PFT: Which quarterbacks won’t get big-money long-term deal?

[TheMarathonContinues]

So true......especially Garapolo who had what, 10 or less games as a starter but still got the mega deal.

Yeah that may have been even more insane than the Cousins contract. Dak has had to fight 3 and going on 4 years to get a contract....Garopolo has the luxury of sitting and playing for a great coach and duping the world to give him big money.

 

[Stash]

He's being poorly advise if he's being told to take that into account and take less money. The contract money is guaranteed , the off the field stuff isn't. This is a cut throat business. He can be injured a year from now and cut. He can be just cut in 3 years. Then he just passed up money because off the field money that will be no longer in play.

Or he can drive the hardest bargain until the Cowboys have had enough and look to someone else? That's the other side of the coin, right?

And then Dak Prescott can worry about landing endorsements with the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm sure the world will be beating down his door then.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

How so? Those endorsements will come regardless with the Cowboys. His agent is taking the approach of I can get him 30 million and get the endorsements. Not I can get him 25 million and endorsements. His agent gets a cut of what he be making.

Those endorsements depend on his remaining with America’s Team. He is likely worth more to Dallas than to any other team. But if he won’t accept our offer because he thinks he can get more elsewhere, let him try. Even assuming someone else is willing to pay him more the loss of endorsements would make leaving Dallas painful.

 

[Little Jr]

I am not sure about "bomb out" but I am in the camp of I am just not sure what kind of QB we have. I don't think he sucks or will suck but if I am paying a QB $30MM, making him one of the highest paid QBs in football, he better be much better than average and I am not sure he's significantly better than average.

I find the logic of "hey pay him essentially whatever he wants because his Top 5 contract won't be Top 5 in 4 years" to be some really dumb logic. It's how you end up with bad contracts. I mean shoot, why not sign Robert Quinn right now to a massive DE deal, locking him up long term, because hey, in 4 years that contract won't be a Top 5 DE contract!

To me, the risk of being handcuffed to an average QB making $30MM a year isn't worth it to save a few million per year by locking him up now.

Let him play out the last year of his rookie deal. If the cost goes from $27MM to $33MM because Dak played like a superstar? Great, I'll pay that because I will be more comfortable knowing that I have an elite QB making elite money. If he struggles or is just average or slightly above average? Then I know that locking him up long term at a huge number might not make financial sense to me. Then I can tag him (yes, I know for a big number but it's a one year number) and start sifting through plans for a longer term QB.

I dont agree with the logic and it shouldnt be the reason or a reason to sign him. With that said, by the year end of 2021 he will barely be in the top 10 and possible out of the top 10 of top paid QBs. It's just how it works amf always has. Thats why you see players in year 3 of a contract want more money because there have been players who past them on the pay scale that arent as good. Personally, I think he deserves 28-30m. Someone like you who doesn't, we obviously disagree but I get where you are coming from. I don't like to pay players big contracts just because we can. We just disagree if Dak deserves it.

He doesn't have to play like a super star for the price to go up. He can play like 2016&18, which imo, were good or very good but not super star level, and the price will go up.

I know people don't like the win stat because it's not a "real" stat. But it is real and especially in negotiations. Even owners , gms and coaches talk about when they say, player X has won a lot of games for us or any other comment they make when they talk about wins and attached them to the QB.

Other positions teams can sometimes reset the market a bit. We and the Broncos did it with Dez and Thomas in 2015 after det bad contract with mega tron. They can't do that at QB position. When you have Stafford, Jimmy G and cousins making 27-28m, and none of them have any playoff success or even getting their teams to the playoffs and reg season success, you're not getting Dak for less than that. Like or not, fair or not , wins attached to QBs is a real thing.

 

[Stash]

Those endorsements depend on his remaining with America’s Team. He is likely worth more to Dallas than to any other team. But if he won’t accept our offer because he thinks he can get more elsewhere, let him try. Even assuming someone else is willing to pay him more the loss of endorsements would make leaving Dallas painful.

 

[Little Jr]

Or he can drive the hardest bargain until the Cowboys have had enough and look to someone else? That's the other side of the coin, right?

And then Dak Prescott can worry about landing endorsements with the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm sure the world will be beating down his door then.

Sure, if they won't to look and start over, they are welcome to it. If I'm Dak, I'm still not taking less for money that isn't guaranteed off the field.

 

[Sydla]

I dont agree with the logic and it shouldnt be the reason or a reason to sign him. With that said, by the year end of 2021 he will barely be in the top 10 and possible out of the top 10 of top paid QBs. It's just how it works amf always has. Thats why you see players in year 3 of a contract want more money because there have been players who past them on the pay scale that arent as good. Personally, I think he deserves 28-30m. Someone like you who doesn't, we obviously disagree but I get where you are coming from. I don't like to pay players big contracts just because we can. We just disagree if Dak deserves it.

He doesn't have to play like a super star for the price to go up. He can play like 2016&18, which imo, were good or very good but not super star level, and the price will go up.

I know people don't like the win stat because it's not a "real" stat. But it is real and especially in negotiations. Even owners , gms and coaches talk about when they say, player X has won a lot of games for us or any other comment they make when they talk about wins and attached them to the QB.

Other positions teams can sometimes reset the market a bit. We and the Broncos did it with Dez and Thomas in 2015 after det bad contract with mega tron. They can't do that at QB position. When you have Stafford, Jimmy G and cousins making 27-28m, and none of them have any playoff success or even getting their teams to the playoffs and reg season success, you're not getting Dak for less than that. Like or not, fair or not , wins attached to QBs is a real thing.

Let me clarify this is bit.

I am not opposed to paying him $28-30MM.............. down the road. I don't want to pay him that now because I am not sure he's a legit Top 10 QB. Now certainly the team thinks he is, hence why they are willing to pay him (granted, we don't know what they are willing to pay him) but from my own personal stance, I find it foolish to pay a QB a Top 5 contract when he's not clearly carved out his place as one of the Top 10 QBs in football.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Someone posted an article from Football Outsiders that put it succinctly: the current market value for a starting quarterback is $Allofyourmoneyplease, and the expected football value for a backup quarterback is essentially 0. There's no middle ground. Either you make $25M+ as a starter - any starter - or you make $3M or less as a backup.

And holding out to see if a young guy's a franchise quarterback isn't a great approach either. The Commanders weren't sold on Kirk Cousins - which is fair, he's a pretty average quarterback. They double-tagged him and ended up paying like $41M for two years, before leaving empty handed. Minnesota then put up the money the Commanders were hesitant to pay without even blinking. So Washington was forced to sign Alex Smith to be their dumpoff artist bridge QB - which still cost them $24M a season. He blows out his knee through no fault of his own, and now they have to eat his 4 year mega-contract wholesale.

So all in all, Washington paid $65M over three years, and is on the hook for an eye-popping $32M more, because they wanted to stall and evaluate their quarterback. They lucked out big time by landing Dwayne Haskins this year, and his rookie deal should get them out of salary cap hell. Wish he went to a different team, but he seems like a good dude so I'm wishing him the best.

Anyway, finding a QB isn't going to be cheap no matter what you do. I'm thinking you might as well bite the bullet with Dak.

 

[Little Jr]

Let me clarify this is bit.

I am not opposed to paying him $28-30MM.............. down the road. I don't want to pay him that now because I am not sure he's a legit Top 10 QB. Now certainly the team thinks he is, hence why they are willing to pay him (granted, we don't know what they are willing to pay him) but from my own personal stance, I find it foolish to pay a QB a Top 5 contract when he's not clearly carved out his place as one of the Top 10 QBs in football.

We disagree but I get where you are coming from.

 

[LittleD]

Jimmy Garoppolo got a contract worth $27m a year after he threw for 5 career TDs. You best believe someone will pay Dak.

Great...Let's tag him next season and get one of those someone's to give us two #1's for him. I would love that deal!

 

[Stash]

Sure, if they won't to look and start over, they are welcome to it. If I'm Dak, I'm still not taking less for money that isn't guaranteed off the field.

That's cool. I hope he thinks differently. Florio's right here and the endorsements that come with being the Cowboys quarterback are a significant factor and consideration. It's a big plus for the organization that they are so high profile. And players would be smart to be conscious of that advantageous aspect of working here.

 

[DFWJC]

I would consider Dalton, Winston, and Mariota's situations as very dicey.

 

[glimmerman]

That's cool. I hope he thinks differently. Florio's right here and the endorsements that come with being the Cowboys quarterback are a significant factor and consideration. It's a big plus for the organization that they are so high profile. And players would be smart to be conscious of that advantageous aspect of working here.

The endorsements are there beer and pizza money. Lol.. There agents handle all this and make 3%. They push for every penny.

 

[OmerV]

Dak is being poorly advised if he’s not being told to factor in what he can make in endorsements in Dallas as opposed to anywhere else he might land.

Endorsements don't just come with being a Cowboy (thought it helps), they also come based on the personality of the player, the success of the player and the success of the team. On the other hand, the guaranteed portion of a contract is guaranteed, even if Zeke gets hurt and the entire O-Line breaks their leg 3 games into the season. Players are looking for that security, not to mention I'm sure every agent will say the endorsements are the gravy, but market value is market value.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Those endorsements depend on his remaining with America’s Team. He is likely worth more to Dallas than to any other team. But if he won’t accept our offer because he thinks he can get more elsewhere, let him try. Even assuming someone else is willing to pay him more the loss of endorsements would make leaving Dallas painful.

Yeah but he's not going anywhere lol. He doesn't have to take a pay cut to stay here. Basically he can either get paid 25 million and those great endorsement deals or get paid 30 million plus and those endorsements. Cowboys have no leverage on Dak. They can think they do but they just gave Lawrence 20 million and are about to pay Cooper. Jerry is not letting Dak go and try to get a better deal somewhere else. Its just not happening.

 

[glimmerman]

Yeah but he's not going anywhere lol. He doesn't have to take a pay cut to stay here. Basically he can either get paid 25 million and those great endorsement deals or get paid 30 million plus and those endorsements. Cowboys have no leverage on Dak. They can think they do but they just gave Lawrence 20 million and are about to pay Cooper. Jerry is not letting Dak go and try to get a better deal somewhere else. Its just not happening.

If he takes 30 million then JJ signs him before the days end. He and the FO are sold in him. And I can’t totally blame them, he has done well. We would all like a brady but that don’t come along often.

 

[JJHLH1]

The Cowboys would be wise to sign Dak now for $30 million per season. That price is only going to increase the longer they wait.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The Cowboys would be wise to sign Dak now for $30 million per season. That price is only going to increase the longer they wait.

Facts. Like imagine if Wentz or Goff or both sign for 40 million...........does Dak then ask for 35?

 

[Little Jr]

That's cool. I hope he thinks differently. Florio's right here and the endorsements that come with being the Cowboys quarterback are a significant factor and consideration. It's a big plus for the organization that they are so high profile. And players would be smart to be conscious of that advantageous aspect of working here.

Id like to see or hear that one player in the history of the organization took less money because they played for the cowboys and could earn more off the field with them. If you want to narrow it to qbs, Aikman or romo never took less.

As far as other positions, If that was the case we would be a FA destination that players take less and would never lose any FA. I've seen high profile players like Smith, Dez , Dlaw and others hold out id threaten to hold out for more money.


It's never smart to take less money on a contract for money that isn't guaranteed off the field and how long you are on the team isn't in your control

 

[Stash]

The endorsements are there beer and pizza money. Lol.. There agents handle all this and make 3%. They push for every penny.

"7 figures" isn't "beer and pizza money". Not for you and me, and not for any Pro athlete either.