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Do you resign Byron Jones, trade him or let him walk in free agency? That's a serious question. He was a pro bowler this year and he's a damn good football player, but do you pay market rate to keep him or do you "next man up" Lewis as a starting corner and save the cap space?

Would there really be that much drop off from Byron to Lewis? Corner and safeties can often be drafted in later rounds and coached up. That's not true for some other positions.

You could slap a tag on him and trade him for a decent pick. Maybe a second rounder. That would give you some ammo to go and get a decent DT if you wanted to make that move.

I'm not advocating that move, I'm just saying that's a possibility. I don't think Byron's stock will ever be higher. I also think he's a really good player, but I'm not sure how impactful a corner can be in the modern NFL.

It's just stuff to ponder.
 

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Do you resign Byron Jones, trade him or let him walk in free agency? That's a serious question. He was a pro bowler this year and he's a damn good football player, but do you pay market rate to keep him or do you "next man up" Lewis as a starting corner and save the cap space?

Would there really be that much drop off from Byron to Lewis? Corner and safeties can often be drafted in later rounds and coached up. That's not true for some other positions.

You could slap a tag on him and trade him for a decent pick. Maybe a second rounder. That would give you some ammo to go and get a decent DT if you wanted to make that move.

I'm not advocating that move, I'm just saying that's a possibility. I don't think Byron's stock will ever be higher. I also think he's a really good player, but I'm not sure how impactful a corner can be in the modern NFL.

It's just stuff to ponder.
He was pretty impactful this year. Didn’t he make the Pro Bowl? Haven’t we suffered in the past with a weak secondary?
 

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Byron stays. Damn good CB.
Depth is a real thing and you kind of need good players to be backups, or you get the Chaz Greens putting on starter's responsibilities.
Not that Lewis would be that much of a drop off, but at some point you, Verdict, need to accept that teams need quality depth on top of talent.

Not strip the cupboard for cap space the team doesn't even want to spend.

This spans multiple threads where you simply don't want to pay for anybody and mock people over the cap.
 

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Do you resign Byron Jones, trade him or let him walk in free agency? That's a serious question. He was a pro bowler this year and he's a damn good football player, but do you pay market rate to keep him or do you "next man up" Lewis as a starting corner and save the cap space?

Would there really be that much drop off from Byron to Lewis? Corner and safeties can often be drafted in later rounds and coached up. That's not true for some other positions.

You could slap a tag on him and trade him for a decent pick. Maybe a second rounder. That would give you some ammo to go and get a decent DT if you wanted to make that move.

I'm not advocating that move, I'm just saying that's a possibility. I don't think Byron's stock will ever be higher. I also think he's a really good player, but I'm not sure how impactful a corner can be in the modern NFL.

It's just stuff to ponder.
I would be interested in seeing what offers they would get if they shopped him. Now is the time.
 

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You don't trade off players when the have some success. Unless there is some kind of trouble with them or disagreement and is yes tto do so.
 

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My concern is if we don't get some of these priorities signed this year, you kinda box yourself in for 2020 with a quite a few.
 

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Byron is a good corner who had a good year. He's not a lock down guy and obviously not a turnover guy. For that reason, he's not getting top-5 money from me. Would anyone be shocked to see his play fall off a cliff next year?
 

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Byron stays. Damn good CB.
Depth is a real thing and you kind of need good players to be backups, or you get the Chaz Greens putting on starter's responsibilities.
Not that Lewis would be that much of a drop off, but at some point you, Verdict, need to accept that teams need quality depth on top of talent.

Not strip the cupboard for cap space the team doesn't even want to spend.

This spans multiple threads where you simply don't want to pay for anybody and mock people over the cap.

Not really. You have to take the Cowboys cap situation on the whole, not just on a player by player basis. I'm not advocating that we win the salary cap trophy. Lol.

I'm just saying that decisions will have to be made and the cap has to be taken into consideration in each instance and on the whole.

We can't resign EVERYONE and OVERPAY EVERYONE.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think a lot of people are going to get some serious heart burn over the Dak contract. I think 1. his resigning is inevitable and 2. his contract is going to be way higher than everyone thinks it is going to be. I hope I'm actually wrong about #2.

Tank is a priority signing. I want him to be resigned. But he's not nearly the level of player that a guy like Von Miller is. That doesn't mean that he's not worthy of a significant contract. It just means that we shouldn't break the bank to keep him.

The problem that we have with Tank is that he has ridden out his first franchise tag and his starting number is going to probably be the number for his franchise tag this year. That makes negotiations difficult. I DONT think the Cowboys will let him walk so he is probably going to break the bank.too.

Amari Cooper is going to get top 10 receiver money at a minimum. That's pretty much a given too.

Let's talk about Zeke. I guess we could conceivably make Zeke play out his contract and not extend him and franchise him and maybe that's best for the organization. But it's not innthe best interests of the player. I said last year we should have drafted a stud RB to pair with Zeke but we didnt. That gives Zeke leverage.

If Zeke holds out then the season is significantly impaired. I don't think the Cowboys can let that happen. Do you? That's a lot of really large contracts.

If we renew all of them this year (two of them are almost a certainty) then the available cap is going to dry up significantly. The Cowboys have the cap room to do it. That's not the issue. It's that the 4 contracts set forth above will all probably be be 5 years total each and they are all likely to be done this offseason except maybe Zeke.

Bryon is coming up next offseason. We can do that one too if we choose to. But see the cumulative issue set forth above for thisnobe too.

Now let's talk about contingencies. Tyron's back isn't in the best shape. If Tyron crashes and burns, I would expect a significant cap hit due to the acceleration of the SBs and restructures.

We can do all the above if we want. But at some point, you end up losing someone that you REALLY want to keep.

We let Leary walk, we let Parnell walk, we let Murray walk, and we more recently let Hitchens walk. I'm not saying that they were mistakes. I am saying that they were cap related decisions ONLY, because each and every one of those players would have been resigned for the right price.

We let Herschel Walker go in the trade of the century. I can assure you that no on was saying hey, let's get rid of Herschel to get better, but that's exactly what we did. I'm just saying we should be looking to improve and make the next step.
 

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My concern is if we don't get some of these priorities signed this year, you kinda box yourself in for 2020 with a quite a few.

That's why I think you are going to see Dak, Amari, Tank, and Zeke get resigned this offseason.
 

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Upgrade Heath in the draft or FA.

Get some Dline depth

Get Fredbeard healthy

Sign Tank

Draft amazing like they have lately and replace/upgrade guys by accident.

Still hopeful we get a new OC even though Garrett said otherwise. We will see.
 

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You make a good point about Lewis. We don't have much to work on there but he seems to have some cover skills too and may even bee a better ball hawk than Jones. Still, I want to see Jones and Lewis play another year before I decide what to do with him. If he adds interceptions to his game he is going to be very expensive in 2020.
 

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Not really. You have to take the Cowboys cap situation on the whole, not just on a player by player basis. I'm not advocating that we win the salary cap trophy. Lol.

I'm just saying that decisions will have to be made and the cap has to be taken into consideration in each instance and on the whole.

We can't resign EVERYONE and OVERPAY EVERYONE.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think a lot of people are going to get some serious heart burn over the Dak contract. I think 1. his resigning is inevitable and 2. his contract is going to be way higher than everyone thinks it is going to be. I hope I'm actually wrong about #2.

Tank is a priority signing. I want him to be resigned. But he's not nearly the level of player that a guy like Von Miller is. That doesn't mean that he's not worthy of a significant contract. It just means that we shouldn't break the bank to keep him.

The problem that we have with Tank is that he has ridden out his first franchise tag and his starting number is going to probably be the number for his franchise tag this year. That makes negotiations difficult. I DONT think the Cowboys will let him walk so he is probably going to break the bank.too.

Amari Cooper is going to get top 10 receiver money at a minimum. That's pretty much a given too.

Let's talk about Zeke. I guess we could conceivably make Zeke play out his contract and not extend him and franchise him and maybe that's best for the organization. But it's not innthe best interests of the player. I said last year we should have drafted a stud RB to pair with Zeke but we didnt. That gives Zeke leverage.

If Zeke holds out then the season is significantly impaired. I don't think the Cowboys can let that happen. Do you? That's a lot of really large contracts.

If we renew all of them this year (two of them are almost a certainty) then the available cap is going to dry up significantly. The Cowboys have the cap room to do it. That's not the issue. It's that the 4 contracts set forth above will all probably be be 5 years total each and they are all likely to be done this offseason except maybe Zeke.

Bryon is coming up next offseason. We can do that one too if we choose to. But see the cumulative issue set forth above for thisnobe too.

Now let's talk about contingencies. Tyron's back isn't in the best shape. If Tyron crashes and burns, I would expect a significant cap hit due to the acceleration of the SBs and restructures.

We can do all the above if we want. But at some point, you end up losing someone that you REALLY want to keep.

We let Leary walk, we let Parnell walk, we let Murray walk, and we more recently let Hitchens walk. I'm not saying that they were mistakes. I am saying that they were cap related decisions ONLY, because each and every one of those players would have been resigned for the right price.

We let Herschel Walker go in the trade of the century. I can assure you that no on was saying hey, let's get rid of Herschel to get better, but that's exactly what we did. I'm just saying we should be looking to improve and make the next step.
Imo this is why they will pay Dak. To keep the franchise tag alive to use on others in 2020 instead of it being locked in Dak. A deal now with upfront money that they could walk away from later after 3 or 4 years takes up about the same money as the exclusive tag 2 years in a row with Dak.
 

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BJones isn't that hard a call imho.

You early offer him a long term deal based on playing in this scheme.
It's the kind of money and GTD salary he likely didn't think he'd ever see 12 months ago.
But it isn't top 10 CB money.

If he wants that he will have to play out his 5th year option and then possibly be franchised before hitting true open free agency.

He was really good in many ways but also fell off some at the end of the year and didn't create turnovers.
SEA CBs almost never duplicated their success elsewhere. This system is a boon to CBs.

I fully expect us to go draft another tall, strong CB this draft somewhere.
 

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Imo this is why they will pay Dak. To keep the franchise tag alive to use on others in 2020 instead of it being locked in Dak. A deal now with upfront money that they could walk away from later after 3 or 4 years takes up about the same money as the exclusive tag 2 years in a row with Dak.
Tagging Dak isn't even a true discussion point.
As we saw in WAS w Cousins that is about the very last way to go.

The main guy who must be all in on the team long term is the QB.
And you don't wanna eat 25-30M a year in cap hit anyway.
Far easier to eat that much split over 2 seasons in dead cap if it came to that.

Pay him and get his cap hits in right at or slightly below 20m and keep it moving.
Give him bonuses for making the pro bowl, all pro and each round of the playoffs plus some workout bonuses to take his money higher into actual top10 (right now) QB range.
And the sooner you ink the deal the better because QB salaries are only going up.
Signing before Goff or Wentz means a lower market rate.
 

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Yes. You don't have to take the offers but we should be listening.

Suppose we're offered a mid 1st round pick? Do we take it and address the DL? We have good corners that could step up, but we are really soft on the DL. It's a thought worth discussion.
 
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