How much is enough?

[MarcusRock]

Capitalism is great (until someone I look down on or don't like gets more than I do - then they're wrong for doing so)!

 

[CouchCoach]

Eventually the gravy train is going to end when things get so expensive that people stop spending their money on it. The "I want more for me" game hurts fans more than the owners and players.

If the fans stop supporting it financially, that will signal enough but that is not close to happening.

If I may borrow 3 letters from your enough? Ego, that is what drives greed and no mater how much someone has, there's always someone with more. Sam Walton broke up his billions and distributed it to his children, which is how the Rams owner got that team, but not until after he was determined to be the richest man in America. Ego goal reached.

From a player's viewpoint, how much is enough for the owner? They see how he lives, making a 250M boat public knowledge and this particular player is putting his butt out there risking injury to help pay for that boat. Those people are not paying their money to come see that old toad's face on the Boogertron, they're coming to see him and what he can do to make them feel they got their money's worth. Who earns their money? The owners or players? Any millionaire will tell you the best way to make money is with money. I do not think the word "enough" is in any owner's vocabulary when it comes to themselves, enough only applies to others.

A lot of these players equate money, and where they rank at their position, with respect. They get disrespected if not offered enough. It is the misapplication of what respect is but it is still there, just the same.

 

[Roadtrip635]

The player salaries don't continue to rise just because players want more money. It rises as the cap rises, because the the NFL and owners continue to make more and more money and find new ways to generate revenue or increase prices. The owners and NFL don't increase prices in order to pay the players, they increase the prices to make more money for themselves.

It has nothing to do with the players, the owners will continue to raise prices and find new ways to generate money from their business as long as people continue to consume and purchase their product. It's the owner's greed, the players just benefit from it and take the brunt of the wrath for the increasing prices passed along to the fans.

 

[erod]

/FLAME
Look I understand holding out to get treated fairly. But Dak and Zeke both want to be the TOP paid player EVER at their position. At least Dak is here taking care of business while he makes his demand while Zeke relaxes in the Mexican sun. Lets be clear about my position here. They both deserved to be highly paid because they bring in a ton of money for the Cowboys. But they also benefit from all previous Cowboys that gave them the platform they have today.

So while they complain that they refuse to accept a top 10 contract ticket prices rise, fans salaries don't increase and the gap between the have's (the players) and their fans increases. So I ask the question. How much money is enough? Everytime someone gets a contract the next person DEMANDS a bigger one. This soaks the fans who are ultimately paying the bill through ticket prices, merchandise and purchasing the products that the team and players endorse.

So finally Why Do the Players have to get more than anyone else ever? It screams of greed and a lack of caring that we have a balanced team or who ultimately pays those exponentially higher contracts each year.
/FLAME

...and if you had their talent, you'd do EXACTLY the same thing.

Hint, these guys don't really give a crap about winning football games these days. They want to get the biggest pile of money possible, and THEN they want to win football games.

It used to be about winning in the 70s and early 80s. Players from different teams hated each other; now they're best frieinds. Unlike the old days, players today can set themselves up for life. That's their interest.

Plus, the players union (which didn't use to exist) pushes these guys to keep upping the ante.

You'd do the same thing. So would I. We know this. But that doesn't mean we have to like it as fans, which neither of us do.

It's certainly affected my fandom, among other things.

 

[sean10mm]

The vast majority of players aren't making these kind of megabucks, either. The NFL minimum is good money compared to an average salary for sure... but the average player only does it for a couple of years before they're just in the regular job market like everybody else again. Everybody likes to talk trash about players, but almost none of them are living anything like the handful of top guys are.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Last I heard Charlie Sheen was paying 30k a month on child support for one kid. But, let he who has never asked for a raise cast the first stone.

 

[Tooter_Magee]

The vast majority of players aren't making these kind of megabucks, either. The NFL minimum is good money compared to an average salary for sure... but the average player only does it for a couple of years before they're just in the regular job market like everybody else again. Everybody likes to talk trash about players, but almost none of them are living anything like the handful of top guys are.

Well it's usually these top guys who are doing most of the *****ing. They've made more money in a few years than 99% of people make in their life. And the amounts are large enough that if they don't go crazy, they won't have to work again.

 

[Rockport]

/FLAME
Look I understand holding out to get treated fairly. But Dak and Zeke both want to be the TOP paid player EVER at their position. At least Dak is here taking care of business while he makes his demand while Zeke relaxes in the Mexican sun. Lets be clear about my position here. They both deserved to be highly paid because they bring in a ton of money for the Cowboys. But they also benefit from all previous Cowboys that gave them the platform they have today.

So while they complain that they refuse to accept a top 10 contract ticket prices rise, fans salaries don't increase and the gap between the have's (the players) and their fans increases. So I ask the question. How much money is enough? Everytime someone gets a contract the next person DEMANDS a bigger one. This soaks the fans who are ultimately paying the bill through ticket prices, merchandise and purchasing the products that the team and players endorse.

So finally Why Do the Players have to get more than anyone else ever? It screams of greed and a lack of caring that we have a balanced team or who ultimately pays those exponentially higher contracts each year.
/FLAME

It’s just negotiation by their agents. Relax and have a cold beer(s).

 

[Rockport]

...and if you had their talent, you'd do EXACTLY the same thing.

Hint, these guys don't really give a crap about winning football games these days. They want to get the biggest pile of money possible, and THEN they want to win football games.

It used to be about winning in the 70s and early 80s. Players from different teams hated each other; now they're best frieinds. Unlike the old days, players today can set themselves up for life. That's their interest.

Plus, the players union (which didn't use to exist) pushes these guys to keep upping the ante.

You'd do the same thing. So would I. We know this. But that doesn't mean we have to like it as fans, which neither of us do.

It's certainly affected my fandom, among other things.

Yes it certainly has affected you and you’re obviously unable to rise above it. I can’t handle your constant negativity anymore. It brings me down and everyone else who reads your posts. To the ignore list you go.

 

[erod]

Yes it certainly has affected you and your obviously unable to rise above it. I can’t handle your constant negativity anymore. It brings me down and everyone else who reads your posts. To the ignore list you go.

Thank you. Seriously.

 

[Jake]

/FLAME
Look I understand holding out to get treated fairly. But Dak and Zeke both want to be the TOP paid player EVER at their position. At least Dak is here taking care of business while he makes his demand while Zeke relaxes in the Mexican sun. Lets be clear about my position here. They both deserved to be highly paid because they bring in a ton of money for the Cowboys. But they also benefit from all previous Cowboys that gave them the platform they have today.

So while they complain that they refuse to accept a top 10 contract ticket prices rise, fans salaries don't increase and the gap between the have's (the players) and their fans increases. So I ask the question. How much money is enough? Everytime someone gets a contract the next person DEMANDS a bigger one. This soaks the fans who are ultimately paying the bill through ticket prices, merchandise and purchasing the products that the team and players endorse.

So finally Why Do the Players have to get more than anyone else ever? It screams of greed and a lack of caring that we have a balanced team or who ultimately pays those exponentially higher contracts each year.
/FLAME

While I'm always curious about people who think they know how much is "enough" for someone else to get paid, the thing to remember here is the NFL has been in a growth mode.

The most revenue the league ever made was last season, so why shouldn't players expect more? How much is "enough" for NFL owners?

 

[aikemirv]

It is not about greed or another 3-4 million - it is about pride and respect.

If it was just about money, I would have a bit more respect for these guys.

 

[RoboQB]

The NFL will never be a socialist sport... lol.
Same with every other sport.

 

[aikemirv]

Curiously, nobody uses this logic on the owners, who make more than any player by an order of magnitude. Why does player greed upset you but owner greed not? You're quibbling over millions when the owners are worth BILLIONS.

You know good and well Jerry is not worried about a few million. Nobody on this board cares about Jerry's million or think he is greedy by not paying a few more. That's just silly on your part!

 

[RoboQB]

While I'm always curious about people who think they know how much is "enough" for someone else to get paid, the thing to remember here is the NFL has been in a growth mode.

The most revenue the league ever made was last season, so why shouldn't players expect more? How much is "enough" for NFL owners?

Yep, I believe the profit total was $16 billion last year.
So much for all those boycotts... lol.

 

[aikemirv]

Thank Jerry Jones for creating the cap. More money in the owners pocket while there will always be a "cap" on how much NFL players can make for their labor.

I am pretty sure Jerry would rather not have a cap. It is the smaller market teams that want a cap

 

[ItzKelz]

I am pretty sure Jerry would rather not have a cap. It is the smaller market teams that want a cap

One of the many reasons JJ is in the hall of fame is insistence on having a cap. They literally should call it the "cap" the Jerry Jones rule.....he is the reason the NFL has a cap

 

[aikemirv]

Capitalism is great (until someone I look down on or don't like gets more than I do - then they're wrong for doing so)!

This is such a weird take. At times in life certain aspect, abilities, gifts are worth more than others in today's society. Not worth more on an intrinsic level but definitely on a financial level. The idea that we don't want someone to earn more based on those gifts is really weird. I don't think Jerry is necessarily smarter than me but he has some abilities, gifts, personality traits that made him into the financial success he is. Some of those traits may be that he is full of himself and overly confident in himself. Some of those traits I would probably look down on as well but I don't begrudge him his money for them. I don't begrudge athletes their money either. The time to deride owners is when the CBA agreement is being worked on - if they are being overly greedy they should be called on it. The time to deride players is when they go outside the bounds of the CBA and use alternate means to get what they want.

Just like I did not like Lawrence holding the surgery out as leverage to get the Cowboys to sign him.

Just bad form. Zeke is offered a top 3 deal, as best we can tell, 2 years before the CBA would force Jones to give him that money. Jones is being rather generous to do so if this is the case. Zeke, as his Dad says, wants to be the highest paid RB ever> that does not seem like a " I need some extra money thing" that is a pride and respect thing and I have no respect for that!

 

[Rockport]

Curiously, nobody uses this logic on the owners, who make more than any player by an order of magnitude. Why does player greed upset you but owner greed not? You're quibbling over millions when the owners are worth BILLIONS.

I guess you live on Mars. In the MFL there is a salary cap so if an owner makes millions or billions it means absolutely squat as to how much he can pay an owner.

 

[MarcusRock]

This is such a weird take. At times in life certain aspect, abilities, gifts are worth more than others in today's society. Not worth more on an intrinsic level but definitely on a financial level. The idea that we don't want someone to earn more based on those gifts is really weird. I don't think Jerry is necessarily smarter than me but he has some abilities, gifts, personality traits that made him into the financial success he is. Some of those traits may be that he is full of himself and overly confident in himself. Some of those traits I would probably look down on as well but I don't begrudge him his money for them. I don't begrudge athletes their money either. The time to deride owners is when the CBA agreement is being worked on - if they are being overly greedy they should be called on it. The time to deride players is when they go outside the bounds of the CBA and use alternate means to get what they want.

Just like I did not like Lawrence holding the surgery out as leverage to get the Cowboys to sign him.

Just bad form. Zeke is offered a top 3 deal, as best we can tell, 2 years before the CBA would force Jones to give him that money. Jones is being rather generous to do so if this is the case. Zeke, as his Dad says, wants to be the highest paid RB ever> that does not seem like a " I need some extra money thing" that is a pride and respect thing and I have no respect for that!

Bad form? It's perfectly allowable and using the advantage you have. You think owners don't use their leverage in negotiations? And what people don't consider is that part of this is for Zeke's protection against being used up and left less marketable for his services when it's all said and done. It's not bad form to protect yourself. If you're the best out there (and Zeke is) and the the hub through which the offense operates why wouldn't you want to be paid like the best? And even so, it's negotiation. You ask high, the team lowballs and you meet in the middle. Yet only the players asking high gets criticized. Why is that?

My take isn't weird, it's human nature. People have all the reasons in the world for why they deserve something but if someone else speaks up about deserving more then they're called selfish whether what they get affects them or not. When certain classes of workers go on strike people with zero knowledge of the labor situation automatically side to deny those groups raises. Typically, these "certain classes" are looked down on. The media knows this which is why they always publish the wage demands and little else to get people stirred up. As I said someplace else today, the media are better psychologists than psychologists. They know human nature and use it for viewership.