Kris Richard: Hill has generational-type athleticism

[waldoputty]

You want to talk generational, look at Ed Oliver in this same class. Hill couldn't carry his pads to practice.

do check their scores first with hill
for the pure explosiveness (vert jump) score they scored essentially the same while hill is 21 lbs bigger

player-----------hill----------oliver
weight----------308------------287
arm length---33 3/8---------31 3/4
vertical jump----35-------------36
broad jump----115------------120

 

[Pompey-Cowboy]

I wasn't crazy about the pick, not that I particularly had anyone specific in mind at 58 but I am warming to Hill as potential difference maker. Like all of 'em, time will tell.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

You want to talk generational, look at Ed Oliver in this same class. Hill couldn't carry his pads to practice.

Hmmm.....see what you're saying but let's be honest. Until they BOTH play NFL games, we're not sure what we're going to see.

 

[noshame]

To say he's high on this kid is an understatement......lol

Kris Richard says Trysten Hill has “generational-type athleticism”
Posted by Charean Williams on May 27, 2019, 3:29 PM EDT

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ysten-hill-has-generational-type-athleticism/

When it came time for the Cowboys to make their first pick in the 2019 draft, they found themselves with a choice. Safeties Juan Thornhill and Taylor Rapp, pass rusher Jaylon Ferguson and defensive tackle Trysten Hill all were on the board for Dallas at No. 58.

Cowboys secondary coach Kris Richard cast his vote for Hill, which is who the team selected.


“This game is won up front. It’s a big man’s game,” Richard explained. “When you’re able to get a player like the one that we got with Trysten, he’s got like generational-type athleticism, just freakish ability in regards to his athleticism. It’s hard to pass on a guy of that nature.”

The game is won up front. Love this guy.
While Rod rushes 3 and gets carved.

 

[Melonfeud]

1. do check their scores first with hill
   for the pure explosiveness (vert jump) score they scored essentially the same while hill is 21 lbs bigger
   
   player-----------hill----------oliver
   weight----------308------------287
   arm length---33 3/8---------31 3/4
   vertical jump----35-------------36
   broad jump----115------------120

2. A most excellent & understandable comparison ,,,er,,,graphic
3. It really worked out great when I held my phone sideways,,,Too

 

[SoupcanSam]

You want to talk generational, look at Ed Oliver in this same class. Hill couldn't carry his pads to practice.

Still waiting for those 1st NFL snaps before claiming anything. The NFL is a whole other situation my fellow fan!

 

[Hennessy_King]

I have zero faith in this pick only because it's Marinelli's pick

 

[OmerV]

I have zero faith in this pick only because it's Marinelli's pick

Marinelli doesn't get to unilaterally make draft picks.

 

[speedkilz88]

Looking forward to seeing what he brings to the table. If he does to the DT position as LVE brought to the LB position I'll be pleased.

Detractors are saying similar things about Hill that was said of LVE. Overdrafted, they were the only ones that liked him that high, he is too raw. The Cowboys have drafted so well with Taco being the one that they look like they got wrong. But Hill has elite type physical skills that Taco never had.

 

[Direwolf63]

It's normal for hyperbole to run wild this time of year. I'm sure the Bengals are talking up one of their picks like he's the next Great One.

He hasn't even put the pads on yet. Let's wait and see.

 

[CouchCoach]

First of all, they're going to "sell" their first pick to the fans and this one a little more than others because he does come with that ? about his attitude with the coaching change that took place and the college's refusal to let him follow his coach. If he doesn't do that, does that change where he goes in the draft? This draft was deeper at his position than it has been in years so that exacerbated this considerably. In a regular draft at this position, he would have gone higher.

From the outside, it seems that attitude is in the past and he found another coach to replace the one that left him to go to NE. So now it becomes all about ability and not about attitude.

I do not look at the DT position as a standalone like the DE one. If you look back on it, damned few DT's talked about singularly compared to DE's. Right now there is one dominant DT in the NFL.

I do look at the DL as a unit as much as the OL and it's about how the pieces come together to make the whole. Sapp was a Sapp until he got Rice and then he expanded. John Randle, same thing. And Ware and Ratliff made each other better. La'Roi Glover has been the best FA the Cowboys have signed but his challenge was he was the best, by far, DL the Cowboys had and he had to fulfill a role Hill does not have to fill. However, to not consider Hill is bigger, faster, quicker, stronger and more athletic than Glover is to short sell his potential. And at this time, that's all he is....potential.

The Cowboys have an added ingredient to a DL already improved by the Quinn addition and a rotation of Collins, Woods and Hill is an upgrade. I do not look at him as a player like the highlighted DT's high in the 1st round and comparing him to Oliver is not fair as he was projected as the #1 overall pick before the season began.

And while some are taking shots at Marinelli, consider the improvement in TB's DL and Sapp when he became their DLC And it looks as if he's focused more on the DL than the overall D at this point and we might see the full changing of the guard this season.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Did have the 4th highest SPARQ score behind Oliver(holy ****), Q William's, and Tillery.

 

[xwalker]

do check their scores first with hill
for the pure explosiveness (vert jump) score they scored essentially the same while hill is 21 lbs bigger

player-----------hill----------oliver
weight----------308------------287
arm length---33 3/8---------31 3/4
vertical jump----35-------------36
broad jump----115------------120

I'm a big fan of drafting Hill, but...

player . . . . . . . . . Aaron Donald
weight . . . . . . . . 285
arm length . . . . . 32 5⁄8
vertical jump . . . 32
broad jump . . . . 116

 

[waldoputty]

I'm a big fan of drafting Hill, but...

player . . . . . . . . . Aaron Donald
weight . . . . . . . . 285
arm length . . . . . 32 5⁄8
vertical jump . . . 32
broad jump . . . . 116

is your point that test scores only go so far?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

is your point that test scores only go so far?

I dont think that's his point, but I also dont know what his point is.

Donald's testing
Bench- 92nd %
20 yard shuttle- 88th %
3 cone- 97th %
Broad jump- 96th %
Vert jump- 80th %
40 yard- 99%
10 yard split- 99%

Insane

 

[waldoputty]

I dont think that's his point, but I also dont know what his point is.

Donald's testing
Bench- 92nd %
20 yard shuttle- 88th %
3 cone- 97th %
Broad jump- 96th %
Vert jump- 80th %
40 yard- 99%
10 yard split- 99%

Insane

perhaps his point is oliver testing is better than donald
however hill testing is actually more impressive than oliver give difference in size

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

perhaps his point is oliver testing is better than donald
however hill testing is actually more impressive than oliver give difference in size

Ahh yeah Hill's isnt more impressive at all. SPARQ takes into account each drill weighted by the measurements those players have, and Oliver's SPARQ, which us up above, is next world stuff.

 

[waldoputty]

Ahh yeah Hill's isnt more impressive at all. SPARQ takes into account each drill weighted by the measurements those players have, and Oliver's SPARQ, which us up above, is next world stuff.

the stat we care the most about is explosiveness.
that is the vertical jump score and to a lesser degree the broad jump.
he is all world on the vertical jump given his weight.
in fact his broad jump of 115 is pretty darn close to oliver's 120 particularly if you factor in the difference in weight
his 40 time is less relevant and they should really start using the 10 yard instead of the 40 yard
the only stat that is not good is the cone score.
oliver is really interesting because he could be a really good dt, but is somewhat undersized like donald.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

the stat we care the most about is explosiveness.
that is the vertical jump score and to a lesser degree the broad jump.
he is all world on the vertical jump given his weight.
in fact his broad jump of 115 is pretty darn close to oliver's 120 particularly if you factor in the difference in weight
his 40 time is less relevant and they should really start using the 10 yard instead of the 40 yard
the only stat that is not good is the cone score.
oliver is really interesting because he could be a really good dt, but is somewhat undersized like donald.

No, we care about all of it including play strength. But the two jumps and 10 yard split do measure explosiveness.(Oliver obviously destroys Hill in the 10 yard split)

But yeah, as was being said originally Oliver is an athletic freak whereas Hill isnt. Picking the only two test scores that Hill even came close to Oliver at isn't proving otherwise, that's for sure.

 

[speedkilz88]

Did have the 4th highest SPARQ score behind Oliver(holy ****), Q William's, and Tillery.

And I would think Oliver, Hill, Williams, and Tillery would be good guesses on the guys Marinelli thought were true under tackles.