Wentz contract put Cowboys in precarious situation

[mattjames2010]

In Major League Baseball , the team's record is reflected in the standings , yet don't pitchers have WON/LOSS records attributed to them ? Do they make every put-out with zero assistance ? And what about goalies in the NHL ?Their goals against average and THEIR WON/LOSS RECORDS(s) are recorded and included.............. I guess baseball and hockey aren't team games.................

We're not discussing the MLB. What next? Golf?

Stick to the topic at hand.

 

[Roadtrip635]

No, the sport is the show, the arguments come from the spectators. There is absolutely nothing from the sport that dictates you to to accept the argument you're using to justify your bias. Nothing.

The argument, at it's core, is flawed. This is not suggesting that the QB isn't one of the most valuable positions in all of sports, but blindly ignoring the other players surrounding the QB is downright stupid and being intentionally ignorant and flat out lazy.

W/L record is just a stat and shouldn't be used to judge a QB, just like any other stat. It is attached to QBs, because of their importance to the team and amount of decision making, leadership and ball handling they do on the field. Like any other stat, it doesn't tell the whole story, but it does show a measure of success. It's difficult to put into quantitative numbers intangible skills and W/L record is just another brush stroke that helps paint the whole picture.

 

[MCMetal69]

We're not discussing the MLB. What next? Golf?

Stick to the topic at hand.

YOU BROUGHT UP the "team game" argument , genius.......................

 

[mattjames2010]

YOU BROUGHT UP the "team game" argument , genius.......................

I brought up the team game in the context of football, on a football message board, on the topic of football....

It's like you bringing basketball into this - sign a couple star players and win a championship or 2. It's not the same to football.

 

[agk136]

It is a 4 yr 128m extension. He didn’t sign a 6 year contract. 32 per year not 25 lmao

Wentz gets the signing bonus the day he signed the contract - 17.6 million being reported. The overall picture is it is a 6 year contract.

 

[Typhus]

Lets make no mistake about this, Wentz gave the Eagles a massive hometown discount. With remaining money owed ($154 M) and 6 years that is an avg of $25.7 Mill year. If Wentz even sniffs another MVP type year, that contract becomes most favorable team contract in all of sports. Wentz is only the #9th highest paid QB in football with top 3 potential. Garoppolo & Stafford are still ahead of him in avg yearly number (let that sink in). Wentz contract will allow Eagles to be aggressive in FA or resigning their players.

Now for Cowboys, Wentz hometown discount contract put Dallas in a bad spot because Dak will want more. That won't play out well on national or local level because most see Wentz as superior talent. Every game Dak contract will be compared to Wentz. Every losing streak will come back to Dak contract. Its really this simple. Since Wentz & Dak new contracts are happening at same time, If Dak makes more money then he has to out-perform Wentz over next six years. IMO thats wishful thinking.

Its almost like Jeff always wants to one up Jerry, like a pissing match.
Oh,, Witten retires,, Ok we will reach for Goedert just because.. He is like Snyder but much smarter, but both are little wieners that you want to punch in the throat at parties, but don't because you know you will get a felony charge.

 

[CyberB0b]

The Cowboys are only in a "precarious situation" if they allow themselves to be pigeonholed into it. They don't have to be. There is no one who can order Dallas to sign Dak to an exorbitant contract, save for the Cowboys themselves. If they want to let Dak walk, they can. If they want to low-ball him to a low contract and dare him to sign elsewhere, they can. Dak is replaceable.

We need to stop this NFL trend of team finances being held hostage by one marquee QB who eats up a disproportionately large amount of the cap.

Who do we replace him with?

 

[Jake]

Lets make no mistake about this, Wentz gave the Eagles a massive hometown discount. With remaining money owed ($154 M) and 6 years that is an avg of $25.7 Mill year. If Wentz even sniffs another MVP type year, that contract becomes most favorable team contract in all of sports. Wentz is only the #9th highest paid QB in football with top 3 potential. Garoppolo & Stafford are still ahead of him in avg yearly number (let that sink in). Wentz contract will allow Eagles to be aggressive in FA or resigning their players.

Now for Cowboys, Wentz hometown discount contract put Dallas in a bad spot because Dak will want more. That won't play out well on national or local level because most see Wentz as superior talent. Every game Dak contract will be compared to Wentz. Every losing streak will come back to Dak contract. Its really this simple. Since Wentz & Dak new contracts are happening at same time, If Dak makes more money then he has to out-perform Wentz over next six years. IMO thats wishful thinking.

I think Wentz's "discount" was driven as much by his injury history as anything else. The Eagles invested heavily in a guy who has had issues staying on the field.

 

[MCMetal69]

I brought up the team game in the context of football, on a football message board, on the topic of football....

It's like you bringing basketball into this - sign a couple star players and win a championship or 2. It's not the same to football.

Except I didn't use that , I used as my 1st example the game that has almost the same number of players on the field as a football team to show how lacking your argument and calling everyone a "moron" is...................

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, I'll say this. I once watched an interview with Dan Marino, the guy who I believe was the best pure passer I've ever seen. Marino broke all the records, his Soph season is still one of the greatest single season achievements I've ever witnessed. In that interview he was asked what his greatest regret was. He said that he wished he would have done things a little differently to try and give himself a better chance to win a Championship. He said that after that 84 season, he just thought that he would get more chances to win one. He said that he wished he would have done the trade off and maybe ran the ball a little more but that passing was so much more fun and that he just always thought he would eventually win one. Of course, it never happened.

The point is that it's not just fans or media who judge themselves on winning, it's the players. I know this much, in my athletic career, as brief as it was, I would give up any individual great game for a win. My body is a mess these days and the older I get, the worse it gets. But you know what, I'd still get out there and play if I could, even though I know what it costs and you know why? Because I want to win too.

That's all I know.

 

[gimmesix]

"Carson Wentz plays well in spite of the team around him failing. Let's also ignore the significant amount of injuries Eagles had in 2018 LOL HAHA WENTZ SUCKS! GO COWBOYS! HAHAHA"

Determining how much blame falls on the quarterback's shoulders has been an issue probably since the forward pass was added. Winning and losing are usually inordinately placed on the QB. His mistakes are usually glaring compared to other mistakes that probably cost the team just as much or more in a loss. As you point out, fans ignore the injuries and just look at the record. Or they ignore the statistics and just look at the record. Or they ignore the fact that the quarterback was running for his life and just look at the record. Or they just look at the stats and don't actually examine the reasons for success or failure.

 

[cern]

Two of the sharpest minds in the contract game, rosenhaus and Stephen will each make the best deal for their team. Hope Stephen does as well with dak.

 

[mattjames2010]

Except I didn't use that , I used as my 1st example the game that has almost the same number of players on the field as a football team to show how lacking your argument and calling everyone a "moron" is...................

You specifically took the discussion from football to baseball. It's irrelevant to this discussion. You have nothing, we're done here.

 

[pancakeman]

Wait, another QB taking a team friendly extension is bad news for the Cowboys as they approach having to extend Dak?!

Wouldn't teams overpaying instead put the Cowboys in a more "precarious situation" by raising the market?

 

[G2]

I think Wentz's "discount" was driven as much by his injury history as anything else. The Eagles invested heavily in a guy who has had issues staying on the field.

The thing that I would be worried about is that this has been his issue starting in college. And not being available kills seasons. They were fortunate to have Foles fill in. What now?

 

[Birdgang]

100 million guaranteed isn’t a hometown discount no matter how you slice it.

That's injury guarantee which you know is different right ?

 

[Reverend Conehead]

The Cowboys are only in a "precarious situation" if they allow themselves to be pigeonholed into it. They don't have to be. There is no one who can order Dallas to sign Dak to an exorbitant contract, save for the Cowboys themselves. If they want to let Dak walk, they can. If they want to low-ball him to a low contract and dare him to sign elsewhere, they can. Dak is replaceable.

We need to stop this NFL trend of team finances being held hostage by one marquee QB who eats up a disproportionately large amount of the cap.

This is an excellent post. I want the team to offer Dak something commensurate with his value, but not to overpay. If he walks, then the team pursues other options. It's never easy, but you're spot-on that it's not smart to get pigeonholed into paying too much. I'm glad the team didn't overpay to keep Demarco Murray. While it is harder to find a QB, I don't want the team to overpay for Dak either.

This team has only used a number 1 draft pick on a QB twice in its history. I'm okay with doing that a third time if Dak ends up being too expensive. I'm not a Dak hater. Just keeping it real.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Lets make no mistake about this, Wentz gave the Eagles a massive hometown discount. With remaining money owed ($154 M) and 6 years that is an avg of $25.7 Mill year. If Wentz even sniffs another MVP type year, that contract becomes most favorable team contract in all of sports. Wentz is only the #9th highest paid QB in football with top 3 potential. Garoppolo & Stafford are still ahead of him in avg yearly number (let that sink in). Wentz contract will allow Eagles to be aggressive in FA or resigning their players.

Now for Cowboys, Wentz hometown discount contract put Dallas in a bad spot because Dak will want more. That won't play out well on national or local level because most see Wentz as superior talent. Every game Dak contract will be compared to Wentz. Every losing streak will come back to Dak contract. Its really this simple. Since Wentz & Dak new contracts are happening at same time, If Dak makes more money then he has to out-perform Wentz over next six years. IMO thats wishful thinking.

Wentz didn't do anyone a favor. He was under contract for another 2 years.

He got new money at the going rate. Same thing will/wood happen to Dak.

When Dak signs, say for a 4 year extension, it will be viewed as a 5 year pact when really it shouldn't be.

 

[MCMetal69]

You specifically took the discussion from football to baseball. It's irrelevant to this discussion. You have nothing, we're done here.

1st off , you decide nothing here , and secondly it was your arrogance that led you to drool "team game" ; and when presented with other examples in team sports that proved your statement was dubious at best , you believe you determine what applies and what doesn't..............That's not how it works.

You are nothing................Accept it and move on......................

 

[JoeKing]

Lets make no mistake about this, Wentz gave the Eagles a massive hometown discount. With remaining money owed ($154 M) and 6 years that is an avg of $25.7 Mill year. If Wentz even sniffs another MVP type year, that contract becomes most favorable team contract in all of sports. Wentz is only the #9th highest paid QB in football with top 3 potential. Garoppolo & Stafford are still ahead of him in avg yearly number (let that sink in). Wentz contract will allow Eagles to be aggressive in FA or resigning their players.

Now for Cowboys, Wentz hometown discount contract put Dallas in a bad spot because Dak will want more. That won't play out well on national or local level because most see Wentz as superior talent. Every game Dak contract will be compared to Wentz. Every losing streak will come back to Dak contract. Its really this simple. Since Wentz & Dak new contracts are happening at same time, If Dak makes more money then he has to out-perform Wentz over next six years. IMO thats wishful thinking.

Flawed premise. Wentz hasn't been able to finish a season so for that reason, the discount he gave the iggles was apropos. Dak on the other hand has played just as well or better and proven to be durable. Dak will want more because he has earned it. There is no controversy here except in the minds of Dak haters.