Tampa has released Gerald McCoy

[Hennessy_King]

There's a sizable distance between the "$4 million" you're claiming and the "$10-$11 million a year" being talked about regarding McCoy.

Rather than "we like our guys", maybe we should be saying "we need our cap space to keep our guys"?

We have enough room right now to keep our guys. So to keep that same amount of money you cut ty craw and hurns. Voila have the same amount of $$ McCoy is better than those 2

 

[Stash]

So where is McCoy going?

I think its's Cleveland at #1 and Indianapolis at #2.

My guess.

 

[Sydla]

I'll certainly wait, but I'll also go by what I see, and tell me if I'm wrong.

I see one guy (Suh) that has been a free agent and had no market at all for months, until the Bucs cut their guy and made an offer.

And now I see a guy just hitting the market, that has teams lining up to talk with him (McCoy).

Is any of that inaccurate?

Go further. The team also didn't see McCoy's value being at $13MM a year either. Other teams aren't blind. I suspect he gets a 2-3 year deal, around $11MM a year or so with a perfectly manageable guaranteed total.

And let's note, the Cowboys aren't even kicking the tires on him. It's criminal to not even bring him and just see what he wants and maybe try to sell him on joining a team that could win now.

There's little doubt in my head this is more about they think they are fine at DT than what it might actually cost them.

 

[Sydla]

There's a sizable distance between the "$4 million" you're claiming and the "$10-$11 million a year" being talked about regarding McCoy.

Rather than "we like our guys", maybe we should be saying "we need our cap space to keep our guys"?

The $4MM was nothing more than a joke about Stephen's penny pinching ways. Don't take it literally.

 

[Stash]

We have enough room right now to keep our guys. So to keep that same amount of money you cut ty craw and hurns. Voila have the same amount of $$ McCoy is better than those 2

For one year it works. But McCoy has better options than a one year deal. Clearly.

If you want to compete with those offers, you're borrowing from the future and digging into those future contracts. No dice.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Go further. The team also didn't see McCoy's value being at $13MM a year either. Other teams aren't blind. I suspect he gets a 2-3 year deal, around $11MM a year or so with a perfectly manageable guaranteed total.

And let's note, the Cowboys aren't even kicking the tires on him. It's criminal to not even bring him and just see what he wants and maybe try to sell him on joining a team that could win now.

There's little doubt in my head this is more about they think they are fine at DT than what it might actually cost them.

Their pro scouting has been terrible forever so it makes sense that they think ty craw and company are as good as McCoy. Btw the head of our pro scouting is Garrett's brother.

 

[Hennessy_King]

For one year it works. But McCoy has better options than a one year deal. Clearly.

If you want to compete with those offers, you're borrowing from the future and digging into those future contracts. No dice.

I need @Nightman to come explain this to you obviously you aren't getting it. Next year if witten and lee aren't here that's 9M right there

 

[Stash]

Go further. The team also didn't see McCoy's value being at $13MM a year either. Other teams aren't blind. I suspect he gets a 2-3 year deal, around $11MM a year or so with a perfectly manageable guaranteed total.

Define "perfectly manageable"?

He'll want at least two years of any deal guaranteed, and as much more than that as he can get. Go further.

And let's note, the Cowboys aren't even kicking the tires on him. It's criminal to not even bring him and just see what he wants and maybe try to sell him on joining a team that could win now.

There's little doubt in my head this is more about they think they are fine at DT than what it might actually cost them.

The word is out on what he wants, $10-$11 million a year. I don't have to kick tires to know that. It's now public knowledge.

 

[Stash]

I need @Nightman to come explain this to you obviously you aren't getting it. Next year if witten and lee aren't here that's 9M right there

Great! With huge raises for Dak, Cooper, Zeke, Jaylon, etc...

Oh and then you also need to worry about a TE and LB position...

 

[Sydla]

Define "perfectly manageable"?

He'll want at least two years of any deal guaranteed, and as much more than that as he can get. Go further.



The word is out on what he wants, $10-$11 million a year. I don't have to kick tires to know that. It's now public knowledge.

Perfectly manageable would be that by the third year, you have no dead money issues. So if he eats up $22-24MM in cap space over over two years ($11-12MM per year) and then we can ship him out for no cap hit in the third year like Tampa just did, I could easily live with that.

And the Cowboys would have the cap space to handle that and still bring back key players.

And a few reports from bloggers and NFL reports isn't public knowledge. It's rumor mongering. The Cowboys aren't kicking the tires because they don't think they need to.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Great! With huge raises for Dak, Cooper, Zeke, Jaylon, etc...

Oh and then you also need to worry about a TE and LB position...

Ummmm come on seriously you bank on Witten and Sean lee next year

 

[AmericasTeam81]

I think its's Cleveland at #1 and Indianapolis at #2.

My guess.

I wish we were one of his suitors.

 

[G2]

I’ll be pissed if the Cowboys don’t kick the tires on this. McCoy turns DT in to a strong group with depth.

I agree. I can see a one year contract very realistic and there is some uncertainty on the DL. We would be ignorant to not bring him in as a rotational player at the very least.

 

[gjkoeppen]

If you guarantee 1 year and half of salary and sign him to a 3 year it gives you an out if need be. But figure next year you would have room when sean lee and witten get cut.

Every team take into account what their current cap hits are and what they will be in the future and you can bet that Lee's and Witten's has already been taken into account when negotiating the needs they already have in Prescott, Elliott and Cooper. Here's what those saying the Cowboys can fit McCoy under the cap. They seem to forget about more pressing needs like Prescott, Elliott and Cooper and not forgetting about already signed Lawrence and what their cap hits in future years will be. No team can just sign every player that becomes available without having to releasing player(s) to do it. McCoy isn't worth losing any of the those four to get.
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[Sydla]

I agree. I can see a one year contract very realistic and there is some uncertainty on the DL. We would be ignorant to not bring him in as a rotational player at the very least.

Exactly.

He very well might get a big contract. But there's no reason to not bring him in and maybe even sell him on playing here, for a team that might be able to win something, for a bit less.

I have little doubt that the reason they aren't in on this is because they believe with the addition of Hill in the draft, Marinelli has all he needs.

 

[Sydla]

Every team take into account what their current cap hits are and what they will be in the future and you can bet that Lee's and Witten's has already been taken into account when negotiating the needs they already have in Prescott, Elliott and Cooper. Here's what those saying the Cowboys can fit McCoy under the cap. They seem to forget about more pressing needs like Prescott, Elliott and Cooper and not forgetting about already signed Lawrence and what their cap hits in future years will be. No team can just sign every player that becomes available without having to releasing player(s) to do it. McCoy isn't worth losing any of the those four to get.
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You don't have to lose any of the four if you bring McCoy in.

 

[Stash]

Perfectly manageable would be that by the third year, you have no dead money issues. So if he eats up $22-24MM in cap space over over two years ($11-12MM per year) and then we can ship him out for no cap hit in the third year like Tampa just did, I could easily live with that.

And the Cowboys would have the cap space to handle that and still bring back key players.

And be forced to let some go to pay this guy that "$22-$24 million". They have a lot of cap room next year, and also have few guys under contract. And the fact is that whether you think they made a mistake or not, they just used their top draft asset on their under tackle. It's counter-productive to now sit that guy while you guarantee two years minimum to a guy at that same position.

And a few reports from bloggers and NFL reports isn't public knowledge. It's rumor mongering. The Cowboys aren't kicking the tires because they don't think they need to.

You want to tell yourself that to be mad about it. I can't stop you there.

 

[Stash]

I agree. I can see a one year contract very realistic and there is some uncertainty on the DL. We would be ignorant to not bring him in as a rotational player at the very least.

He's got a market, he won't sign on for that.

 

[Stash]

Ummmm come on seriously you bank on Witten and Sean lee next year

No. That's not what I said. I said you will need to find replacements on the field.

 

[Hennessy_King]

No. That's not what I said. I said you will need to find replacements on the field.

You know they do it "through the draft" we don't sign starters in free agency