Why does an athlete need $30m instead of $20m?

[CouchCoach]

Easily. Which is why I would take the contract and go where I would rather be. Since both easily set you for life, I'm looking more at personal happiness. For instance, I pretty much would never go to a NY or LA team. I would absolutely hate living there.

Well, Bubba, Luchenbach ain't getting the expansion franchise.

A lot of the players just rent a place during the season and make their home where they want. Or like McClain, torch the homestead and move to Dallas. The Purple Drank Pyro!

 

[kskboys]

Well, Bubba, Luchenbach ain't getting the expansion franchise.

A lot of the players just rent a place during the season and make their home where they want. Or like McClain, torch the homestead and move to Dallas. The Purple Drank Pyro!

Dannnnnnnggg iiiitttt. And I donated a nickel and 6 possum bellies to the cause!!!!!!

 

[Red Dragon]

Why does Jerry Jones need 6 billion dollars?

Again, it's not the same. There is no salary cap for owners; how much or little Jerry earns has no effect on the Cowboys winning games. Whereas there is a salary cap for players. More money for one player (i.e., Zeke) means less money for others, means less talent that can be signed, equals less chance of an SB.

 

[Tabascocat]

The more $$$ one earns, the more bills you pay. When you get into that kind of money, a lavish lifestyle takes over for most. It is a free market, make/want every penny that you can get while able

 

[thechosen1n2]

Not another Dak thread - but someone please explain to me, from the perspective of a pro athlete, just what makes $30 million/year so badly necessary more than $20 million/year?

Yes, I know, more is always better. Yes I know, inflation. But there is virtually nothing you can want with $30 million/year that you couldn't have with $20 million/year, especially considering that there is no state income tax in Texas (unlike, say, an athlete in California or New York). You want big mansions? You got 'em - you can buy several every year. You want Lamborghinis, Ferraris, Porsches, Corvettes, Bugattis, Maseratis? You can buy a dozen each year. You want hordes of women flocking to you? Well, you would have had that with even just $2 million a year, let alone $20 million. You want to send your kids to private school, make sure your family is financially set for life? Again, you sure don't need an income of $30 million a year to do that.

This isn't even taking into account the fact that many such athletes are making plenty of money on the side through advertisements, endorsements, and other ancillary income.

Where I'm going with this is: The difference between $20 million/year and $30 million/year is virtually nil for a pro athlete - either way, he's positively bathing in wealth. But it makes a big difference to a pro team's salary cap, on the other hand. The $10 million difference could mean the difference between an NFL team being able to sign additional talent that could propel them over the top, or not being able to.

Is it simply about "Such-and-such an athlete got so-and-so much, so I want just as much?" Or, "I want to be THE highest paid so I can feel like No. 1?"

The thing is why is the teams salary cap more important than the players long term future. The teams salary cap only allows the owner to keep more money in his pocket. If Im a player I want market value because at the end of the day the team/owner is still making money. Billions of Dollars at that.

 

[IrishAnto]

No, I did not bring up risk. Another poster did that. I simply said that the days of NFL football being life threatening, outside of existential circumstances are over. The game is no longer that way.

Nobody ever said Dak wouldn't get paid. The question is, how much should the team pay. That's what's being discussed in this thread.

QUOTE="ABQCOWBOY, post: 9250310, member: 318"]Owners take all the risk. Players do not. I am not trying to make the point that players don't have skin in the game because they do but owners really do bare the overwhelming burden of risk and because of this, they make more money.[/QUOTE]
I take it you can read your own post?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You act like we are unaware of how all this works. We understand all of this and have discussed it all. Doesn't mean that a player is entitled to top money. Economic factors are also involved here. You have to have a team who is willing to pay the kind of money we are talking about. If you do not have that, then the market is not there for a contract that constitutes 30 mil plus annually.

For the record, I agree that if Dak had made All Pro, his chances for a contract such as this would be much better. However, he has not been named to the All Pro team so obviously it doesn't help his case.

There is no 'we.' You are acting like you do not understand LTBE yearly salaries/bonuses or guaranteed monies role in defining a player's market for potential salary. You were waving your hands at the nonguaranteed portions and now have decided to move the goalpost to "market factors."

That last bit is cute considering I anticipated that when I brought up the scarcity of supply. This notion that there would not be a line of teams looking to sign a FA pro bowl QB is laughable if not surprising.

Anywho, this is boring. I see now that this is once again you arguing towards a conclusion -in this case Dak not deserving $30m in AAV- and will just spew whatever you think might lead you towards said conclusion. That is the opposite of scientific and quite frankly piss poor epistemology. It is just what you do and I am now wasting my time anymore.

Last word is all you.

 

[John813]

Again, it's not the same. There is no salary cap for owners; how much or little Jerry earns has no effect on the Cowboys winning games. Whereas there is a salary cap for players. More money for one player (i.e., Zeke) means less money for others, means less talent that can be signed, equals less chance of an SB.

IMO very few players care about rings over cash.

This is a cut throat business where even the good players can't go out in style. It's more often they go out like Romo, benched then cut, than finishing their career with a SB win like Manning.

For Zeke, his position usually doesn't get 2nd big contracts. For the lucky few that do, it's only a one time offer then their 3rd contract is either a fraction of the 2nd deal or a 1 year deal. It's a short life span, and for every AP or Gore, there are tons of running backs realizing their career is over before they are 30.

Dallas seems to be on the right path right, for now anyways. Re-sign the truly good/great players and continue to draft well so you can let the decent players go that want that top coin.

They may have to decide to let Byron Jones walk, and if so, so be it. Patriots let "good" players go too, but usually trade them before they hit free agency for picks.

 

[G2]

Many said that Romo would never find another team before his second contract. Heck he could come out of the booth now and teams would go for it. And if he was to be there starting QB then even one year deal would get him a payday.

Exactly. QBs don't grow on trees. Fans should appreciate how lucky we are with Prescott. I don't get the hatred, I guess every player needs to be a HOFer.

 

[dckid]

Not another Dak thread - but someone please explain to me, from the perspective of a pro athlete, just what makes $30 million/year so badly necessary more than $20 million/year?

Yes, I know, more is always better. Yes I know, inflation. But there is virtually nothing you can want with $30 million/year that you couldn't have with $20 million/year, especially considering that there is no state income tax in Texas (unlike, say, an athlete in California or New York). You want big mansions? You got 'em - you can buy several every year. You want Lamborghinis, Ferraris, Porsches, Corvettes, Bugattis, Maseratis? You can buy a dozen each year. You want hordes of women flocking to you? Well, you would have had that with even just $2 million a year, let alone $20 million. You want to send your kids to private school, make sure your family is financially set for life? Again, you sure don't need an income of $30 million a year to do that.

This isn't even taking into account the fact that many such athletes are making plenty of money on the side through advertisements, endorsements, and other ancillary income.

Where I'm going with this is: The difference between $20 million/year and $30 million/year is virtually nil for a pro athlete - either way, he's positively bathing in wealth. But it makes a big difference to a pro team's salary cap, on the other hand. The $10 million difference could mean the difference between an NFL team being able to sign additional talent that could propel them over the top, or not being able to.

Is it simply about "Such-and-such an athlete got so-and-so much, so I want just as much?" Or, "I want to be THE highest paid so I can feel like No. 1?"

Sorry nothing to like about this post. The player is always right to take the money. Why should the team owner want to sell his franchise for 5 billion vs 4 billion? What is he/she going to do with that extra billion? The owners family is already set for generations. We as fans live to criticize players for wanting to get paid. It should be the exact opposite. We should always root for players to get paid more money. There is no straight line for the player making 30 vs 20 compared to what we pay for parking or season tickets. The owners make the vast majority of their money from the TV contract and all other rights deals. Like other people have mentioned careers are short and they can be out of the league in an instant. Never begrudge a player for making what a team pays them. Owners are not stupid, they NEVER lose money in the NFL.

 

[dogunwo]

I think most fans don't care how much money a player makes, except for how it affects the team overall. Personally, I would completely ignore player salaries if it weren't for the salary cap. That's the one and only reason why I care what a player makes. If a player gets paid so much that the team has to scrimp in other important areas and thus weaken the team, that bothers me. But the fact that a player can afford to live in a super nice house and own multiple luxury cars, go on expensive vacations, etc., I don't even think about or care about that at all.

I get it, but I assure you, no one on this board in Dak's position, would take 34% less to make fans happy, or to give the team a discount. The same team that fans on this board claim the front office doesn't know what they're doing. The same front office that Dak can see hasn't been able to manage things with him playing at a discount for the last few years. It isn't like Dak taking less money is going to prevent someone from being unemployed. If a player gets cut because of Dak's salary then hopefully they are good enough to catch on with another team. If not, oh well, should have been a better player and created more leverage for yourself. If I were Dak, and the team was trying to convince me to take less to benefit another player, then I'd ask them to show me a detailed plan. I am not losing my opportunity to maximize my dollars so that another player has the chance to maximize theirs.
In an interview, Romo said he sacrificed a little so that Demarco Murray could be re-signed. Guess what? They didn't sign Murray anyway and the team pocketed the cap difference.

 

[ESisback]

Yep and it seems worse with CBS, was just as bad with Nantz and Simms. They had and he has it with Romo as well that two man radio disease. They forget they're broadcasting and talk to each other and both have soft voices.

The also got burned several years back because of that balance of live event sound that they want. One of the fans under their booth was not just vocal but Boston vocal and they got a warning from the FCC that any more of that "too incidental" language and they'd be facing a substantial fine. I happened to be watching that game and Nantz and Simms were aware of it as they tried to keep the silence down and they should have had security either toss that guy or move him because I think he became aware that he was getting famous in the background.

Boston vocal? Just spit coffee.

 

[kskboys]

Sorry nothing to like about this post. The player is always right to take the money. Why should the team owner want to sell his franchise for 5 billion vs 4 billion? What is he/she going to do with that extra billion? The owners family is already set for generations. We as fans live to criticize players for wanting to get paid. It should be the exact opposite. We should always root for players to get paid more money. There is no straight line for the player making 30 vs 20 compared to what we pay for parking or season tickets. The owners make the vast majority of their money from the TV contract and all other rights deals. Like other people have mentioned careers are short and they can be out of the league in an instant. Never begrudge a player for making what a team pays them. Owners are not stupid, they NEVER lose money in the NFL.

Players in general, absolutely. And the portion assigned to players keeps going up, so we are getting exactly what you are wanting.

Now, since I'm a fan of a sports team, I'm for whatever brings my team a super bowl. And overpaying players is a known way to keep from that. So, I'm not for paying an individual player a huge amount.

And if a certain player gets a huge amount, then that will leave less for others.

So, why are you for most players making less money?

 

[kskboys]

I get it, but I assure you, no one on this board in Dak's position, would take 34% less to make fans happy, or to give the team a discount. The same team that fans on this board claim the front office doesn't know what they're doing. The same front office that Dak can see hasn't been able to manage things with him playing at a discount for the last few years. It isn't like Dak taking less money is going to prevent someone from being unemployed. If a player gets cut because of Dak's salary then hopefully they are good enough to catch on with another team. If not, oh well, should have been a better player and created more leverage for yourself. If I were Dak, and the team was trying to convince me to take less to benefit another player, then I'd ask them to show me a detailed plan. I am not losing my opportunity to maximize my dollars so that another player has the chance to maximize theirs.
In an interview, Romo said he sacrificed a little so that Demarco Murray could be re-signed. Guess what? They didn't sign Murray anyway and the team pocketed the cap difference.

No they didn't. There's also a salary minimum, so the Cowboys didn't make money by not resigning Murray

 

[Bohuntr97]

No they didn't. There's also a salary minimum, so the Cowboys didn't make money by not resigning Murray

Pretty much. They just spent it on other players.

 

[uvaballa]

Why are fans worried about what athletes are being paid? Why do movie starts command huge salaries? Because it’s the going rate duhh and the team will make more than that from the player.

 

[Whirlwin]

Is there, like, a book that outlines the "market" somewhere? I keep hearing things like going rate and Market Value but I haven't really seen anything that dictates you have to pay anybody anything, in terms of set contract values.

IDK

People want to control the salaries but they don't want to stop drinking beer. LOL many think the stadium pays the players salaries. The stadium doesn't even pay for the lights in the stadium. I think people need to realize what actually sets the salary.

 

[Whirlwin]

I think people need to realize where the salary it's coming from. And tell me you wouldn't take a part of it. TV Revenue bear commercials mostly. Zillion dollar industry.

 

[dogunwo]

No they didn't. There's also a salary minimum, so the Cowboys didn't make money by not resigning Murray

My comment wasn't about the profit of the team, it was about the salary cap. They didn't do anything with the "extra" space. They rolled it over to next season.

 

[dallas72]

It's a prestigious figure aswell ...top paid means alot to players..Not everyone has a wife worth 400 million like Brady lol