Give the money to Foles

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Meanwhile in other news Nick Foles throws the ball high to an Alshon Jeffries who was playing with bruised ribs and gets intercepted thereby killing his teams chance of advancing.

Really, you blaming foles for that one? Bruised ribs maybe, but that should've been caught.

 

[Daktozekecoop]

Well Dak shares in the blame of us being in that position. You as an Quarterback get excused and get credit if you make the comeback. But if you as the Quarterback were part of the problem, you don't get any credit for an almost comeback.

The defense was doing nothing and their defense was stopping Zeke. Unless you expect to suddenly pass on every down and that would obviously not work. Dak made the throws he usually makes and he made more throws than that. Not another element of the team was performing to par. He was 20 to 30 percent better than normal on a day when the rest of the team was 70 to 90 percent off of their usual performance.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Foles is also fragile, BTW.

But Wents already seems to be where romo was later on in his career, where you wonder if he can play for a whole season.

 

[Daktozekecoop]

It was only because of Dak, Cooper and Gallup, that I was able to stomach the game. Otherwise I would have gone out for three or four 30 minute walks to get through it. I finally came to realize the team was worn out and was doing all it could without more rest. Hopefully next year we will manage to get a bye. We'll see.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

On a scale of 1-10, I gave Dak a 5.5. He was OK, not great, not terrible.

What grade would you give him?

6, slightly above average. Dak has a lot of things I like about him. I did like the almost comeback. He's proven he can win a wildcard game. It just really bothers me, when a defensive coordinator can see your quarterback as a weakness and come up with a gameplan to take advantage of your quarterback being the weakness. Romo had his warts too, and those were the ill time interceptions that could lose you the game. But you can't really gameplan based on that, but you can gameplan thinking that the quarterback isn't going to punish you in the deep game, and take away the run. The Rams said we are going to let Dak beat us. Also the heroics, the almost comeback, is partially only possible because the Rams did the same mistake we often do. It has cost us games in the past and it almost cost the Rams. That is they started to play to keep from losing versus playing to win. I mean, I know you yourself must've witness plenty of other quarterbacks comeback and win games on us in the past when we did this.

 

[Philmonroe]

6, slightly above average. Dak has a lot of things I like about him. I did like the almost comeback. He's proven he can win a wildcard game. It just really bothers me, when a defensive coordinator can see your quarterback as a weakness and come up with a gameplan to take advantage of your quarterback being the weakness. Romo had his warts too, and those were the ill time interceptions that could lose you the game. But you can't really gameplan based on that, but you can gameplan thinking that the quarterback isn't going to punish you in the deep game, and take away the run. The Rams said we are going to let Dak beat us. Also the heroics, the almost comeback, is partially only possible because the Rams did the same mistake we often do. It has cost us games in the past and it almost cost the Rams. That is they started to play to keep from losing versus playing to win. I mean, I know you yourself must've witness plenty of other quarterbacks comeback and win games on us in the past when we did this.

This is why I question the super pro Dak crew. How many top level qbs you think the D coordinator going to game plan where they basically dare that qb to beat them? If people can't see that's how teams play us I don't know what games folks really watching. Forget anything else when the people you play are picking on you like you're the class weakling daring you to do something they don't have fear that you can do it. Nobody would design a game plan that lets Steph Curry shoot wide open 3's but with Dak they basically on some flip it let him beat us.

To his credit he did in the Eagles game and the NY game butnhe needs more of these games with less missing routine passes for him to stop being so polarizing.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Really, you blaming foles for that one? Bruised ribs maybe, but that should've been caught.

Yes, I blame Foles for that. It was a high throw to a receiver who was hurt. I love how you gloss over this because it is Foles but Dak throwing a similar pass equals to he is not accurate. The Eagles season was ended because of Nick Foles.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

The defense was doing nothing and their defense was stopping Zeke. Unless you expect to suddenly pass on every down and that would obviously not work. Dak made the throws he usually makes and he made more throws than that. Not another element of the team was performing to par. He was 20 to 30 percent better than normal on a day when the rest of the team was 70 to 90 percent off of their usual performance.

But as been stated before, Zeke while not totally lacking blame, was unable to be productive because of Dak. That is the Rams cornerbacks were disrespecting Dak and giving our receivers a lot of cushion, because they Rams game plan was to let Dak beat them and to stop Zeke. It's the whole playing only 2/3 of the field thing again. Another Quarterback, would've made them pay and thrown a deep ball for a huge gain. And I guess Dak actually did attempt that because there were quite a few badly thrown balls to Gallup for one, but he was too inaccurate to make the connection. This whole 2/3 of the field thing, I really thought we were going to have a much worse season than we did. If Dak can't fix this, It'll be a problem again next year.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Yes, I blame Foles for that. It was a high throw to a receiver who was hurt. I love how you gloss over this because it is Foles but Dak throwing a similar pass equals to he is not accurate. The Eagles season was ended because of Nick Foles.

Similar passes? that went right through his hands. I wish Dak threw passes like that. It's the playoffs, you expect your guy to make that catch, hurt or not. I haven't watched the film on that play, so I don't know if any of the other receivers were open or in better position either. But lets be clear, if Dak would've thrown that ball, I would've blamed the receiver.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

yeah I can respect that. The key is don't pay Dak too early. He has to earn his payday. If next season is disastrous, following the pattern of the cowboys having a good season and then a horrid one, then it would be a mistake to pay him before you have to. The 2020 draft, if we do bad enough, would be a good place to move on from. That is how a well run organization would do it, but Jerry is a homer and overly loyal to his players, and he just might pay Dak big money before the season even starts.

Exactly. I've been saying for a long time that I don't know how to properly gauge Dak because of the coaches. I think that he's a good QB, and I think he's got a lot of skills that can make him successful. I just think that the coaches don't use him properly. I don't think that he runs nearly as much as he should. Maybe it's his decision, or maybe it's the coaches. I don't know. What I do know is that he's most effective when he starts scrambling. Plus, it opens things up for Zeke and Cooper because defences have to be worried about him scrambling too. I know that his contract is set to expire next year, but I'd be inclined to franchise tag him for a year if we're really still on the fence.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

yeah I can respect that. The key is don't pay Dak too early. He has to earn his payday. If next season is disastrous, following the pattern of the cowboys having a good season and then a horrid one, then it would be a mistake to pay him before you have to. The 2020 draft, if we do bad enough, would be a good place to move on from. That is how a well run organization would do it, but Jerry is a homer and overly loyal to his players, and he just might pay Dak big money before the season even starts.

Additionally, the QBs that I've got in mind include Tua, Lawrence, and Herbert that should be draftable within the next few years.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Anyway, I guess what it boils down to is: I doubt Jerrah is going to go after Foles. I have seen things I like about Dak, and the almost comeback is nice, because one day he should make a comeback when it matters. I just think he has a lot of things to work on in the off season. He needs to work on his footwork which is horrid. He needs to learn to audible. He should work on his release time. These things will help. I don't know how much he can work on accuracy besides the footwork. McNabb was an inaccurate QB that was good at the deep game, so I am hoping that Dak can do something to be more like McNabb there.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Exactly. I've been saying for a long time that I don't know how to properly gauge Dak because of the coaches. I think that he's a good QB, and I think he's got a lot of skills that can make him successful. I just think that the coaches don't use him properly. I don't think that he runs nearly as much as he should. Maybe it's his decision, or maybe it's the coaches. I don't know. What I do know is that he's most effective when he starts scrambling. Plus, it opens things up for Zeke and Cooper because defences have to be worried about him scrambling too. I know that his contract is set to expire next year, but I'd be inclined to franchise tag him for a year if we're really still on the fence.

Good points. I don't want Dak to run too much, personally, because I get worried about my quarterback getting injured. I was impressed with Dak when he started doing in 2016 what took romo some time to learn, and that is to run but before you get to the line of scrimmage throw the ball. Usually someone is open by that point and in most cases you gain more yards than if you run the ball. That is something Dak doesn't do as often as he used to. Well in 2016 I think he had better pocket awareness than he does now, or I seem to remember him having some Jedi Romo qualities back then, but this season I've seen him run forward straight into the the defender for the sack.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Good points. I don't want Dak to run too much, personally, because I get worried about my quarterback getting injured. I was impressed with Dak when he started doing in 2016 what took romo some time to learn, and that is to run but before you get to the line of scrimmage throw the ball. Usually someone is open by that point and in most cases you gain more yards than if you run the ball. That is something Dak doesn't do as often as he used to. Well in 2016 I think he had better pocket awareness than he does now, or I seem to remember him having some Jedi Romo qualities back then, but this season I've seen him run forward straight into the the defender for the sack.

Well, to me, I don't know if it's necessarily a loss of pocket awareness or the way that he's being coached. I think he was a bit more instinctive in 2016. Since he's been engrained in the Linehan system, he's not as instinctive. I think if he had a coach that allowed him to be more instinctive, then he'd be a much better QB. I understand the concern about getting him hurt, but he's about 240 lbs. He's not exactly small, and he can probably dish out a few hits too with his running. I'm not saying do it all the time. Just enough to get the defences afraid of him taking off.

 

[dallasdave]

Additionally, the QBs that I've got in mind include Tua, Lawrence, and Herbert that should be draftable within the next few years.

The draft might be a place to look

 

[dallasdave]

E-Girls

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Well, to me, I don't know if it's necessarily a loss of pocket awareness or the way that he's being coached. I think he was a bit more instinctive in 2016. Since he's been engrained in the Linehan system, he's not as instinctive. I think if he had a coach that allowed him to be more instinctive, then he'd be a much better QB. I understand the concern about getting him hurt, but he's about 240 lbs. He's not exactly small, and he can probably dish out a few hits too with his running. I'm not saying do it all the time. Just enough to get the defences afraid of him taking off.

All good points. And yes, Dak is best when he plays on instincts. The only thing is: Just like Dak being back is almost guaranteed, from the sounds of it so is Garrett and Linehan. So the most we can probably hope for is a real quarterback coach.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

All good points. And yes, Dak is best when he plays on instincts. The only thing is: Just like Dak being back is almost guaranteed, from the sounds of it so is Garrett and Linehan. So the most we can probably hope for is a real quarterback coach.

Agreed, though I hope that Dak talks to Romo during the offseason. I think the advice that Romo will give him is to just trust his own instincts. Dak has to realise that Linehan and Garrett aren't helping him much. Romo pretty much had to rely on his instincts to succeed here, and Dak will have to as well. Dak just needs to trust what he knows. He'll make mistakes, but I think he'll learn from them. That's how he gets experience. That's how I think he'll move into a different caliber of QB, even without any help from Dumb and Dumber.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Oh, no doubt. He came to play last year in the playoffs. I try to give credit where it's due, and he should get the credit along with the rest of the Eagles for it. I'll even give him credit for saving the Eagles' season this year. However, in the grand scheme of his career, I don't think that he has earned the level of elite that he gets. Even if he was, his style of play doesn't fit here.

Assuming that he forgave Jerry's comments when Jerry dismissed him in 2016, Jerry would have to finally get rid of his boy Garrett and Linehan, and hire someone from Reid's, Peterson's, or Reich's systems that knows Foles to coach here. It would take an absolute miracle for that to happen, and then Foles would have to not suck for 3 quarters in a road playoffs game. At least Dak managed to score after the 1st Quarter.

I agree on all your points

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Because the Cornerbacks wouldn't give the receivers 10 yard cushions and only play the short field? That was the main thing I was afraid of before this season even started. In 2016 and 2017 I was was sold on Dak. It is some games and hearing some analysis about Dak in 2017 that made me become concerned about him. He does have a lot going for him. That drive in the 4th quarter would've made me accept this Clutch label his supporters been trying to put on him, well if it had been successful it is. Since it wasn't a successful comeback, I have to remember who put us in that hole in the first place by scoring only 15 points until the last 6 mins of the game. Then listening to the ticket on monday they talked about how much of a cushion the rams CBs were giving our receivers and that just confirmed my fears coming into the season. The thing is, I think this Cowboys team is very talented. I also think Dak has a lot of things going for him. But if receivers only play 2/3 of the field, well that is just too much of a disadvantage to have to overcome week in and week out. That is something Dak and the coaches really need to figure out and fix.

That's nonsense. Teams don't respect the pass cause we aren't creative. Its easy to sack the box when you know it's a run. Dak has burned defenses problem is Linehan goes away from it. Has nothing to do with Dak throwing the ball because he can and has done it.

Example, against the Eagles Dak threw for 455 yards but half of that came in the 4th quarter and 1 drive in overtime. Why is that? Because the eagles knew we were running the same routes and was sitting down on them. As soon as Cooper and Dak changed the route he, Dak and Cooper, burned them. It's a play calling issue not a QB issue