Jerry is large and in charge

[northerncowboynation]

To the delusional cheerleaders who like to pretend Jerry is a passive figurehead and his chubby son and the great Will McClay actually run this team, tune into the 13:55 mark of this video and observe. Ignore the fact Stephen can't even answer a phone correctly.

Stephen works the phone like a good secretary. He can't say yes or no to these offers. He's not the decision maker.

"Umm...let me call you back. I have to ask Dad."

He presents the trade offers to his Daddy. The real boss. The head coach seems open to one of the trade proposals but gets immediately shut down.

Then Stephen mentioned he'd be willing to go down 3 spots for a pick.

Not happening, as the REAL decision maker in Dallas, Till. Death. Do. They. Part., has made his decision.

"Let's keep Connor McGovern."

And so it is done. (Shout out to Will McClay, who is strangely absent in this.)

Now this isn't news to anyone reasonable, I know. I'm talking to our less fortunate right now. Those loving in their alternate reality because the real world offends their fandom.

So, to those bros.... Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

…. and the point is? JJ is Springsteen

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

We do know that Stephen overruled the Manziel pick in 14, and the trade up in 2016 for Lynch. So, it's not like Jerry gets everything he wants 100% of the time.

How do we know this? I'm not saying it's not true but it just seems soooo implausible that I think it would require some pretty compelling evidence.

At the 14:50 mark of the video Risen posted Jerry says "Let's go with Connor McGovern." At that point Stephen expresses a clear preference to do the trade down with the Jets. "I'd go down at least 3 spots." The idea goes over like a lead balloon because Jerry has already made up his mind. Quickly realizing his error Stephen decides he had better roll over and invites the rest of the room to do the same: "Do we like Connor McGovern?" "We LOVE Conner McGovern!!" "OK, let's go Connor McGovern."

That's not consensus. That's prudence. Don't embarrass the boss on camera and DON'T PISS HIM OFF.

Hard to picture Stephen overruling Jerry on anything after witnessing that.

 

[silvrNblue]

That sequence pretty much showed what I thought was going on. Of course Jerry is still involved but he is allowing others to do their thing. He didn’t put his foot down and make the decision over other people objecting. He simply said let’s keep the guy we have a 2nd round grade on and everyone agreed. I felt that if others had pushed it, Jerry was willing to listen and could be persuaded.

That's exactly how I saw it go down also......

 

[Diehardblues]

How do we know this? I'm not saying it's not true but it just seems soooo implausible that I think it would require some pretty compelling evidence.

At the 14:50 mark of the video Risen posted Jerry says "Let's go with Connor McGovern." At that point Stephen expresses a clear preference to do the trade down with the Jets. "I'd go down at least 3 spots." The idea goes over like a lead balloon because Jerry has already made up his mind. Quickly realizing his error Stephen decides he had better roll over and invites the rest of the room to do the same: "Do we like Connor McGovern?" "We LOVE Conner McGovern!!" "OK, let's go Connor McGovern."

That's not consensus. That's prudence. Don't embarrass the boss on camera and DON'T PISS HIM OFF.

Hard to picture Stephen overruling Jerry on anything after witnessing that.

The Manziel deal was Fake News. Jerry never intended to draft him as he stated the morning on that Draft Day.

Jerry had just made some comments that off season about Johnny IMO because he wanted to act like he was interested in case the kid was a hit in the league knowing he would prob be there when we drafted. As usual Jerry and our front office are mouthing off about potential prospects and then have to explain later why they didn’t. The talk created a buzz and promotion for the Cowboys.

But Jerry specifically the morning of the draft denied they’d be looking for Romo’s heir apparent until Romo was done.

 

[Diehardblues]

Cool, I guess Jerry has been making some good decisions the last few years. Im glad he took Martin over Manziel.

But wait I thought Jerry only made crap decisions and our draft success has been based on a team effort from the front office? So which is it, has Jerry actually managed the cap responsibly and drafted well or do his responsibilities start and end with our failures?

It’s like Parcells said” you have to convince Jerry to go against his instincts”.

We’ve seen better decisions under Jerry when he’s had smarter influence around him like with Jimmy, Bill and now Jason and Will.

 

[eromeopolk]

To the delusional cheerleaders who like to pretend Jerry is a passive figurehead and his chubby son and the great Will McClay actually run this team, tune into the 13:55 mark of this video and observe. Ignore the fact Stephen can't even answer a phone correctly.

Stephen works the phone like a good secretary. He can't say yes or no to these offers. He's not the decision maker.

"Umm...let me call you back. I have to ask Dad."

He presents the trade offers to his Daddy. The real boss. The head coach seems open to one of the trade proposals but gets immediately shut down.

Then Stephen mentioned he'd be willing to go down 3 spots for a pick.

Not happening, as the REAL decision maker in Dallas, Till. Death. Do. They. Part., has made his decision.

And so it is done. (Shout out to Will McClay, who is strangely absent in this.)

Now this isn't news to anyone reasonable, I know. I'm talking to our less fortunate right now. Those loving in their alternate reality because the real world offends their fandom.

So, to those bros.... Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

"Let's keep Connor McGovern." What do you expect the GM, CEO, and President of the

Yep, since 1994 after making bad football moves after bad football moves, I hope he learned how to say "lets keep Connor". But what is said by Stephen Jones after is what makes the difference.

"Do we like Connor?!" Then the room gives the consensus that was already established. Plus Mark Colombo, OL Coach, was already in the room before the final decision. So he wanted him ("he's as stud"). The reason why McClay says nothing is because he has already confirmed McGovern's value. The board is right in front of them and on the lap tops. Stephen finally confirms what was already the decision before the trade discussion.

This is how a draft room is supposed to be run. If you have a player at the right value or higher on the board, you get the consensus to draft him, you listen to trade offers, and then you make a consensus decision.

Jerry Jones is Jerry Jones. He is always the showman who in the past made stupid impulse GM decisions not listening to the experts in the room from 1994-2002. It is obvious how that worked out. Trust me when I say the relationship between Stephen Jones with Will McClay is seriously good, believe it. That is why Stephen gave up the title of VP of Pro Player Personnel to Will McClay. After the Travis Frederick fiasco on non-consensus in the draft room, Jerry and Stephen lets McClay take total control of the draft process in philosophy and planning. That has not been in place since 1993.

You want to say Jerry is still calling the shots like he did 1994-2002? Then Johnny Manziel is your starting QB, and he is suspended and out the league. And in your alternate Marvel universe, you would not have a team that could compete for a Super Bowl.

 

[Sydla]

The Manziel deal was Fake News. Jerry never intended to draft him as he stated the morning on that Draft Day.

Jerry had just made some comments that off season about Johnny IMO because he wanted to act like he was interested in case the kid was a hit in the league knowing he would prob be there when we drafted. As usual Jerry and our front office are mouthing off about potential prospects and then have to explain later why they didn’t. The talk created a buzz and promotion for the Cowboys.

But Jerry specifically the morning of the draft denied they’d be looking for Romo’s heir apparent until Romo was done.

It is not fake news.

Both Jerry and Stephen have confirmed this after the draft. Stephen, for example, was quoted in a story saying that on the morning of the draft, he and his dad were going through the first round prospects and his dad said to him that if Manziel was there at 16, they would definitely take him and Stephen said that they probably wouldn't.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...icism-of-cowboys-not-drafting-johnny-manziel/

 

[Sydla]

How do we know this? I'm not saying it's not true but it just seems soooo implausible that I think it would require some pretty compelling evidence.

At the 14:50 mark of the video Risen posted Jerry says "Let's go with Connor McGovern." At that point Stephen expresses a clear preference to do the trade down with the Jets. "I'd go down at least 3 spots." The idea goes over like a lead balloon because Jerry has already made up his mind. Quickly realizing his error Stephen decides he had better roll over and invites the rest of the room to do the same: "Do we like Connor McGovern?" "We LOVE Conner McGovern!!" "OK, let's go Connor McGovern."

That's not consensus. That's prudence. Don't embarrass the boss on camera and DON'T PISS HIM OFF.

Hard to picture Stephen overruling Jerry on anything after witnessing that.

We know it because Jerry and Stephen have confirmed it happened.

I wouldn't use the word "overruled" either to describe that situation. I think Jerry caved because he couldn't get anyone in the war room to go with him on taking Manziel so he went with the consensus choice in the room, which was Martin.

 

[John813]

How do we know this? I'm not saying it's not true but it just seems soooo implausible that I think it would require some pretty compelling evidence.

At the 14:50 mark of the video Risen posted Jerry says "Let's go with Connor McGovern." At that point Stephen expresses a clear preference to do the trade down with the Jets. "I'd go down at least 3 spots." The idea goes over like a lead balloon because Jerry has already made up his mind. Quickly realizing his error Stephen decides he had better roll over and invites the rest of the room to do the same: "Do we like Connor McGovern?" "We LOVE Conner McGovern!!" "OK, let's go Connor McGovern."

That's not consensus. That's prudence. Don't embarrass the boss on camera and DON'T PISS HIM OFF.

Hard to picture Stephen overruling Jerry on anything after witnessing that.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...icism-of-cowboys-not-drafting-johnny-manziel/

"So there we were, staring at Johnny and Zack Martin," Stephen says. Jerry went around the table trying to wrangle support for Manziel, but he came up empty. "Lonely is the right word," Jerry says. "I don't think there was another soul in the room" who shared the owner's enthusiasm for Johnny Football. Instead, Jerry suggested his team trade out of the pick. "But no one was calling to trade," explains Stephen. By this time the boss "was not happy," says the son. Exasperated, Jerry finally asked, "So no one in this room wants to take Johnny Manziel?"

That's when Stephen looked at Jerry and, according to his recollection of the moment, said "Dad, we need to take Zack." Jerry caved and the Cowboys pulled the trigger on the Notre Dame guard. It's worked out pretty well, with Martin becoming part of a dominant offensive line that's road-graded for the Cowboys over the last three years, two of which featured the league's leading rusher (DeMarco Murray in 2014 and Ezekiel Elliott in 2016).

Even in the moment, Jerry sounds miffed, having apparently told Stephen the decision to take Martin was "right down the middle."

"Son, I hope you're happy," Jerry said. "But let me tell you something: You don't get to own the Cowboys, you don't get to do special things in life, by making major decisions going right down the middle. And that" -- taking an offensive lineman over Johnny Football -- "was right down the middle."

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cow...p-for-paxton-lynch-ended-up-with-dak-prescott

As much as Jones lamented missing out on Lynch, he had lamented even more missing out on Johnny Manziel two years earlier. With the 14th overall pick, the Cowboys could have had Manziel, the Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback from Texas A&M. Jones loved everything about Manziel, from his game to his moxie to the marketing possibilities.

As the minutes ticked away before Dallas made its 2014 first-round pick, Jones brought up Manziel's name in the draft room and was met with silence. Instead, the Cowboys chose Zack Martin. All Martin has done is become one of the best guards in football. Manziel has been out of the league since 2015.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-lost-out-on-paxton-lynch-as-their-future-qb/

Now 9:54. Schneider back on the phone. The call was quick. Stephen Jones got off the phone, turned to Jerry Jones at the board, and as one eyewitness recalled son said to father: “No way with Seattle. Too much. They want our two and three.”

“I’m not gonna go jump from Dallas’ tallest, so let’s put this in perspective,” Jones said Friday. “And I live with second-guessing and disappointments. That’s a part of this business. But if I had to do it all over again? I’d give the three.”

 

[Diehardblues]

It is not fake news.

Both Jerry and Stephen have confirmed this after the draft. Stephen, for example, was quoted in a story saying that on the morning of the draft, he and his dad were going through the first round prospects and his dad said to him that if Manziel was there at 16, they would definitely take him and Stephen said that they probably wouldn't.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...icism-of-cowboys-not-drafting-johnny-manziel/

Then you must have misssed the interview with Jerry the morning of the draft when he said while he had interest in Manziel the Cowboys were not going to use a 1st round pick on Romo’s heir apparent until Romo was done ,dismissing all rumors.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

We know it because Jerry and Stephen have confirmed it happened.

I wouldn't use the word "overruled" either to describe that situation. I think Jerry caved because he couldn't get anyone in the war room to go with him on taking Manziel so he went with the consensus choice in the room, which was Martin.

Yeah thanks for the link you posted in the other thread. I'd describe it exactly as you did: Jerry was afraid to make the decision without support; his advisors stood firm in refusing to give him support so he caved and went with what they wanted.

Anyway, I'm not sure what rides on all of this. Jerry still calls the shots. There's observable evidence that his decisions have improved in recent years because he's been willing to rely more on some reasonably competent advisors, not unlike the Jimmy and Parcells eras, as Diehardblues observes.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

What if I told you the last few years were simply an outlier in a 25-year data set?

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

What if I told you the last few years were simply an outlier in a 25-year data set?

It's possible, but unlikely. It's not just that the decisions have turned out ok. It's that they demonstrate a consistent vision and rationale and can be reasonably justified in advance of observing their outcomes.

 

[Sydla]

Then you must have misssed the interview with Jerry the morning of the draft when he said while he had interest in Manziel the Cowboys were not going to use a 1st round pick on Romo’s heir apparent until Romo was done ,dismissing all rumors.

We now have multiple interviews from after the draft saying that Jerry wanted Manziel WITH QUOTES FROM BOTH JERRY AND STEPHEN.

If you want to believe one interview from the morning before the draft over the mountains of evidence from after the draft, go right ahead.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yeah thanks for the link you posted in the other thread. I'd describe it exactly as you did: Jerry was afraid to make the decision without support; his advisors stood firm in refusing to give him support so he caved and went with what they wanted.

Anyway, I'm not sure what rides on all of this. Jerry still calls the shots. There's observable evidence that his decisions have improved in recent years because he's been willing to rely more on some reasonably competent advisors, not unlike the Jimmy and Parcells eras, as Diehardblues observes.

Jerry emphatically said after the draft that Romo still had several years left and they didn’t have any intention of drafting his heir apparent anytime soon.

The entire Manziel deal was typical Jerry playing to the media because he was afraid if he’d passed on Manziel and he became a big star he’d look a fool for not drafting him but he never had any intention of booting Romo out at that time nor bringing in his heir apparent.

 

[Sydla]

Yeah thanks for the link you posted in the other thread. I'd describe it exactly as you did: Jerry was afraid to make the decision without support; his advisors stood firm in refusing to give him support so he caved and went with what they wanted.

Anyway, I'm not sure what rides on all of this. Jerry still calls the shots. There's observable evidence that his decisions have improved in recent years because he's been willing to rely more on some reasonably competent advisors, not unlike the Jimmy and Parcells eras, as Diehardblues observes.

He still calls the shots for sure but what it shows is that he's malleable enough that he'll defer if he can't get rousing support for his positions, as was the case in that draft. If the room is split, for example, he'll go with his call I would guess. In other words, if half the room said sure, we need Johnny, he'd have gone with Manziel.

 

[Diehardblues]

We now have multiple interviews from after the draft saying that Jerry wanted Manziel WITH QUOTES FROM BOTH JERRY AND STEPHEN.

If you want to believe one interview from the morning before the draft over the mountains of evidence from after the draft, go right ahead.

PS - Of course it would make sense for Jerry to say the day of the draft that they weren't going to take Manziel. It was typical pre-draft posturing trying to throw teams off the scent as to what he wanted to do.

Wanting Manziel and intending on drafting him are not the same. I’m not denying Jerry wanted Manziel.

 

[Sydla]

Wanting Manziel and intending on drafting him are not the same. I’m not denying Jerry wanted Manziel.

Now you are playing semantics. When the 16th pick came, Jerry wanted to use it for Manziel and went around the war room trying to drum up support so he could take Manziel. Few, if any backed him, so he reluctantly went with Martin.

Stephen and Jerry have basically both confirmed this. So no, this wasn't fake news. Jerry wanted to draft Manziel at 16, couldn't get the support he needed/wanted so he could take him, so he went with the room's decision. It's all well documented and confirmed at this point.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Yikes.

You worked really hard to try to find something to get mad about here.

Business as usual for him. I have to assume he’s just a miserable human being. That must suck balls.

 

[Diehardblues]

Romo has just signed a new contract in 2013. It would make no sense to draft his heir apparent in 2014. It was all hoopla for the media and Jerry not wanting to potentially look the fool for passing on Manziel.

I’m not able to copy the DMN and don’t have ability to look for the local affiliates who aired the interview. I’m not sure who aired it.