Huge fumble stalling our drive leading to Bailey's missed FG. Should have converted 1st down, kept ball, scored TD and went into halftime 21-7, at worst 17-7. Butterfingers cost us there.

That was the defenses fault tho.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't put it all on Dak but bottom line he needs to do a better job of securing the ball.

 

[Ken]

Hate to sound like a "hater" but it just feels like some (maybe a third?) of his fumbles are choke fumbles later in games and/or closer to scoring when he is feeling some urgency and loses a bit of his concentration. Again I say that it feels this way as an observer.

It is a good thing I put that information in the original post...should validate or not your feeling.

 

[Ken]

Another it's not Daks fault, Dak is great, Dak is better than all QB's post, All the fumbles are on the player who fumbles the ball, can't you give it a rest. Stop being a Dak apologist.

Well certainly at least one of the credited fumbles is not on Dak as he stepped out before the ball was fumbled.

So this is why i did this. Also...Running with the ball and dropping it is different than standing in the pocket too long and getting sacked and stripped, no?

Also why i did this..