Deep Threat WRs and Kellen Moore's Offense

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You can have your car in any colour you want, as long as it's black"


- Henry Ford, 1920


“You can run any pattern you want, as long as it’s a comeback route”


- Scott Linehan, 2018


One of the biggest problems with the offense last year IMO was Linehan’s predictability. Way too many pass routes were comebacks and with the OL injuries, defenses ignored the deep routes to run blitz and sit on the short routes. Linehan was fired, then Kellen Moore was clearly hired to bring more innovation and unpredictability to the offense.

The best example was Amari Cooper’s 75 yard TD against the Eagles where he publicly said this after the game:

“It’s interesting because I actually had another stop route on that play and they were, if you were watching, really sitting on those stop routes,” Cooper said. “And I was like, this is ridiculous. So when I broke the huddle I was kind of mad and I was like, Dak, come on. And he was just like, just run it bro. And I guess he thought about it again and he kind of signaled a go route and I was elated when he did that. And I took off, caught the ball, and scored.”

Going into the offseason, the team replaced Beasley in the slot with Cobb, who has been a deep threat his entire career. Amari and Gallup are already deep threats.

Reading the news from the OTA’s, its clear the backup WR candidates this year could add a ton of deep speed to the team. Tavon Austin might be the fastest player on the team. Devin Smith was a 2nd round pick because of his deep speed but was injured with the Jets. Jon’Vea Johnson is described as having electric deep speed. Reggie Davis has bounced around but ran a 4.31 at his combine. Even Cedric Wilson is a deceptively fast deep threat.

So question for the board – if Zeke and Witten are the short game, then you have 6 WRs (and Jarwin) who can beat you deep, what does Kellen Moore’s offense look like?
 

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You can have your car in any colour you want, as long as it's black"
- Henry Ford, 1920

“You can run any pattern you want, as long as it’s a comeback route”
- Scott Linehan, 2018

One of the biggest problems with the offense last year IMO was Linehan’s predictability. Way too many pass routes were comebacks and with the OL injuries, defenses ignored the deep routes to run blitz and sit on the short routes.

Teams were sitting on our wideouts and daring us to beat them deep since 2017. Our lack of success in taking that dare has been the fundamental problem hampering the offense.
 

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In the Cowboys Superbowl years they had a speed guy #80 and a big body #88. So we are now missing that big body 50-50 ball guy, that excels in the redzone. Speed is only half the battle. IMO.

Still got to score in the redzone.
Bring back Dez? :lmao:
 

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Going into the offseason, the team replaced Beasley in the slot with Cobb, who has been a deep threat his entire career. Amari and Gallup are already deep threats.

Reading the news from the OTA’s, its clear the backup WR candidates this year could add a ton of deep speed to the team. Tavon Austin might be the fastest player on the team. Devin Smith was a 2nd round pick because of his deep speed but was injured with the Jets. Jon’Vea Johnson is described as having electric deep speed. Reggie Davis has bounced around but ran a 4.31 at his combine. Even Cedric Wilson is a deceptively fast deep threat.

So question for the board – if Zeke and Witten are the short game, then you have 6 WRs (and Jarwin) who can beat you deep, what does Kellen Moore’s offense look like?

Though we used him as a deep threat, Gallup doesn't have the size or speed for it. I expect him to lose some snaps in the base offense to put a true deep threat out there in his stead. If we have one. We have a lot of fast guys, but we'll have to see if any of that speed can play.

I'm hoping that our base offense is mainly multiple run threats, with deep threats at wideout. 20 personnel is my preference. Dak, Zeke, Olawale, Pollard/Cobb/Austin, Cooper, Deep Threat #2.
 

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In the Cowboys Superbowl years they had a speed guy #80 and a big body #88. So we are now missing that big body 50-50 ball guy, that excels in the redzone. Speed is only half the battle. IMO.

Still got to score in the redzone.

I disagree. They actually didn't have a speed guy that was worth anything. That was the biggest problem with the offense.

If they could grind it out and keep it close, they would overcome them with power in the 2nd half. But if they were down big and they had to start winging the ball....……….that 90's team was stuck. Aikman threw one of the worst deep balls I have ever seen. Who was going to get deep? Maybe Harper on occasion?

Aikman could throw a 30 yard out on a rope, but a touch deep ball that floated nice?...…………..not so much.
 

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Teams were sitting on our wideouts and daring us to beat them deep since 2017. Our lack of success in taking that dare has been the fundamental problem hampering the offense.

Yeah, it was absolutely maddening watching our offense playing teams that for instance, ran a lot of Cover 3, single high, with CBs basically playing deep sideline zone, SS covering underneath routes, and a FS high..

And we'd run comeback routes down the sidelines, with TE routes just ending right where the SS just needed to run about 5 steps. Just about the only thing we'd do is try and get Beasley into some of the space between LBs and CBs, but it was comical. They knew that was it.

Insanity. No zone floods, no tight to LOS 11 personnel packages, no attempts to bait and make safeties make tough decisions with their responsibilities, ahhhhhhh.

I cant remember what the defense was against the Giants in the last game we played them but it was beautiful, and simple in how they baited the safeties with underneath routes and Jarwin zoomed upfield, had a monster game basically doing what we never did all year. "Where the hell has that been?" And you don't just need TEs for that, you can use anyone in 11 or 10 personnel.

I'm actually a big fan of Jon'Vea Johnson, no idea if he'll make it, but even between the guys we know will make it, we have the guys who can attack deep already. I think between the protection and comfort level this year, and Kellen (mainly because you can't really get much worse), I'm actually a bit optimistic. We're certainly capable of it.
 

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In the Cowboys Superbowl years they had a speed guy #80 and a big body #88. So we are now missing that big body 50-50 ball guy, that excels in the redzone. Speed is only half the battle. IMO.

Still got to score in the redzone.
80 as in Alvin Harper?
Harper wasn't a speed guy. He was a high-point guy.
 
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The key to a successful go route is decent pass protection and not overthrowing the wide receiver. Linnehan didn't just suddenly become infatuated with come back routes for no reason. Inexplicably eating the football for 10 yard losses didn't help either.
 

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The key to a successful go route is decent pass protection and not overthrowing the wide receiver. Linnehan didn't just suddenly become infatuated with come back routes for no reason. Inexplicably eating the football for 10 yard losses didn't help either.
That's correct, he didn't. He's always done this crapp. Romo used to have to bail him out by scrambling until the receivers had run their routes and finally started getting open by freelancing.
 

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You can have your car in any colour you want, as long as it's black"


- Henry Ford, 1920


“You can run any pattern you want, as long as it’s a comeback route”


- Scott Linehan, 2018


One of the biggest problems with the offense last year IMO was Linehan’s predictability. Way too many pass routes were comebacks and with the OL injuries, defenses ignored the deep routes to run blitz and sit on the short routes. Linehan was fired, then Kellen Moore was clearly hired to bring more innovation and unpredictability to the offense.

The best example was Amari Cooper’s 75 yard TD against the Eagles where he publicly said this after the game:

“It’s interesting because I actually had another stop route on that play and they were, if you were watching, really sitting on those stop routes,” Cooper said. “And I was like, this is ridiculous. So when I broke the huddle I was kind of mad and I was like, Dak, come on. And he was just like, just run it bro. And I guess he thought about it again and he kind of signaled a go route and I was elated when he did that. And I took off, caught the ball, and scored.”

Going into the offseason, the team replaced Beasley in the slot with Cobb, who has been a deep threat his entire career. Amari and Gallup are already deep threats.

Reading the news from the OTA’s, its clear the backup WR candidates this year could add a ton of deep speed to the team. Tavon Austin might be the fastest player on the team. Devin Smith was a 2nd round pick because of his deep speed but was injured with the Jets. Jon’Vea Johnson is described as having electric deep speed. Reggie Davis has bounced around but ran a 4.31 at his combine. Even Cedric Wilson is a deceptively fast deep threat.

So question for the board – if Zeke and Witten are the short game, then you have 6 WRs (and Jarwin) who can beat you deep, what does Kellen Moore’s offense look like?
According to JG it's the same O with a few wrinkles, that actually makes sense as this is KM first time OC duty. Not sure why so many think some new mystery O is coming , KM was a SL disciple for all his NFL career, There is only one factor that will count and that's Dak's level of play. What scares me is all those years as a back up and QB coach KM never did anything to greatly improve the O and no one ever heard how great he was. SL got axed to save JG's job, I didn't hear anyone complaining in 2016 or 2017. Hope it works and Dak hits the long ball alot and KM is the boy genius all the homers are saying he is, but I believe we are in for a lot of more of the same as JG is still HC.
 

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Teams were sitting on our wideouts and daring us to beat them deep since 2017. Our lack of success in taking that dare has been the fundamental problem hampering the offense.
Not true at all. In 2018, we were much better at scoring from outside the 20 than from inside, especially after the arrival of Cooper.

2018 (after week 8)
% of drives ending in TD

last play of drive was from OUTSIDE red zone
NFL avg 16.6%
Dallas 28.6% (2nd)

last play of drive was from INSIDE red zone
NFL avg 63.6%
Dallas 54.5% (29th)

We could definitely take more deep shots and be even better at scoring from farther out on the field, but 75% of the TD scored in this league are scored from within the red zone. We didn't have any problem moving the ball between the 20s, as we were top 10 in TOP per drive, plays per drive, and yards per drive. The #1 problem of this offense in 2018 was the red zone. That's got nothing to do with the deep ball.
 

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Not true at all. In 2018, we were much better at scoring from outside the 20 than from inside, especially after the arrival of Cooper.

2018 (after week 8)
% of drives ending in TD

last play of drive was from OUTSIDE red zone
NFL avg 16.6%
Dallas 28.6% (2nd)

last play of drive was from INSIDE red zone
NFL avg 63.6%
Dallas 54.5% (29th)

We could definitely take more deep shots and be even better at scoring from farther out on the field, but 75% of the TD scored in this league are scored from within the red zone. We didn't have any problem moving the ball between the 20s, as we were top 10 in TOP per drive, plays per drive, and yards per drive. The #1 problem of this offense in 2018 was the red zone. That's got nothing to do with the deep ball.

None of that says anything about how well we were connecting on deep balls.

Top 10 with the best RB in the league is not a sign of success.

"After week 8". My comment - "since 2017". So you left out 3/4 of the time I was talking about.
 

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None of that says anything about how well we were connecting on deep balls.

Top 10 with the best RB in the league is not a sign of success.

"After week 8". My comment - "since 2017". So you left out 3/4 of the time I was talking about.
If you were talking about 2017 and not currently, then please ignore.

If you meant currently, then you're wrong. An offense that ranks in the top 10 between the 20s, and ranks 2nd in TD% from outside the 20, but 29th in red zone TD% doesn't list the deep ball as one of its problems, much less "the fundamental problem."
 
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