Kitna to be QB coach, Moore leading candidate for OC

[Sydla]

I have a hard time buying this story of Kellen Moore becoming an OC....I SMELL A RAT. With vastly better options out there,especially now that the chiefs and Saints lost, I think we will at least continue our due diligence.

I think this is an assumption we should probably not make. Coaches aren't stupid. It's possible Jerry put out some feelers and the response is that not many high level assistants would want this OC job. Think about it......... you have a situation where the HC doesn't hire the assistants, the owner does and you have a head coach that is facing mounting pressure to win in the postseason after 8 years of basically nothing.

This could be a one year gig if the team scuffles next year. How many assistants would sign on for that situation?

So I wouldn't assume there are quality OC options out there. Maybe, maybe not.

 

[blueblood70]

Well shoot, let's shut the board down until May. Because apparently until everything is in place, we shouldn't have sports/Cowboys discussions.

So let's shut the board down, let them hire their staff, hit FA and then have the draft and then, and only then, we can then talk about the team.

LOL.

Negativity and 100% I know we suck and all moves are bad are not the way fans like to read about their team from other fans, its bad enough to go to bar and sit next to opponents fans and hear the bs but to come to a space where we are all supposed to be fans to hear 100% negativity is another thing.. know it alls who already predict impending doom is out of hand here..

for sure we can debate moves and play and what not but going overboard is another..

 

[Sydla]

Negativity and 100% I know we suck and all moves are bad are not the way fans like to read about their team from other fans, its bad enough to go to bar and sit next to opponents fans and hear the bs but to come to a space where we are all supposed to be fans to hear 100% negativity is another thing.. know it alls who already predict impending doom is out of hand here..

for sure we can debate moves and play and what not but going overboard is another..

Except I never said we suck. I've said we are largely a middling franchise at this point and have been for the better part of two decades.

And I've given praise where it's deserved.......... such as our LB play over the full season, Looney's surprisingly solid play filling in for Frederick, Gallup's play as a rookie, especially late, Gregory's play, etc. However, impending doom is simply a product of what we've seen for 20 years. Why in the world would any fan expect things to be different when nothing really changes?

I will never be a fan that just puts on the goggles after another disappointing season and claim that next year is definitely gonna be better when nothing substantial changes. I don't put much value in "luck", but that seems to be the core philosophy for some fans - maybe we will get lucky and next year will be really different!

 

[DCowboyz]

Are you guys even surprised? The Cowboys really love to stick around with their own loser players and coaches.

 

[blueblood70]

Except I never said we suck. I've said we are largely a middling franchise at this point and have been for the better part of two decades.

And I've given praise where it's deserved.......... such as our LB play over the full season, Looney's surprisingly solid play filling in for Frederick, Gallup's play as a rookie, especially late, Gregory's play, etc. However, impending doom is simply a product of what we've seen for 20 years. Why in the world would any fan expect things to be different when nothing really changes?

I will never be a fan that just puts on the goggles after another disappointing season and claim that next year is definitely gonna be better when nothing substantial changes. I don't put much value in "luck", but that seems to be the core philosophy for some fans - maybe we will get lucky and next year will be really different!

thats my point it only disappointing form Ones POV take a lot of other teams and their fans would only hope to have finished where we did, was it complete, no, was it disappointing the way we finished it, yes but it was NOT a dis[pointing season.. we have 3rd yr QB drafted in the 4th round still learning an di saw some flashes late this season , and I saw a defense getting better but not quite there yet, I see team that only can be judged from 2016 to now and in that bubble things are improving..

Im not happy we once again didnt get to the NFCCG but that doesnt make the entire season failure, we grew more after the 3-5 start then we did in 2016 those positives you mentions have been here one season other 3seasons, judging them by past failures is not fair..thats all im saying and this is not just directed at you its the entire climate here the last 2 yrs, its awful..it doesnt feel like a Cowboys fan site I feel like I stumbled into an Eagles fan site talking about the Cowboys..

 

[Rayman70]

jerry wants to win but wants to reinvent the game and get all the credit. Which is why we haven't won since the 90's.

 

[DenCWBY]

Yes, yes it is.

And that's why nothing truly changes.

This. Jerry cannot hire a "football mind" of higher IQ or strong personality than his current FO. If he did, the strong personality may go rogue and win a championship which could also threaten Jerry's "face of the franchise" label.

 

[Philmonroe]

thats my point it only disappointing form Ones POV take a lot of other teams and their fans would only hope to have finished where we did, was it complete, no, was it disappointing the way we finished it, yes but it was NOT a dis[pointing season.. we have 3rd yr QB drafted in the 4th round still learning an di saw some flashes late this season , and I saw a defense getting better but not quite there yet, I see team that only can be judged from 2016 to now and in that bubble things are improving..

Im not happy we once again didnt get to the NFCCG but that doesnt make the entire season failure, we grew more after the 3-5 start then we did in 2016 those positives you mentions have been here one season other 3seasons, judging them by past failures is not fair..thats all im saying and this is not just directed at you its the entire climate here the last 2 yrs, its awful..it doesnt feel like a Cowboys fan site I feel like I stumbled into an Eagles fan site talking about the Cowboys..

Nah your problem is you're projecting your sunshine pumping ways unto others. You need to stop that and just worry about your fandom. I disagree with your style of fandom but if that's how you want to be a fan so be it. We all need to let others be fans how they want to instead of trying to mold them to our standards of what a real fan should be.

 

[Carter]

Good idea making a QB that threw almost the same number of INTS as TDs the QB Coach and promote a guy with 0 Coaching experience to OC who worked 1 yr as QB Coach that led to Dak regressing.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

History means something, it can be a valuable tool for determining what to do next. But I try to treat each year as full of possibilities, if there's at least some basis for that.

In this case we have a two time NFL rushing champion, Pro Bowlers at several positions, a young team, first year players who played better than expected and players like J. Smith that have turned out like we hoped. A durable quarterback that can run well when necessary. Won the division, won a playoff game, something that has been a rarity here for quite a while.

At least some coaching changes were made, how many of us here called for, or wanted, Linehan's firing? Well we got what we wanted. (Of course as they say, be careful what you wish for).

But then we've seen this team "perk up" and do well, only to fall flat on its face the next year, can't ignore history totally.

What I'm saying is there's hope for next year. And before anybody starts with the "oh great, the old 'wait until next year'" comments, as I said, I take each year as it comes.

I choose to be hopeful...

 

[blueblood70]

Nah your problem is you're projecting your sunshine pumping ways unto others. You need to stop that and just worry about your fandom. I disagree with your style of fandom but if that's how you want to be a fan so be it. We all need to let others be fans how they want to instead of trying to mold them to our standards of what a real fan should be.

dude if you knew me and said this to my friends and family they would spit out there lung laughing..im not full of sunshine, im realist but dont promote negativity and claim to know more then a professionals teams staffs on what were right and wrong moves UNTIL AFTER some datas and proof is laid out. Im not a positive person by nature but I also not know it all who passes judgment on every thing in front of me unless I see proof..period end of story..90% of the posts after the end of last season up to mid season this year on all the wrong moves the cowboys made were WRONG... it was waste of effort and energy spent prejudging vs having a little faith and hope..

Like ive said million times ive been wanting JG gone since 2015 but if hes here day one im not going to go in flames about it , Football offseason is long, season is short and im not spending all that time waiting for game 1 being lewis black.. I will complain about bad plays, bad games and stuff after its happened for sure, but next week back cheering..

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Good idea making a QB that threw almost the same number of INTS as TDs the QB Coach and promote a guy with 0 Coaching experience to OC who worked 1 yr as QB Coach that led to Dak regressing.

True, but as far as Kitna goes, remember the old saying "those that can, do. those that can't, teach". Kitna maybe didn't have the physical tools to do what needed to be done, though he saw what was needed.

As far as Moore goes, maybe his ideas were squashed by Linehan, would have worked he wasn't allowed to try.

As with anybody, I'll give them both a chance for at least a year, maybe 2 if I see some improvement...

 

[DenCWBY]

I think this is an assumption we should probably not make. Coaches aren't stupid. It's possible Jerry put out some feelers and the response is that not many high level assistants would want this OC job. Think about it......... you have a situation where the HC doesn't hire the assistants, the owner does and you have a head coach that is facing mounting pressure to win in the postseason after 8 years of basically nothing.

This could be a one year gig if the team scuffles next year. How many assistants would sign on for that situation?

So I wouldn't assume there are quality OC options out there. Maybe, maybe not.

This.

 

[Carter]

True, but as far as Kitna goes, remember the old saying "those that can, do. those that can't, teach". Kitna maybe didn't have the physical tools to do what needed to be done, though he saw what was needed.

As far as Moore goes, maybe his ideas were squashed by Linehan, would have worked he wasn't allowed to try.

As with anybody, I'll give them both a chance for at least a year, maybe 2 if I see some improvement...

i mean we have a HC learning on the Job for 10 years why not do it with them too. Weve been to so many Championship Games recently we can allow the Fanbase another 10 years of Progress.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

i mean we have a HC learning on the Job for 10 years why not do it with them too. Weve been to so many Championship Games recently we can allow the Fanbase another 10 years of Progress.

How many coaches did the Eagles run through in the 57 years before their SB win? Eventually they got Pederson and a SB win came about.

Not saying I want to wait another 34 years to find "the" coach, just that at least it's a change, we've had several years with Linehan as OC and Garrett not calling plays, and it's not worked very well. No way to tell if the new combo will work, but I'm not going to automatically assume it won't....

 

[Philmonroe]

dude if you knew me and said this to my friends and family they would spit out there lung laughing..im not full of sunshine, im realist but dont promote negativity and claim to know more then a professionals teams staffs on what were right and wrong moves UNTIL AFTER some datas and proof is laid out. Im not a positive person by nature but I also not know it all who passes judgment on every thing in front of me unless I see proof..period end of story..90% of the posts after the end of last season up to mid season this year on all the wrong moves the cowboys made were WRONG... it was waste of effort and energy spent prejudging vs having a little faith and hope..

Like ive said million times ive been wanting JG gone since 2015 but if hes here day one im not going to go in flames about it , Football offseason is long, season is short and im not spending all that time waiting for game 1 being lewis black.. I will complain about bad plays, bad games and stuff after its happened for sure, but next week back cheering..

Thats the thing I don't know you so I can only go by what I see here so what your friends say is irrelevant. Maybe they don't know your online as a happy fan because going by your post that's what I got. My point still stands you want people to cheer like you do and that's not realistic. Some are you, some complain a lot, some say nothing and go with the flow. Point being it's all types of way to be a fan. If you don't agree that's cool too but expecting folks to do it like you just isn't realistic is all I'm saying.

 

[JW82]

Shame on all of us who thought we might get a 2019 offense next year. Still Garrett’s tired offense and Back to 2012 and Garrets tired play calling. Doesn’t matter who the OC is. AND for those thinking this is a prove it year for Jason and Jerry will wait until the season is over to discuss his future..you’re dreaming. He’ll get extended before the year starts. Jerry=no hope

 

[Fletch]

Honestly believe it’s worth a shot. Moore has a college pedigree-mind. Can’t be any worse than Linehan. Flame away!

Talk to me next year when we’re in the SB as participants!

#bookit
#imstillstandin

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

How many coaches did the Eagles run through in the 57 years before their SB win? Eventually they got Pederson and a SB win came about.

Not saying I want to wait another 34 years to find "the" coach, just that at least it's a change, we've had several years with Linehan as OC and Garrett not calling plays, and it's not worked very well. No way to tell if the new combo will work, but I'm not going to automatically assume it won't....

We've already seen the screenplay of Jason Garrett calling the plays... That's why Linehan was brought in and Garrett relinquished the headset... I have to admit (though Linehan's calling sucked) I believe Linehan's play calling is twofold better than Jason Garrett's play calling. I still have nightmares from Jason Garrett's play calling...

 

[HellCrowe]

These are all issues that are out of the scope of what I was referring to. You are right that’s it’s hard to know how well he performed as QB coach - does anyone really know how to judge that - and we don’t know his leadership skills, but to dismiss him as a blind disciple of Linehan isn’t a reasonable way to evaluate. In the end, the toughest thing about evaluating Moore is his lack of history as a coach. It’s hard to judge hi coaching without opportunity to see it in action

I pointed out to someone else about how Parcells and Belicheck has a coaching tree. While the coordinators can definitely evolve, coaching styles, tendencies, plays are very telling. What I also said was if this is going to be the hiring that The Dak regime lives or dies from... so be it.

Hey if you want to be positive to just be positive, you go right on and do that. The season and years have been long since we’ve won and if your mindset is it’s been fun, I commend you.

It does cause an uneasiness because Kellen is a big unknown. He does have the backing of the FO and has been said that he is Smart so that is something but like I mentioned to you, we do over value our personnel and that could also mean our downfall. With how much talent we have, I find myself scouring the internet to see who the hell Kellen is with not much avail. That’s who could possibly be our OC