What's gonna happen at WR?

[buybuydandavis]

if tavon Austin plays the same as last season he will spend most of the season on the bench from have a injury he really didn't contribute much at all last season don't think he will this one either

Austin was enormously productive per touch for us. His injury problems last year were the exception in his career, not the rule.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm looking to see these guys compete for roster spots. I agree the top 3 of Cooper, Gallup and Cobb the rest will battle it out

 

[buybuydandavis]

Hurns is evidently a great guy and the team likes him. But he was a complete non-factor when he had the chance to be. I completely agree he's an insurance policy.

Hurns was extremely productive per target after game 6 2018.
Up to game 6 8/21 84
After game 6 12/14 211

I'll judge Hurns on his body of work and most recent work, not just his first 6 games with the Cowboys when the offense as a whole had lots of issues.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Cobb had low production the last couple years in GB..and yes I think he is actually an upgrade. BUT...its better to have some numbers at the position, than NOT. Why not CYA at wr and not soley bank on Cobb regaining his pro bowl form? I think its prudent to keep as many wr's on the active roster as we can afford. LET THE COMPETITION BEGIN. lol..I love it..this may be the best wr group we have had in Dallas in many years. Hurns is another guy I just love...he does many little things that you don't see. Moores offense may well boost his targets.

Cobb's yards per target in 2018 were worse than any WR or TE still with the team. Including Rico.

Everyone is saying how wonderful he is here. Such great chemistry with Dak. Maybe it's true. Maybe he was injured last year and is fully healthy now.

But in Cobb's last *4* years with Aaron Rogers as QB he was mediocre in ypt, with his *best* season at 7.3. That only beats Schultz, Brown, and Gathers in 2018.

Repeat. Cobb's *best* ypt in the last four years only beats Schultz, Brown, and Gathers.

We shouldn't be banking on Cobb as a major threat.

And note that the NFL free agent market sure as hell didn't think Cobb was an upgrade over Beasley.

 

[starfan1]

Austin was enormously productive per touch for us. His injury problems last year were the exception in his career, not the rule.

Id like to find a way to argue this point but your right per touch he was in the passing game. In the running game not so much. at least he didn't turn the ball over which was a concern of mine coming in. Id love to keep him if he can get back to 2015 and 2016 stats without the turnovers but in this offense it isn't going to happen hes too far down in the pecking order. Hes a gimmick guy in this offense and i think we can find a guy to do what he does much cheaper.

if it comes down to a numbers game and we can only keep 6 I'm not sure I want him to be one of the 6 we have some talent at that spot.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Beyond the starters I think you see Cobb in the most sub packages in the slot with Pollard next. After that its anyones guess. Everyone else is very expendable

Brown is close to being a lock as good a prospect and ST player as he is. The first 3 are all but locked up, I see Brown getting at least 5 so 1 maybe 2 slots left.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Id like to find a way to argue this point but your right per touch he was in the passing game. In the running game not so much. at least he didn't turn the ball over which was a concern of mine coming in. Id love to keep him if he can get back to 2015 and 2016 stats without the turnovers but in this offense it isn't going to happen hes too far down in the pecking order. Hes a gimmick guy in this offense and i think we can find a guy to do what he does much cheaper.

if it comes down to a numbers game and we can only keep 6 I'm not sure I want him to be one of the 6 we have some talent at that spot.

Rushing, 9.2 yards per attempt. But being Dallas, why would we keep running a guy with that productivity?

Austin is the perfect complementary slot WR for the base offense when we want to run. He's a run threat *and* a deep threat. Both make life easier for Zeke.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Brown is close to being a lock as good a prospect and ST player as he is. The first 3 are all but locked up, I see Brown getting at least 5 so 1 maybe 2 slots left.

Brown is a teeny tiny blocking TE who has given nothing as a WR. For a teeny tiny blocking TE, Brown blocks well, but we've got actual TEs who block better and are bigger receiving threats.

 

[starfan1]

Rushing, 9.2 yards per attempt. But being Dallas, why would we keep running a guy with that productivity?

Austin is the perfect complementary slot WR for the base offense when we want to run. He's a run threat *and* a deep threat. Both make life easier for Zeke.

I need to do some research because all i remember is when he was in the game every one knew what was coming.I seem to remember alot of 2 to 3 yard pick ups he must have broke 1 to increase his average. But that being said his price tag for what he brings is a bit pricey dont you think? when we have alot of young talent your going to let go to keep him.

 

[Number1]

There will be a lot of talk about these but they likely go to the practice squad:
Johnson
Guyton
Davis

I have a feeling one of them will play often this year, I'd like to see more tape on all of them. But they didn't bring in 3 un-drafted WRs with 4.3 speed by accident. My money's on Guyton.

IMO, they really plan to play long ball and think they can keep Dak standing long enough to do it.
If they have to dump to Zeke or Pollard, Jason or Blake, to move chains ... ok

 

[Scotman]

Hurns was extremely productive per target after game 6 2018.
Up to game 6 8/21 84
After game 6 12/14 211

I'll judge Hurns on his body of work and most recent work, not just his first 6 games with the Cowboys when the offense as a whole had lots of issues.

Those are good points

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Now, you know someone will get injured, suspended, etc. Gotta have 5 or 6.

Damnit!
You always take their side!
I say keep 4 and 1 on the practice squad or stash him in the PUP.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

And if one goes down with injury you’ll start playing CB’s at WR? RB’s?

I have been working out.
I could take you out, lad, with a rugby heave-ho move.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I need to do some research because all i remember is when he was in the game every one knew what was coming.I seem to remember alot of 2 to 3 yard pick ups he must have broke 1 to increase his average. But that being said his price tag for what he brings is a bit pricey dont you think? when we have alot of young talent your going to let go to keep him.

"everyone knew what was coming"
Displays the incompetence of Linehan. The *whole* point to adding other run threats on the field with Zeke is to make defenses *unsure* of what is coming.

Spotrac has him listed at 1.75mil for the year. That seems like peanuts to me.

It's hard to dole out 55 yard on 6 plays to make it look bad. I'll take one 40 yard play and 5 3 yard plays.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AustTa00/splits/2018/
The finest split is by opponent.
1, 7, 2 for 14, 15,18

I like that spread much better.

 

[Number1]

Hurns was extremely productive per target after game 6 2018.
Up to game 6 8/21 84
After game 6 12/14 211

I'll judge Hurns on his body of work and most recent work, not just his first 6 games with the Cowboys when the offense as a whole had lots of issues.

I like Hurns, hope he's healthy, he will get a shot at backing up Gallup,
and playing some X and Z if they mean what thy say this time

Even if Hurns is good to go I think Wilson is the better player

and we seriously need a true X, Wilson runs an awesome slant and may have the best hands of the bunch

 

[buybuydandavis]

Even if Hurns is good to go I think Wilson is the better player

Wilson was a 6th round pick who missed all the regular season of his rookie year and has yet to catch a ball in the NFL.

Hurns has 5 seasons, over 200 receptions, almost 3000 yards, and a top season of over 1000 yards.

On what grounds is Wilson supposed to be a better player than Hurns?

 

[Doomsday101]

Cobb's yards per target in 2018 were worse than any WR or TE still with the team. Including Rico.

Everyone is saying how wonderful he is here. Such great chemistry with Dak. Maybe it's true. Maybe he was injured last year and is fully healthy now.

But in Cobb's last *4* years with Aaron Rogers as QB he was mediocre in ypt, with his *best* season at 7.3. That only beats Schultz, Brown, and Gathers in 2018.

Repeat. Cobb's *best* ypt in the last four years only beats Schultz, Brown, and Gathers.

We shouldn't be banking on Cobb as a major threat.

And note that the NFL free agent market sure as hell didn't think Cobb was an upgrade over Beasley.

Cobb has dealt with injuries that has slowed him yet he still produced more yards after catch than Cole. He has the ability to lineup outside of the slot, Cole is strictly a slot guy. Injuries are a concern with Cobb but when healthy is more of a threat than Cole.

 

[jrumann59]

Austin and Beasley were the only players that returned Punts in 2018.

Beasley is gone.

Austin is relatively cheap at 1.75M.

He had 500K guaranteed which means the cost to keep him vs cutting him is 1.25M.

The cost to keep Hurns is 4M. It seems much more likely Austin stays than Hurns.

Pollard was a great Kick Returner in college but was not the Punt Returner (87 KRs for 2616 yards, 2 PR for 11 yards).

IIRC one of the DBs was a punt returner. I think Austin is talented but he is fragile and Ihave little faith in that groin muscle that supposedly pulled off the bone last year and healed without surgery.

 

[Number1]

Wilson was a 6th round pick who missed all the regular season of his rookie year and has yet to catch a ball in the NFL.

Hurns has 5 seasons, over 200 receptions, almost 3000 yards, and a top season of over 1000 yards.

On what grounds is Wilson supposed to be a better player than Hurns?

he's the only true X on this team, he's the closest player on this team to a TO, Dez, or Antonio Brown

he doesn't have killer speed, but he's faster than Dez or TWill

he is a control WR with the great hands and runs the best slant on the team, this is still a timing O

look at all the short ducks he snatches out of the air and the arm tackles he shrugs off

BTW, longer run (2 years out) Wilson at X, Gallup at Y, and Cooper at Z, + Guyton and ?
remembering he biggest change tto this O is that all these guys will play all 3 spots in a game

 

[xwalker]

IIRC one of the DBs was a punt returner. I think Austin is talented but he is fragile and Ihave little faith in that groin muscle that supposedly pulled off the bone last year and healed without surgery.

No on Awuzie, Westry and a couple of others.

I should check Jackson.