Strategic Error Made With Elliott?

[pansophy]

This! ^^^^

Let the money hungry bum sit out...and get fined for it. He didn't sit out when he gladly accepted such a huge rookie signing bonus when drafted in 2016, so he has no reason to be sitting out now. Why not be a man, honor your contract and show up to work while your agent works out an extension while you still have 2 years left?

The dude is being a greedy you know what. Forget him. I have no respect for greedy players like that who make such demands with 2 years still left on their current contract. Now, if it was a year from now and he was sitting out, I would understand why, but that is not the case today, is it?

except Dak could play until 35 and not be consider old whereas as soon as Zeke hits 30 he is on his last wheels if he is even still playing at that age.

Just not the same thing.

 

[CouchCoach]

I've *****ed for years that they talk too much. But do I think what he said changed the parameters of Zeke agent? Not at all. Anyone who has payed attention the past 20 years, or however long they have watched football, knew where the negotiations were going to start. SJ said what we all knew, or should've known. So you honestly think that his agent was going to start below Gurley money? Zeke is arguably the best RB in the league and you think his agent would come below the top paid RB?

I think people are trying to use this a "see" moment to show why they need to shut up. There are PLENTY of examples to use, this isn't one of them.

Could not disagree more. Who exercises the option making it two years left on the contract and then goes on the radio talking about a new deal? He started this entire situation, brings up the contract and then states he needs to be the highest paid RB. You telling me his agent wasn't pinching himself?

The agent didn't need to start at Gurley money, the COO did that for him.

 

[CouchCoach]

except Dak could play until 35 and not be consider old whereas as soon as Zeke hits 30 he is on his last wheels if he is even still playing at that age.

Just not the same thing.

Unless he changes that running style, he's done before 30. Even power backs like Bettis, Csonka and Lynch knew when to protect themselves.

I remember in one game, the commentator made the observation about how Emmitt was protecting himself. He said tacklers are taught to try and hold the ball carrier up to get additional hits on him and those additional ones are what shortens their careers.

Add to this Elliott led RB's with fumbles last season, 6, the same number of TD's.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

There it is. They open this can of worms on the radio and then begin to negotiate, the anger of the posters here is aimed at the wrong person.

They should have kept their mouths shut about all contracts, exercised the option and remained silent.

Stuff gets out. You don't know who even leaked the talk of offers. Different people have agendas. Some people have real sources.

 

[408Cowboy]

I've *****ed for years that they talk too much. But do I think what he said changed the parameters of Zeke agent? Not at all. Anyone who has payed attention the past 20 years, or however long they have watched football, knew where the negotiations were going to start. SJ said what we all knew, or should've known. So you honestly think that his agent was going to start below Gurley money? Zeke is arguably the best RB in the league and you think his agent would come below the top paid RB?

I think people are trying to use this a "see" moment to show why they need to shut up. There are PLENTY of examples to use, this isn't one of them.

The problem with them saying it starts with Gurley money is it came from the people paying it. Now the agent has the perfect reason to dismiss any off less than that.

"We're starting up here and as you recall you are to be starting here. If you don't I will gladly play it back for you."

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[CouchCoach]

Stuff gets out. You don't know who even leaked the talk of offers. Different people have agendas. Some people have real sources.

LMAO, it got out when he said it on the radio, it didn't get leaked.

 

[Little Jr]

Could not disagree more. Who exercises the option making it two years left on the contract and then goes on the radio talking about a new deal? He started this entire situation, brings up the contract and then states he needs to be the highest paid RB. You telling me his agent wasn't pinching himself?

The agent didn't need to start at Gurley money, the COO did that for him.

If you honestly think that Zeke agent didn't know to start at Gurley money then your naive. If in that fantasy world the agent wasn't going to start there then Zeke needs to fire his agent.

Once again, he didnt say the FO was going to start there. He knew the agent would. Everyone except a few on here, I guess, including you, think that Zeke agent was going to start below Gurley money until SJ comment. SJ had done 1000s of these. He knew where it would start. He didn't give the agent some kind of insight.

 

[blueblood70]

I don't know the standard operating procedure with using the 5th year option on 1st round draft picks but it seems to be the prudent thing to do would be to talk to the agent and inform them of the intention of the team to exercise that option.

They could have done that but that would make this holdout really stress the relationship and maybe if they'd discussed this and known their intention, they might not have that option, which amounts to a one year contract, effectively allowing them to tag him twice and have three one year contracts in a row and he is guaranteed only that one current year. Including this year, Elliott would make about 36M over the next 4 years, if tagged and not injured.

Gurley on this latest contract is guaranteed 45M. See the math problem that Elliott sees?

The RB tag for this season is 11.2M, so he is already 2M in the hole with this option exercised and that would be going up next season.

Elliott has been injury free but he is a contact back and leads the NFL in carries per game over the last three years and he and his agent would see no reason for a decline in that this season. He is the definition of workhorse back.

I do see a lot of venom aimed in Elliott's direction but when I put myself in his place, I believe I would be doing the same thing he is, his only play is to hold out.

They exercise his option but then the COO goes on the radio and starts talking about a new contract, does that make sense? Sure there was a deadline but that's no excuse, they had time. Then he makes it worse by bringing up the Gurley contract, THE player the Elliott sees as his challenger to best in the NFL.

When you add the numbers being thrown around for the QB, that same QB that's not supposed to be very good without the RB and the WR that's been with the team for 10 games, can you not see where this could get you sideways if you were him?

I could be off base here and they did address the option before exercising it but I don't think that happened or they would not have been acting so blindsided. Those numbers above are exactly what Elliott is looking at and he and his agent are sending the message before most players do, Elliott is not a taggable player.

no the strategic error was drafting EE that high, making him the center of this offense, and using him as much as they do and didnt expect him to because the best in the nfl..now that he has they wont pay, why draft a rb that high if you are unwilling to pay him top money..and now now makes sense hes not injury prone, 25 and for sure can play at this level 3 more years so give him 2 extra go 4 3 guaranteed..its the correct way to go instead of the way its being handled..if Dak is allegedly worth 30 or more by qb standards, and Amari more then 17 , how in the world is your young productive elite super star of your team who has outplayed his contract not worth 15? hw about 14.9 just edging gurley?? its insane to think hes not worth being the 4th highest paid on the team when hes arguably the best? its debatable where he falls but not debatable on what hes worth and 4th on the team and they are taki g issue when he can play out the new deal easily and at a high level..


the real issue is the fO knows they need a QB and a WR and those 2 are playing chicken not taking top 5 deals and thats also insane.. those are the guys im irritated with more then EE, they want more then their production calls for and EE is only asking for what hes earned..

dont take back that high because those 4-5 RBs in the league that are elite will demand that money..SB os next trust ,e hes not goi g to wait and get treated like any old RB..ie Gordon.. Fournette soon... the league itself the cba and how they handle RBs is the issue and they are being put on notice..

I dont want to see EE miss any games in tight NFCE race we can afford to lose any more games and EE helps us win more with him then without

 

[aaev84]

I have a hard time comparing him to Dak when Zeke got more 5x more money before he even showed up for camp, than Dak made on his entire rookie contract, which he's playing out. And Dak didn't get suspended and have multiple meetings with Goodell by the time he was going into his 4th year.

Zeke made more money before he showed up for camp, than any RB in the NFL is making this year in salary.

He was going to make $33million on a rookie deal, and got a $16 million check before he showed up. He played 2.5 years, is a risk to get suspended for longer any season, and after 2.5 years wants to be the highest paid RB in the league with 2 years left on his deal.

I wouldn't even worry about his contract this year. If he wants to sit out, sit out. Don't care.

Dak is pretty much going to get 30M+ and because he is a QB, longevity favors him. He will be able to get 2 or maybe even 3 long term contracts in his career. This one will most likely be Zekes only one.

 

[aria]

You are comparing leadership of a QB and RB? One position requires it and the other doesn't, think Emmitt was a leader?

Sorry CC, gotta disagree with you on this a bit otherwise I would be acknowledging to an extent that my favorite Cowboy of all time, Jason Witten, wasn’t a leader. I know it’s not QB and RB but I don’t necessarily think position is a pre requisite.

I could argue that QB’s like Eli Manning in his prime or even Dak his rookie year weren’t the leaders on offense. Maybe I’m reading too much into your statement, I dunno

 

[aria]

no the strategic error was drafting EE that high, making him the center of this offense, and using him as much as they do and didnt expect him to because the best in the nfl..now that he has they wont pay, why draft a rb that high if you are unwilling to pay him top money..and now now makes sense hes not injury prone, 25 and for sure can play at this level 3 more years so give him 2 extra go 4 3 guaranteed..its the correct way to go instead of the way its being handled..if Dak is allegedly worth 30 or more by qb standards, and Amari more then 17 , how in the world is your young productive elite super star of your team who has outplayed his contract not worth 15? hw about 14.9 just edging gurley?? its insane to think hes not worth being the 4th highest paid on the team when hes arguably the best? its debatable where he falls but not debatable on what hes worth and 4th on the team and they are taki g issue when he can play out the new deal easily and at a high level..


the real issue is the fO knows they need a QB and a WR and those 2 are playing chicken not taking top 5 deals and thats also insane.. those are the guys im irritated with more then EE, they want more then their production calls for and EE is only asking for what hes earned..

dont take back that high because those 4-5 RBs in the league that are elite will demand that money..SB os next trust ,e hes not goi g to wait and get treated like any old RB..ie Gordon.. Fournette soon... the league itself the cba and how they handle RBs is the issue and they are being put on notice..

I dont want to see EE miss any games in tight NFCE race we can afford to lose any more games and EE helps us win more with him then without

If he’s not injury prone and can play at this level for at least 3 more years than why is he sitting out? I’d have to think the Ewok himself disagrees with you on this.

 

[CouchCoach]

If you honestly think that Zeke agent didn't know to start at Gurley money then your naive. If in that fantasy world the agent wasn't going to start there then Zeke needs to fire his agent.

Once again, he didnt say the FO was going to start there. He knew the agent would. Everyone except a few on here, I guess, including you, think that Zeke agent was going to start below Gurley money until SJ comment. SJ had done 1000s of these. He knew where it would start. He didn't give the agent some kind of insight.

I am not naïve but if you are excusing that as OK, I would love to negotiate against you. Only a fool negotiates through the media.

Ya see, the Joneses care about public opinion because they fashion themselves as celebrities and the son has already openly stated the RB is worth at least Gurley money, partly out of ego stroke because they came under a lot of criticism for taking a RB at 4. See, we're smarter than you thought. He's a chip off the block only more damaging because that moron talks about contracts and money in the media. At least Booger waited until the deal was done to brag.

 

[blueblood70]

Dak is pretty much going to get 30M+ and because he is a QB, longevity favors him. He will be able to get 2 or maybe even 3 long term contracts in his career. This one will most likely be Zekes only one.

with that argument it cements Zekes position.

if dak and Amari can get 2-3 MORE contracts then they should take less at least top 5 money they were offered, given Zekes may only have this shot once, its why he did it, can you people not see that..that argument is why he is holding out.

 

[Little Jr]

The problem with them saying it starts with Gurley money is it came from the people paying it. Now the agent has the perfect reason to dismiss any off less than that.

"We're starting up here and as you recall you are to be starting here. If you don't I will gladly play it back for you."

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Again, he never said they, the FO, was starting at that. He knew that was where the agent was going to start. It wasn't hard to know that it's where the agent would start at. Hell, at the end of the year I was debating a buddy about if we should pay him Gurley money because we both knew it was going to that.

I'm amazed that people actually think that his agent is dumb enough not to start at Gurley money and it took SJ saying it to make him realize that's where he should start. Not giving the agent much credit.


If we want to debate that he shouldn't havesaid it, this will end quick because I agree. But I think he should shut up about everything. I don't see why he has a weekly radio show. I'm pretty sure he's the only vice president of football operations, or what ever his title is, in the NFL. I think his daddy should shut up too. But if we're debating on if what he said gave the agent parameters that he didn't already have, then no, we won't agree. If a fan like myself knew where it would and should start, then an agent who does this for a living knows. If Zeke hired me off the streets 3 years ago, I would know to start at Gurley.

 

[408Cowboy]

If you honestly think that Zeke agent didn't know to start at Gurley money then your naive. If in that fantasy world the agent wasn't going to start there then Zeke needs to fire his agent.

Once again, he didnt say the FO was going to start there. He knew the agent would. Everyone except a few on here, I guess, including you, think that Zeke agent was going to start below Gurley money until SJ comment. SJ had done 1000s of these. He knew where it would start. He didn't give the agent some kind of insight.

I think it's safer to assume every agent would start well above the highest paid at the position they're negotiating for. I'm going out on a limb here but it's probably safe to assume the FO would start lower than the highest paid not give up that position out the gate.

 

[glimmerman]

Could not disagree more. Who exercises the option making it two years left on the contract and then goes on the radio talking about a new deal? He started this entire situation, brings up the contract and then states he needs to be the highest paid RB. You telling me his agent wasn't pinching himself?

The agent didn't need to start at Gurley money, the COO did that for him.

Lol. His agent was gonna start higher than gurly money regardless. SJ was basically saying he already knows it and has money set to the side. Picked up the 5th year option was a duh thing. Of course they would, he is a potentially great RB. The FO wants him to be A Cowboy for a long time. For once since Emmitt they seem to be dedicated to a RB long term. They didn’t act this way with murray. But I do think the FO thought they had at least this year to put together the contract. They assumed he would honor his 4th year.

 

[CouchCoach]

Sorry CC, gotta disagree with you on this a bit otherwise I would be acknowledging to an extent that my favorite Cowboy of all time, Jason Witten, wasn’t a leader. I know it’s not QB and RB but I don’t necessarily think position is a pre requisite.

I could argue that QB’s like Eli Manning in his prime or even Dak his rookie year weren’t the leaders on offense. Maybe I’m reading too much into your statement, I dunno

S'ok, you can disagree with me, anybody can, I take none of this personally. Like everyone else I watch and listen and form an opinion.

My point was that the QB position just about demands leadership which is why guys like Cutler moved from team to team. And some individuals have the leadership gene and the position doesn't matter.

The poster's point was Elliott is not a leader and Prescott is. I agree, he isn't and neither was Emmitt or Dorsett but Calvin Hill? Yes, but not because he was a RB.

 

[blueblood70]

If he’s not injury prone and can play at this level for at least 3 more years than why is he sitting out? I’d have to think the Ewok himself disagrees with you on this.

NOT THE WAY THE LEAGUE SEES THE MILES THAT ARE ON THEM, THEY WILL USE HIM 3 MORE YEARS FOR LESS THEN CUT HIM OR LOW BALL HIM..EITHER WAY ITS EXACTLY WHY ZEKES WANTS HIDS MONEY NOW, hes in prime position to get his best deal NOW..

He wont let his Next 3-4 great years be at a lower contratc ie 2019, 202, and possible FT and low ball offer now they can say hes 28-29 with tons of miles, yes he would agree he can easily do this 3-4 more years at the same level and earn every penny of the 15 per..he wont get 15 at 27 or 28 and he knows it we know it and he decided to bank on himself now to get his big money and i dont blame him..

Zekes not slipping he had his best year when you look at Running yards and receiving yards togethe and is playing at high level.

 

[Little Jr]

I am not naïve but if you are excusing that as OK, I would love to negotiate against you. Only a fool negotiates through the media.

Ya see, the Joneses care about public opinion because they fashion themselves as celebrities and the son has already openly stated the RB is worth at least Gurley money, partly out of ego stroke because they came under a lot of criticism for taking a RB at 4. See, we're smarter than you thought. He's a chip off the block only more damaging because that moron talks about contracts and money in the media. At least Booger waited until the deal was done to brag.

I think it's safer to assume every agent would start well above the highest paid at the position they're negotiating for. I'm going out on a limb here but it's probably safe to assume the FO would start lower than the highest paid not give up that position out the gate.

You assume right and that's what is going on right now. What SJ said didn't change that.

 

[408Cowboy]

Again, he never said they, the FO, was starting at that. He knew that was where the agent was going to start. It wasn't hard to know that it's where the agent would start at. Hell, at the end of the year I was debating a buddy about if we should pay him Gurley money because we both knew it was going to that.

I'm amazed that people actually think that his agent is dumb enough not to start at Gurley money and it took SJ saying it to make him realize that's where he should start. Not giving the agent much credit.

Nobody said the agent would start lower. What is being said is that the agent now has every reason not to take a cent less. SJ removed damn near any shot they had of getting it done for cheaper. If anyone here isn't giving the agent credit it would be you.