Dak-Deniers/Fact Haters, What Will Dak Have to Do for You to Eat Crow?

[ShortRound]

I think some of you would rather be "right" than have the Cowboys win. Y'all need to grow up.

Dak with is fault is the QB I root for. I hope he wins, but I've seen him make some awful decisions and throws.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

By "patterns" do you mean like winning? Making the pro bowl?

Those kinds of patterns?

oh please don't bring up probowls...its a joke for the past 10 years...and did you know he made probowl last year after others dropped out!!!! he was the I think the 3erd alternate!!! seriously

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I had to take the offseason off of this place because I'm a pragmatist: I go with what works.

Dak Prescott as the Dallas Cowboys quarterback works.

And the numbers prove it.

Numbers are facts, to me at least. Most stats can tell you something in the context of the team... Dak has the stats of a winner. He wins. He's proven that.

So, I get tired of arguing with people who think Dak's a loser — for whatever reason.

That facts are, almost every single statistic you point at proves he's not.

So, what would Dake have to do in 2019 for all of the Dak-hating, fact-denying quarterback know-it-alls to eat crow on Dak being a legit quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys?

I was Romo's first fan. I loved watching him play. But I'm happy to be moving forward with Dak.

What would he have to do to make you happy?

The "haters" are more about responding to the "anointers" than they are about hating on Dak if you asked me. Most folks are guardedly optimistic about Dak but understand that he's not there yet and there are no guarantees.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Niners threw the ball over all over the place as did other teams in the Aikman era. The difference with Aikman, is like Dak, he played in a run first offense. You simply don't get huge passing yard numbers in a run first offense.

Hopefully, the balance begins to shift more towards the passing game this season.

no they didn't. they had Roger Craig who was a big part of their offense....joe montana in 1990 made top 3 in passing. he had several years where he was middle of the pack...….

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Troy Aikman's pass attempts from 92 to 95

92 - 473
93 - 392
94 - 361
95 - 465

Smith in that same time frame had amost 400 carries every season outside of 93

I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but it's not remotely close or comparable. And I imagine our clock control in the 90s was far better too.

part of the reason is that cowboys tended to have the lead in many game late and just ran the ball to kill the clock....as opposed to being behind and having to throw to win the games...plus its the 90s game vs. today that clearly, clearly clearly favors the passer...you can't even touch the QB or you get a yellow flag seemingly

 

[CouchCoach]

part of the reason is that cowboys tended to have the lead in many game late and just ran the ball to kill the clock....as opposed to being behind and having to throw to win the games...plus its the 90s game vs. today that clearly, clearly clearly favors the passer...you can't even touch the QB or you get a yellow flag seemingly

If Aikman had the rules these QB's have to protect them, especially Brady, back in his day, he might have played 3 more years.

Where were these refs and candyass QB protects when Aikman was being body slammed, damaging his shoulder, by the Eagles in the 11 sack game? Or Romo was being piledriven into the turf?

They should just make it two hands above the waist for QB's.

 

[CouchCoach]

no they didn't. they had Roger Craig who was a big part of their offense....joe montana in 1990 made top 3 in passing. he had several years where he was middle of the pack...….

Craig and Rathman were a large part of the WCO because it was designed as much to free up the running lanes. The major difference in the WCO and traditional offenses was Walsh used the pass to open up the run but he still ran the ball. Shanahan applied those some principles in DEN with plug n play RB's and a devastating blocking scheme.

 

[Big D]

Most of the people with the extreme and unwarranted criticism of Dak just plain do not like Dak. I think most will not concretely answer what it will take for Dak be a viable qb option in their eyes because they just don't like Dak. If they say what they'd like to see Dak do and he does it the reasons for disliking him go away but their dislike does not.

It seems people forget flip flopping from game to game with weeden and cassell not being able to convert a 1st down let alone win a game. There's more disdain for Dak then there was for those two, ryan leaf, and most of the other bozos that came through here combined. Why?

 

[mattjames2010]

Most of the people with the extreme and unwarranted criticism of Dak just plain do not like Dak. I think most will not concretely answer what it will take for Dak be a viable qb option in their eyes because they just don't like Dak. If they say what they'd like to see Dak do and he does it the reasons for disliking him go away but their dislike does not.

It seems people forget flip flopping from game to game with weeden and cassell not being able to convert a 1st down let alone win a game. There's more disdain for Dak then there was for those two, ryan leaf, and most of the other bozos that came through here combined. Why?

LOL are you kidding? This place freakin' hated Weeden and Cassel was brought in mid-season and eventually benched.

 

[Pantone282C]

I like supporting the Cowboys. I have followed them since the 60s. I usually know the good players from bad, and I know that every player has strengths and weaknesses. It's been rewarding to follow some of the insights found here.

With all due respect to the intentions of the OP, I dislike the way some forum topics seem to devolve from the original topic into personal attacks involving 'haters' and 'homers.' Different opinions do not change who the Cowboys are, but I think they threaten the peace of mind of some.

How very sad. IMO, the inability to refrain from vitriol degrades my personal experience of following a forum. While I am not fragile flower, I am a fan who wants to enjoy the Cowboys without being reminded of some of the harsh realities of daily life. Some of you guys need to learn to smell the roses.

 

[Garrettop]

Dak "lovers" started using Brady as a comparison his rookie season - don't cry that Brady is now the standard Dak is still being held to. Now that Dak's flaws are glaring, you folks want to knock him down to the point you compare him to middling QBs like Alex Smith.

Because there were legitimate comparisons between rookie Dak and rookie Brady. There are not legitimate comparisons between 2nd or 3rd year Dak and Brady's current teams performances, or even his individual performances with a 15 year advantage in experience.

I'm amused at your language though. "Glaring flaws." I guess we will see how Dak does this year.

 

[CouchCoach]

I like supporting the Cowboys. I have followed them since the 60s. I usually know the good players from bad, and I know that every player has strengths and weaknesses. It's been rewarding to follow some of the insights found here.

With all due respect to the intentions of the OP, I dislike the way some forum topics seem to devolve from the original topic into personal attacks involving 'haters' and 'homers.' Different opinions do not change who the Cowboys are, but I think they threaten the peace of mind of some.

How very sad. IMO, the inability to refrain from vitriol degrades my personal experience of following a forum. While I am not fragile flower, I am a fan who wants to enjoy the Cowboys without being reminded of some of the harsh realities of daily life. Some of you guys need to learn to smell the roses.

Great post and very well said.

Maybe a sign at the entrance: "Members, please check your attitude at the door".

 

[Frozen700]

Be more consistent, show more accuracy, show a better ability to scan the field, show more of an ability to make the tougher throws, be a little more daring, improve his deep ball, and be more of a play maker with his legs, and throwing guys open.

It's a lot, but for a pro, getting millions, it Should be do able. If he can show the guys, smarts, and accuracy of Romo, and a ability to make plays with his legs, I'll love him.

Right now the only thing he's proven to be able to do in my eyes, are just sometimes hit the open guy, and make a bunch of short passes.

 

[coult44]

Dak is going to make me happy when he wins a superbowl this year. And I cant wait to laugh at all the zoners who dint want to pay the man now when his price jumps to 35 a year. He might even be the mvp. Guy thrives in big moments.

The problem with all you folks (both sides) is that you care about being right more than you care about the Boys winning or being a contender.
Listen to the logic in your statement, “I’m going to laugh at the Zoners who didn’t want to pay the man”
So if they pay Dak 35 a year, then he gets injured, then they win the SB anyways, are you still gonna laugh at them? Or would they have the right to laugh at you?
All of you guys are so full of yourselves that you don’t really care about the Cowboys winning, you care If your little opinions are right or wrong. Why Is it such a problem with everyone here for other’s to have different opinions? It speaks volumes of who you are when you want everyone to have the same opinion that you have about everything!!

As for the Cowboys winning the Super Bowl, we will see. It’s been a quarter of a century since the Boys have even competed for a conference championship, let alone a super bowl. Every year at this time it’s the same. We have conversations about our team like they are in the top half of the NFL. We act like they belong in that conversation of teams who will be the front horses for a SB title run. If you want to laugh at something, laugh at that. Until the Cowboys can prove that they belong in that conversation by just making it to a conference title game, ease up a little bit on those dreams

 

[CowboyRoy]

As always, you put words in my mouth. Let's quote what I actually said

"Believing that a team that has gone decades without a Super Bowl or gotten out of the divisional round under the same management and coach staff won't win a Super Bowl is not being a "troll""

HIS standards are that winning a Super Bowl is what will make him a believer in Dak (though, I mean, he seems to already be because he's just the biggest Cowboys fan around, bro!)

So, anything else?

So are you NOT saying that we wont win a SB with Dak?

 

[Little Jr]

Dak is no different than Romo. The ones who didn't like him never liked him and no matter what he did it wasn't going to change. Dak could win the next 2 super bowls and there will still be some who will give him no credit and say it was because the talent around him and anyone can win with that team.

On the other side of that, there will be some who will never give Dak blame and blame everyone around him.

This stuff happens with all fan bases and it's happened with this one with Dak, Romo and even Troy.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What has Dak "won" up to this point? Wildcard rounds? If that's what "winning" is to you, your expectations for this franchise are low. Either way, "W/L" is not an individual stat.

And LOL "Pro-bowls" - he made it to the 2018 Pro-Bowl as an injury replacement, bud.

What has Dak "won" up to this point? What would you have expected him to win at this point in his first 3 years?

"W/L" is not an individual stat. Didnt you just cut up Dak because he hasnt won enough yet? I guess winning only matters when it suits your agenda. ​

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

While what you say is true, it doesn’t really provide a good point. Roger and Troy played in the 70s and 90s, respectively. When compared to their peers of the time, they were outstanding. The passing averages today are quite different than what they were...in pretty much every category.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm

Of course it is. But I was pointing out the absurdity of that specific argument, which is par from the yapster

 

[HoplessCowboysFan36]

The problem with all you folks (both sides) is that you care about being right more than you care about the Boys winning or being a contender.
Listen to the logic in your statement, “I’m going to laugh at the Zoners who didn’t want to pay the man”
So if they pay Dak 35 a year, then he gets injured, then they win the SB anyways, are you still gonna laugh at them? Or would they have the right to laugh at you?
All of you guys are so full of yourselves that you don’t really care about the Cowboys winning, you care If your little opinions are right or wrong. Why Is it such a problem with everyone here for other’s to have different opinions? It speaks volumes of who you are when you want everyone to have the same opinion that you have about everything!!

As for the Cowboys winning the Super Bowl, we will see. It’s been a quarter of a century since the Boys have even competed for a conference championship, let alone a super bowl. Every year at this time it’s the same. We have conversations about our team like they are in the top half of the NFL. We act like they belong in that conversation of teams who will be the front horses for a SB title run. If you want to laugh at something, laugh at that. Until the Cowboys can prove that they belong in that conversation by just making it to a conference title game, ease up a little bit on those dreams

I would love to be proved wrong if it makes us win. Thats all I really care about. The funny thing is you said Dak would have to get hurt for my argument to be laughed at.

 

[mattjames2010]

Because there were legitimate comparisons between rookie Dak and rookie Brady. There are not legitimate comparisons between 2nd or 3rd year Dak and Brady's current teams performances, or even his individual performances with a 15 year advantage in experience.

I'm amused at your language though. "Glaring flaws." I guess we will see how Dak does this year.

There were never legitimate comparisons. Never. There were reaches.

Now, after 3 seasons, you see those comparisons as being incredibly silly. Us "Dak haters" pointed out his footwork problems, trouble fitting the ball into tight windows, inaccurate deep ball, etc. All of this was there his rookie year - having 15 minutes behind the line covers a lot of flaws.

And we will see this year, Dak has been struggling with his footwork since college - you think he's finally just going to get it during his fourth year in the pros?