What Happened to Cowboys Fans?

Streetwise said:
No, I wouldn't suggest Jones is selfish or foolish. Or whatever adjectives you have in your playbook. He's continued to bring in people to help. He's continued to make decisions by committee and he's given the fans and players one of the greatest places for football. Including high school players. How much did you contribute to AT&T stadium or the Star facility?
That's what I thought.
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Foolish is a pretty apt term for an owner that has operated pretty much the same way he has for two decades and expects different results. You can claim he brings in people to "help" but when he's the one who makes all the calls, it doesn't really matter who or how many he brings in to help.

People should learn to separate his business acumen and his football acumen. There is no question that he's done a fantastic job in building the Cowboys into the dominant sports franchise financially. He's got a knack for marketing and promotion and the ability to turn even middling on the field results into a pay day off of it. What he's built in terms of a stadium and practice facility is impressive. But those are off the field accomplishments.

But in terms of football acumen, he's largely been a dud. Over two decades ago, he made the decision to forge a different path than one that had him working in tandem with Jimmy Johnson. Jerry assumed the mantle of team builder and since that time, the franchise has largely underperformed to historical norms.

The biggest issue facing this team isn't the QB or the coach or the defense. It's the owner/GM, who for more than two decades has led a franchise that fits in more with the Bengals and Commanders of the NFL than the Steelers or Patriots. His inability to see his own failings as GM has been the biggest anchor on the on the field performance of this franchise.
 
Sydla said:
Foolish is a pretty apt term for an owner that has operated pretty much the same way he has for two decades and expects different results. You can claim he brings in people to "help" but when he's the one who makes all the calls, it doesn't really matter who or how many he brings in to help.

People should learn to separate his business acumen and his football acumen. There is no question that he's done a fantastic job in building the Cowboys into the dominant sports franchise financially. He's got a knack for marketing and promotion and the ability to turn even middling on the field results into a pay day off of it. What he's built in terms of a stadium and practice facility is impressive. But those are off the field accomplishments.

But in terms of football acumen, he's largely been a dud. Over two decades ago, he made the decision to forge a different path than one that had him working in tandem with Jimmy Johnson. Jerry assumed the mantle of team builder and since that time, the franchise has largely underperformed to historical norms.

The biggest issue facing this team isn't the QB or the coach or the defense. It's the owner/GM, who for more than two decades has led a franchise that fits in more with the Bengals and Commanders of the NFL than the Steelers or Patriots. His inability to see his own failings as GM has been the biggest anchor on the on the field performance of this franchise.
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I stopped at "makes all the calls." I get most dislike Jones, but that's not accurate.

While I'm not a huge or even an average Jones fan, the general nonsense spewed here is just that. He's let go of a lot of things he headed which includes Stephen Jones and McClay.
The idea that he makes ALL THE CALLS isn't correct. It's much more by committee. I'm not living in the past. Jimmy and the 90's, Romo, Witten, Dez, Ware etc... are over. I'm in the now. If Elliott doesn't get a dumb suspension, we're 3 time division champs with 3 playoff games in a row. Pretty encouraging.
I'm also fairly certain Jones is well aware of his failings as he's made plenty of changes over the years.
 
Streetwise said:
I stopped at "makes all the calls." I get most dislike Jones, but that's not accurate.

While I'm not a huge or even an average Jones fan, the general nonsense spewed here is just that. He's let go of a lot of things he headed which includes Stephen Jones and McClay.
The idea that he makes ALL THE CALLS isn't correct. It's much more by committee. I'm not living in the past. Jimmy and the 90's, Romo, Witten, Dez, Ware etc... are over. I'm in the now. If Elliott doesn't get a dumb suspension, we're 3 time division champs with 3 playoff games in a row. Pretty encouraging.
I'm also fairly certain Jones is well aware of his failings as he's made plenty of changes over the years.
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It's actually pretty accurate. That became obvious again when last week it became clear that Jerry was making the call on the OC. I never said he doesn't take or use input, but he's the one who makes the final call. What you see as "changes" is really just tinkering. The core structure of the organization is the same. McClay? He's in his job because Jerry wanted someone to filter the information coming from the coaches and scouts so Jerry could make a decision with regards to player personnel. But Jerry, in the end, makes the call. It's why he sits prominently in the draft room, he's the one making calls on trades, etc. You said "much more" by committee but even in that, there is still one voice from that committee that makes the call (well two voices if you include Stephen). Oh and last week Stephen seemed to reiterate the stance his father takes - that the Cowboys don't need a real GM as long the Jones' are running it.

No organization operates like this where the owner (and his son) are also the GM and make all the decisions from the draft, to the FA, to the assistant coaches. I mean we don't even let our HC, that the Jones boys apparently love, pick his own coaching staff.

PS - This idea that the Cowboys were an Elliott suspension away from a 3 time division champ is bogus. First of all, the Eagles went 13-3 that year and the only reason they weren't 14-2 was because they laid down that last game against us because they had the #1 seed wrapped up. Two, the Cowboys, before Elliott got suspended were only 5-3, so hardly ripping it up.
 
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cern said:
"old money" fans vs nouveau riche.
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I don't know how it is at the games now but according to erod, the crowd can get quite drunk and rowdy and I've heard from people about seeing fights in the parking lot and concessions areas.

Back in the 70's when I went to quite a few games and then had season tickets in the 80's. it was quite the "see and be seen" crowd and more of a social event. The women around our season seats were more interested in what the other women were wearing and talking while the game was going on. In fact, my wife became friends with two of them because she was just going to keep me company.

During the strike, all of them bailed on their tickets except one couple showed up for one game and I brought my bud with me. These guys in front of us were having a great time just seeing a game and one took his shirt off and had a blue star on his back and front and the woman tried to have security kick him out. We laughed our butts off.

It was pretty much while collar in our area to the point that when I did get excited and cut loose, I felt somewhat out of place at a freakin' football game. And one thing that always pissed me off was that all any team had to do to take the crowd out of it was score first. The crowd seemed to be more "you have to earn our cheers, it's not our job to fire you up" too many times.
 
cern said:
back in the good old days of landry and schramm, I thought the two most arrogant individuals in the universe were the aforementioned. but they produced victories which cures most ills. I sided with Staubach when he presented his side of why he wanted to call his own plays, saying he saw things on the field of play that landry couldn't standing on the sidelines. I became more of critical of landry and his flex defense after don Coryell and the st. louis cardinals figured it out and how to beat it. but landry's answer was always that if the players executed as they should, it was just fine. (it wasn't). the criticism's always been there. it's just that there are far more venues to express it in today's world.
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Excellent post. The "good ole days" weren't all good. To read many of the posts on CZ, you'd think we went to or won the Super Bowl every year during the Landry era. The reality is we played in 5 in a 9 year span, winning 2 and losing 3. Prior to 1970, we were 1-4 in the playoffs, including back to back years when we were the prohibitive favorite and were bounced in the opening game by Cleveland. There was no shortage of thought that a different coach was needed to get the team over the hump. Add to that the final 6 years which resulted in only 2 Wild Card playoff appearances, both 1 and done endeavors.

My post isn't to diminish Landry or say that he wasn't an outstanding coach because he was. But many of the posters on here, if they were of age in the late 80s, were probably amongst those that were saying the game had passed him by and time for him to go. IMHO, the Cowboys wouldn't have had the success they had in the 90s had Jones not bought the team, fired Landry and brought in Jimmy.
 
Sydla said:
What makes this board great is that we have a guy starting a thread here calling some Cowboys fans unintelligent while he's in another thread saying Jason Garrett is probably better than Sean Payton as a head coach.
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:lmao::starspin::lmao2::huh::facepalm::hammer:
 
GMO415 said:
Ignorant no.... arrogant...yes .
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Comes with the territory, my friend. Many Texans think they invented the game and take that "football is religion" to extremes. Because of that, many think they know more than they actually do.
 
ItzKelz said:
We use to be one of the most intelligent fan bases in the NFL. Now we hang off of every word of the media's click bait that is purposely targeting our uniformed response.
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Internet message boards and radio nonsense are not a good indication of what this fanbase actually is.

As for this place between a lot of the old guard leaving for there own board and the refugees from DC.com, the average intellect here has dropped significantly. You can tell by the insipid repetitive number of threads you have to go through to find worthwhile convos nowadays.
 
JustChip said:
Excellent post. The "good ole days" weren't all good. To read many of the posts on CZ, you'd think we went to or won the Super Bowl every year during the Landry era. The reality is we played in 5 in a 9 year span, winning 2 and losing 3. Prior to 1970, we were 1-4 in the playoffs, including back to back years when we were the prohibitive favorite and were bounced in the opening game by Cleveland. There was no shortage of thought that a different coach was needed to get the team over the hump. Add to that the final 6 years which resulted in only 2 Wild Card playoff appearances, both 1 and done endeavors.

My post isn't to diminish Landry or say that he wasn't an outstanding coach because he was. But many of the posters on here, if they were of age in the late 80s, were probably amongst those that were saying the game had passed him by and time for him to go. IMHO, the Cowboys wouldn't have had the success they had in the 90s had Jones not bought the team, fired Landry and brought in Jimmy.
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Landry was a great innovator but he stopped doing that in the 80's and Bill Walsh assumed that role. And while Landry, Brandt and Schramm had been a great triumvirate, that died out as well and they were no longer drafting as well. And Schramm's heavy handedness with the players also took it's toll. Schramm would not have done well with FA. He needed that indentured servant situation that prevailed back then.

And I agree that it was time for Landry to step aside, only didn't like the way that was handled. The key was Johnson, without him I think Booger sells the team just like Bright did. Losing 1M a month called for bold moves and brash Jimmy was just what they needed but don't you know ole Booger was losing his pucker because Johnson wanted to go winless to assure himself of pick #1. And if the team hadn't made some noise in the draft with that Walker trade and started the climb in 90, Johnson could have bailed and done a Saban or Petrino and headed back to college and the deep water and left Booger holding the bag.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Internet message boards and radio nonsense are not a good indication of what this fanbase actually is.

As for this place between a lot of the old guard leaving for there own board and the refugees from DC.com, the average intellect here has dropped significantly. You can tell by the insipid repetitive number of threads you have to go through to find worthwhile convos nowadays.
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As someone from the old DC board, I can tell you that from what I've seen, not many of the idiotic and repetitive threads are originated by the refugees of that forum.
There are a few, but we felt the same way about them over there.
 
Runwildboys said:
The negative tend to be the most outspoken, so when you get a few of them shouting mindless drivel, the mob mentality takes effect, and others who normally wouldn't have that point of view are swayed to light their torches and grab their pitchforks.
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Well a bit of negativity is needed when it comes to self evaluation. Save the positive for when you team is winning superbowls. :) Geez I remember back in the 90's when people expected to win a super bowl every year >.>
 
ItzKelz said:
I was talking to a young Cowboys fan last night at the bar. I mentioned being a fan through the rough times makes it all pay off when we win it all like when we went 1-15. He nearly passed out and questioned if I was telling him the truth. I thought he was going to die when I told him Troy, Emmitt and Irvin were on the team and Jimmy was the coach.
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Yup Millennials, alright. This co-worker of mines was talking one time, and mentioned that he had asked his girlfriend why the mavericks were wearing green uniforms for a game. Guess he didn't know what throw back uniforms were or the Mavs old colors.
 
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