Fisher tweet on Kafka - what is this even supposed to mean?

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I'll join those defending Helman's take... the reasons for KC offense being exceptional have a whole lot to do with their prodigy QB and their legendary head coach... the QB coach there really isn't any more compelling than Kellen Moore.
 

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It’s really not. Have you looked the resumes? They are very close to the same. Like Moore, Kafka was briefly a pro QB, and didn’t have any more playing time or success than Moore, and he has one year as an NFL QB coach just like Moore. The only differences are Moore was a much more successful college player than Kafka, and Kafka has one year as a “quality control coach”.

The year Moore was on IR, he reportedly was engaged in tasks such a prepping film for the coordinators and position coaches. Sounds a lot like what Quality Control Coaches do.
 

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A resume sets out past positions and responsibilities, and the reality is Moore and Kafka have very similar resume’s. If you want to talk about the QBs the two coached, do you really think He is the primary reason for Mahome’s success and Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes himself don’t have a lot have a lot to do with it? Alex Smith had a career year with Andy Reid and his system in 2017 and Kafka was not the QB coach at that time, and clearly Mahomes is more talented than Prescott.

You, me.... mind melding.

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The year Moore was on IR, he reportedly was engaged in tasks such a prepping film for the coordinators and position coaches. Sounds a lot like what Quality Control Coaches do.

That’s a good point. He may have essentially been the QC coach, but didn’t have the title because he hadn’t retired as a player.
 

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Neither should be in the running for the OC position. I really hope Cowboys reported interest with either leading the offense is just a bad rumor.
 

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I'll join those defending Helman's take... the reasons for KC offense being exceptional have a whole lot to do with their prodigy QB and their legendary head coach... the QB coach here really isn't any more compelling than Kellen Moore.

The one thing Kafka does have on Moore is that he's learning from a truly elite offensive mind. But, to be fair, he likely needs a few more years to get real consideration as a coordinator.

That said, he's QB coach on a team where the head coach is known for his work with QBs and the head coach calls the plays. He's got the same problem as Bienemy - you don't really know if its his work or the walrus' skills driving the success.
 

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The one thing Kafka does have on Moore is that he's learning from a truly elite offensive mind. But, to be fair, he likely needs a few more years to get real consideration as a coordinator.

That said, he's QB coach on a team where the head coach is known for his work with QBs and the head coach calls the plays. He's got the same problem as Bienemy - you don't really know if its his work or the walrus' skills driving the success.

That’s a fair point - he is learning under a much better offensive mind than either Garrett or Linehan, and one that adapts over time better than those guys. But you are also right that having one year as a QB coach isn’t enough to be considered for an OC position.
 

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There's plenty of concern at this time as to what to think or do about changing the Cowboys fortunes for the better. What's in store for the Dallas C'boys' franchise to resolve their apparent mediocrity situation is obviously up for grabs. I honestly don't place much confidence at this time in the idea that it's JG who will prove to be the HC to resolve their plight. He lacks the technical and up-to-date knowledge needed to be a factor in correcting this team's ongoing offensive deficiencies.

Like many of us, I've waited patiently, along with those of us who have hoped for things to change in something resembling a timely manner. That simply hasn't taken place, nor is it likely to do so anytime soon. Without a significant change in leadership, we're likely to remain a team that is steeped in the sorely less-than-ideal ways of the past. This is a league that now demands for teams to remain current in their offensive schemes. Ours isn't that.

Another OC with JG carefully guiding his play calling merely ensures more of the same. Barring a miraculous change of philosophy from our current HC, expect changes that are likely to be all too reminiscent of our recent past. Let's hope for more, shall we? Otherwise, we might do well to be ready for more of the same falling short of the needed preparedness for success. A change of HC leadership would be apparently be a blessing at this time.
 
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A resume sets out past positions and responsibilities, and the reality is Moore and Kafka have very similar resume’s. If you want to talk about the QBs the two coached, do you really think He is the primary reason for Mahome’s success and Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes himself don’t have a lot have a lot to do with it? Alex Smith had a career year with Andy Reid and his system in 2017 and Kafka was not the QB coach at that time, and clearly Mahomes is more talented than Prescott.

A resume is not a chronological timeline or a book report of job titles and responsibilities. It is about personal and organizational success. You are fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of a resume. Any hiring manager will tell you that it is not about job titles and start/end dates. It’s about measurable, objective outcomes.

I get what Helman is trying to say. Both are first-year QB coaches in their early 30s who happen to be former NFL QBs. Okay, fine. But guess what, LITERALLY NO ONE IN THE NFL CARES ABOUT THAT. Two of those three things aren’t relevant to the job and the age portion wouldn’t be included in this hypothetical resume in the first place. It’s a stupid argument to try to make.
 

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But, to be fair, he likely needs a few more years to get real consideration as a coordinator.

I'll buy that.

If you sit in the QB coach chair for a few years for a successful offense, it's only reasonable that you probably picked up some good ideas and reasoning.


I'll be fine with Lombardi.

He has that going for him already, and too, has been an OC.
 

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A resume is not a chronological timeline or a book report of job titles and responsibilities. It is about personal and organizational success. You are fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of a resume. Any hiring manager will tell you that it is not about job titles and start/end dates. It’s about measurable, objective outcomes.

I get what Helman is trying to say. Both are first-year QB coaches in their early 30s who happen to be former NFL QBs. Okay, fine. But guess what, LITERALLY NO ONE IN THE NFL CARES ABOUT THAT. Two of those three things aren’t relevant to the job and the age portion wouldn’t be included in this hypothetical resume in the first place. It’s a stupid argument to try to make.

The guy has the same amount of experience as Moore, and he stepped into an ideal situation with a coach and system that resulted in the previous QB having a career year at 33 years old, and with a QB that was the 10th overall pick in the draft 2 years ago. It’s not as if he is the key figure in why KC is having success, or as if he had an identical situation as Moore.

Yes, 2 of the 3 things you mentioned aren’t particularly relevant to the job, but years of experience is, and one year of experience as a QB is not nearly enough to qualify either Moore or Kafka for an OC position. Both are inexperienced and need time to build on what is now a very limited resume.
 

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ive seen more gripes moans and groans about the next Oc without any word from the cowboys. I see some of you religiously say te media fisher espn sas are all tools who know nothing about the cowboys. but eat up every word they post that will make you catch feelings about. If you fall into this category you are just as ridiculous as them.

Im intrigued by Nuss as OC. He has a history of doing what this team is built for. And if reports are right and Linehan has less say so at the end of the yr, that is when the offense started to open up and the TEs started to be involved.

Wouldnt be my preferred choice but i wouldnt hate it
 

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I believe it was mark sanchez who helped out Dak a lot during 2016. Make him the qb coach.
 

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The guy has the same amount of experience as Moore, and he stepped into an ideal situation with a coach and system that resulted in the previous QB having a career year at 33 years old, and with a QB that was the 10th overall pick in the draft 2 years ago. It’s not as if he is the key figure in why KC is having success, or as if he had an identical situation as Moore.

Yes, 2 of the 3 things you mentioned aren’t particularly relevant to the job, but years of experience is, and one year of experience as a QB is not nearly enough to qualify either Moore or Kafka for an OC position. Both are inexperienced and need time to build on what is now a very limited resume.

I don’t disagree with you there. I’m mostly reacting to Helman’s mischaracterization of what NFL teams find valuable (the stuff they look for in a “resume”) as part of his daily routine to hype up any and everyone in the Cowboys organization.

Right now, there’s a gold rush for offensive coaches who are familiar with a particular scheme or have had success with particular organizations that they want to emulate. THAT’S what teams are looking for in a resume, not how long someone has been coaching a certain position.

Whether it’s fair or not, Mike Kafka’s value is in the success he has had as QB coach for the Chiefs and the fact that he has two years of first-hand experience in how that offense is run. Kellen Moore does not have that. They are two completely different resumes.
 
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That’s a good point. He may have essentially been the QC coach, but didn’t have the title because he hadn’t retired as a player.

Very likely he served in a similar role when we cut him and assigned him to the PS. He didn't just join the staff out of nowhere
 

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I'll buy that.

If you sit in the QB coach chair for a few years for a successful offense, it's only reasonable that you probably picked up some good ideas and reasoning.


I'll be fine with Lombardi.

He has that going for him already, and too, has been an OC.

Its been a single year
 
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