Why did we draft Zeke so high if RB is not needed to win a SB?

[blumayne38]

Could we just give zeke 6 yr 100 mill, screw the market up. Guys like kamara, Barkley, Hunt would likely wanna follow suit. Thus wrecking the RB market, and forcing NY to A. Overpay Barkley B. Let him go. Leaving zeke to continue to be the beast of the east.

W.W.W.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I'm sorry you can't comprehend the difference of a value of a position and the price you have to pay.

Air is very valuable to us even though we generally don't have to pay anything for it.

“Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.”
― Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray

 

[3rd_n_inches]

calm down guys. It wouldn't be Dallas if not for the Drama. lol.. All is well.

LIAR

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

We drafted Zeke with a top 5 pick because we felt he could be f'ing Superman behind this offensive line. Well, we were right, Zeke has been as good as advertised on the field. If not for the suspension, he would have lead the league in rushing every single year since being drafted. Now I am just talking about on the field here, he has been everything we though he would be and then some, he is a flat out beast and the best RB in the entire NFL.

Now Zeke aint stupid and he has realized that if he is the best RB in the NFL, then he needs to be the highest paid RB in the NFL. This should not have come as a surprise to anybody, its human nature. If you are the best in your profession, then naturally you want to be compensated accordingly. Now some will say he signed a contract and that is your word of honor, but we all know contracts in the NFL are ripped up and redone all the time. Teams renegotiate contracts, ask players to take pay cuts, have players restructure, ect….so nobody should get their panties in a bunch over Zeke wanting more money before his rookie contract is up. I mean, it goes both ways, Hurns was just cut even though he still had one year left on his original contract.

So this all boils down to one thing, we did we draft a RB using a top 5 pick thinking he would be the best RB in the league if we were not prepared to make him the highest paid RB in the league? Serious question.​

We were in a SB run last year vs the Rams, he was needed big time, where was he then?

 

[Jake]

We drafted Zeke with a top 5 pick because we felt he could be f'ing Superman behind this offensive line. Well, we were right, Zeke has been as good as advertised on the field. If not for the suspension, he would have lead the league in rushing every single year since being drafted. Now I am just talking about on the field here, he has been everything we though he would be and then some, he is a flat out beast and the best RB in the entire NFL.

Now Zeke aint stupid and he has realized that if he is the best RB in the NFL, then he needs to be the highest paid RB in the NFL. This should not have come as a surprise to anybody, its human nature. If you are the best in your profession, then naturally you want to be compensated accordingly. Now some will say he signed a contract and that is your word of honor, but we all know contracts in the NFL are ripped up and redone all the time. Teams renegotiate contracts, ask players to take pay cuts, have players restructure, ect….so nobody should get their panties in a bunch over Zeke wanting more money before his rookie contract is up. I mean, it goes both ways, Hurns was just cut even though he still had one year left on his original contract.

So this all boils down to one thing, we did we draft a RB using a top 5 pick thinking he would be the best RB in the league if we were not prepared to make him the highest paid RB in the league? Serious question.​

Because Jerry and Jason are trying to recreate the early 90s, even though the rules favor passing more than ever in 2019.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

A contract is a contract is a contract. His 5-year contract is not over. He needs to fulfill that contract. THEN he can be the highest-paid running back in the NFL. Not before. A man keeps his word. He signed that contract. He should keep his word. Anything else makes him a dishonorable man. I know a lot of people nowadays don't give a rat's hiney about being honorable. Well, I'm not like that. And I expect every NFL player to keep his word. I think any player, no matter how good, should have to honor his contract or be kicked out of the NFL for life. That would stop this kind of BS.

Your contract is your contract is your contract. Not honoring it should never be an option, save being unable to for medical reasons. I don't care how many bozos thing it's okay to break your word. It's not okay.

 

[Jake]

We were in a SB run last year vs the Rams, he was needed big time, where was he then?

The Rams held Kamara to 15 yards on 8 carries the next week, so I guess he sucks too. Then again, maybe it was their defense?

As for "SB run", the only SB run in the Rams game was their offense running wild on our defense.

 

[Idgit]

Air is very valuable to us even though we generally don't have to pay anything for it.

“Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.”
― Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray

Is your argument that, in the NFL marketplace the RB position is like air, and all the other positions are like regular football positions that are governed by the laws of supply and demand in a zero-sum system?

Or are you pointing out that air would most definitely not be free if there were actually a short supply of it and people needed it to live? I feel like I’m missing the point.

 

[Little Jr]

Absolutely.

CB is the most overvalued position in the NFL today, and RB is one of the most undervalued.

Not what you said.

 

[kskboys]

Not what you said.

Then what did I say? I'll tell you truthfully if I meant it. I thought I was expounding.

 

[robbieruff]

Romo needed another Murray...oops.

 

[kskboys]

True, but the CB doesn't lead to wins as the RB position does.

Ah, there it is.

Of course I'm serious. RB's who can consistently move the chains not only help the O tremendously by keeping drives going, they also make the D better by giving them time to rest between drives. The RB position simply has a much bigger effect on the TOP, which leads to wins.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Is your argument that, in the NFL marketplace the RB position is like air, and all the other positions are like regular football positions that are governed by the laws of supply and demand in a zero-sum system?

I was chiming in on the distinction between price and value I believed KSK was getting at. When that conceptual distinction is clear, that price is what you pay, while value is how much good it does you, then you can apply that distinction to players at different positions. Even to *types* of players at the same position.

The argument you ask about isn't mine, and I don't think it's KSK's either.

RB is not a uniquely mispriced position. Some positions get underpriced, some overpriced. The law of supply and demand holds for all players to set the prices for them, but it doesn't mean the market price for a player aligns to the value of the player to the team.

I think KSK makes a common argument - you can go relatively cheap at RB and still get most of the underpriced value at RB. So that while RB is a generally underpriced position, the relative underpricing of a Blount within RBs makes him an especially good deal. The most bang for the buck. Don't know if he means to say better deal than the likely price for Zeke particularly.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

So Jerrah could brag about it .

 

[CWR]

We took him because hes not just a RB. Hes an elite talent and he was at a position of need.

Not only did we need a RB, but we tailored our entire team around having said running back.

We had an oline built to dominate in the run game and a defense we needed to keep off the field.

Not only could Zeke facilitate that but he could do it at an elite level.

Four seasons later its easy to find the flaw in our logic. We could thrive and put resources into other positions with a good/great rb. We didn't need elite talent at the position. That said I was on board at the time, but I see the other side clearly now. Still I hope we re-sign him, with a conduct clause.

 

[CWR]

Air is very valuable to us even though we generally don't have to pay anything for it.

“Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.”
― Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray

Ha, nice. Sounds pretty accurate to my simple mind.

 

[Idgit]

I was chiming in on the distinction between price and value I believed KSK was getting at. When that conceptual distinction is clear, that price is what you pay, while value is how much good it does you, then you can apply that distinction to players at different positions. Even to *types* of players at the same position.

The argument you ask about isn't mine, and I don't think it's KSK's either.

RB is not a uniquely mispriced position. Some positions get underpriced, some overpriced. The law of supply and demand holds for all players to set the prices for them, but it doesn't mean the market price for a player aligns to the value of the player to the team.

I think KSK makes a common argument - you can go relatively cheap at RB and still get most of the underpriced value at RB. So that while RB is a generally underpriced position, the relative underpricing of a Blount within RBs makes him an especially good deal. The most bang for the buck. Don't know if he means to say better deal than the likely price for Zeke particularly.

It’s a closed system with only 32 buyers. The math isn’t that complicated. The value of the position groups has generally been established. Sure, teams will pay a premium, or get a discount, for specific players at a position, and that’s where the negotiations come in. But it all generally happens within a tolerance that’s governed by the general value of the position itself.

Reading his other posts in the thread here, I now see what ksk is getting at. He thinks the RB position itself is somehow undervalued by the entire market because of the importance of the running game. Missing the point that there is an abundance of players who can fill the RB role effectively and that most of them don’t last long. While the running game is important, it’s not necessary to have special players there to get the primary benefit. Which is why the position is (properly) valued the way that it is.

A guy like Zeke who stays on the field all three downs and who excels in pass protection and who doesn’t miss time for injuries (only suspensions) is worth a premium. But it’s still a short-lifecycle position that can effectively be refilled with a starter in the second or third round. The evidence for that is overwhelming.

 

[kskboys]

It’s a closed system with only 32 buyers. The math isn’t that complicated. The value of the position groups has generally been established. Sure, teams will pay a premium, or get a discount, for specific players at a position, and that’s where the negotiations come in. But it all generally happens within a tolerance that’s governed by the general value of the position itself.

Reading his other posts in the thread here, I now see what ksk is getting at. He thinks the RB position itself is somehow undervalued by the entire market because of the importance of the running game. Missing the point that there is an abundance of players who can fill the RB role effectively and that most of them don’t last long. While the running game is important, it’s not necessary to have special players there to get the primary benefit. Which is why the position is (properly) valued the way that it is.

A guy like Zeke who stays on the field all three downs and who excels in pass protection and who doesn’t miss time for injuries (only suspensions) is worth a premium. But it’s still a short-lifecycle position that can effectively be refilled with a starter in the second or third round. The evidence for that is overwhelming.

Once again, stating opinion as fact.

There are actually very few RB's who provide the chain moving short yardage stuff. Several teams have been looking for one for years. We made this miscalculation once and it cost us a season.

Special players? No. I'm against paying Zeke a huge contract. However, those tough yards RB's are much harder to find.

 

[Sydla]

Could we just give zeke 6 yr 100 mill, screw the market up. Guys like kamara, Barkley, Hunt would likely wanna follow suit. Thus wrecking the RB market, and forcing NY to A. Overpay Barkley B. Let him go. Leaving zeke to continue to be the beast of the east.

W.W.W.

LOL

 

[Sydla]

Once again, stating opinion as fact.

There are actually very few RB's who provide the chain moving short yardage stuff. Several teams have been looking for one for years. We made this miscalculation once and it cost us a season.

Special players? No. I'm against paying Zeke a huge contract. However, those tough yards RB's are much harder to find.

Stop with the miscalculation cost us a season angle.

That’s horsepoop.

2015 was a bomb because we had zero competent QBs, not because we didn’t have Murray.