Can Dak break into Elite QB Tier?

[sean10mm]

Great QBs have failed to win Super Bowls, and outright garbage QBs have won them, and in-between guys have done both things. It's almost like it's a team sport and overall team quality + coaching is incredibly important. Unfortunately those are complicated so dumb people won't engage in discussions that bring these facts up.

 

[RodeoJake]

You keep eating like that and you're gonna get fat

 

[Blackrain]

I don't give a flying spit what label or category people put Dak in . He flatout gives me good football to watch and wins games . He plays the kind of smash mouth football I like to watch .
He isn't obsessed with making every play with his arm and accumulating stats . He uses all his tools and intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheet to win . Considering the amount of preparation we did to be ready for the end of Romos career we are very luck to have a player like Dak that is still progressing but taking us to the playoffs

Dak is certainly one of the elite from his draft class , Elite at winning . Elite at being available . and when he and Gallup are done this year he is going to have some elite stats with or without Zeke . The handful of missed plays last year are going to turn into game winners this year .

Tony Romo was an Elite Passer and arguably an elite QB at the END OF HIS CAREER . It got him a couple playoff wins and a great job in the booth. Dak Prescott at present is an average passer that is still improving but an ELITE football player in the mold of Steve Young and Roger Staubach . Im betting on being a great football player gets us farther than just being a great QB

 

[blueblood70]

What are you guys expecting out of Dak this year? I’m not talking about the number of TDs and yards, I’m talking just about his level of play?

I’m expecting Dak to make a huge jump in terms of his decision making skills (timing) and internal clock. I expect him to start carrying the team on a regular basis. I’m expecting him to run the ball several times per game and start hurting defenses and keeping them honest.

I think you are going to see the best version of Dak by far. If Zeke is out I can also see Dak getting killed by a missed blitz pickup by a RB.

NO his hope or ours is he moves up to top of tier 2..he will never be elite..be honest with yourselves, hes not even close to top tier 2 hes bottom tier 2 , hes an above average QB with high level of leadership and intangibles but his arm talent, pocket awareness, and other things are NOT natural and that will always hold him back.. working hard to get better wont elevate him that high, juts make him better IMO..

Just NO my friends..he will never be Peyton Manning, Brady, Brees, or Brady.. Mahomes is that next guy who with a season even close to last he will elevate himself frontier one to Elite..theres difference..

If Dak ever becomes even RWilson we will feel very lucky but hes not RW yet.that might be his top very top.. I doubt he even makes that..hes in the class with Carr, Mariotta, Winston, and other downs in that 10-16 range and to move up to top 5 is nearly impossible from where i sit , I like him but he is what he is

 

[CowboyRoy]

Id love to have a top 10 QB. But Dak's ceiling is top 12. He's an average QB. We are about to see if linehan was holding the offense back or if he called these easy comeback routes out of necessity.

You cant be that bad at analysis. Are you actually implying that Linehan's 3, 8 yard comeback route offense was designed because that is all Dak could throw?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Elite? No.

Top 10? Yes

He is already an elite leader, clutch QB, dual threat QB, game manager. Now can he be a Mahones type gunslinger? I have my doubts. But he would need the scheme and play calling to get the chance.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Depends on your definition of top tier

He's already been top 10 through two stretches of his short career.

But if we are talking about the elite of the elite(Brees, Rodgers, Brady, etc), then no.

 

[CowboyRoy]

For the life of me, I don't get the wins and losses thing.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=331006006

That game was one of the best games I have ever seen a Cowboys QB play . . . and Romo lost anyways. Was it his fault the defense gave up 51 points?

Why do people evaluate QB's based heavily on wins and losses? Its a team game. No one is sitting here saying Jeff Heath is an awesome safety because his team just wins. By all the stats, Dak is an average QB. He isn't horrible and with the team around him, they can definitely win a lot. But man, giving him disproportionate credit for wins is just unfair to the rest of the team.

Last year, Dallas was 23rd in passing yards, 23rd in passing TD's, 22nd in points scored, etc. The "just winning" wasn't Dak.

If you dont understand why QB's are judged on wins and losses then there is no sense trying to explain it to you.

And to your point about Dak last year. So who was winning it for the Cowboys late in the 4th quarter and OT if it wasnt Dak? You actually have it the complete opposite. It WAS Dak winning it. DAK leads the NFL in late game comeback since he has been in the NFL. Without Dak and his clutch play the Cowboys are probably a 500 team last year or worse.

 

[HungryLion]

He is already an elite leader, clutch QB, dual threat QB, game manager. Now can he be a Mahones type gunslinger? I have my doubts. But he would need the scheme and play calling to get the chance.

I love Dak’s leadership and clutch gene.

He is also one of the best redzone rushing threats in the league. Which makes a difference.

I don’t think he will ever be a gunslinger. I also don’t think our coach will ever want him to be. 30 passes or less is what the team is designed for. For sure.

That’s ok.

 

[Direwolf63]

What are you guys expecting out of Dak this year? I’m not talking about the number of TDs and yards, I’m talking just about his level of play?

I’m expecting Dak to make a huge jump in terms of his decision making skills (timing) and internal clock. I expect him to start carrying the team on a regular basis. I’m expecting him to run the ball several times per game and start hurting defenses and keeping them honest.

I think you are going to see the best version of Dak by far. If Zeke is out I can also see Dak getting killed by a missed blitz pickup by a RB.

Dak can get better.

But he will never be elite.

 

[bodi]

not for BUS drivers

 

[glimmerman]

He will get better. If Elliot plays he will look much better.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I love Dak’s leadership and clutch gene.

He is also one of the best redzone rushing threats in the league. Which makes a difference.

I don’t think he will ever be a gunslinger. I also don’t think our coach will ever want him to be. 30 passes or less is what the team is designed for. For sure.

That’s ok.

I completely agree. He can sling it late in games when he needs to. With Zeke and this Oline, there is no need to go nutz anyway.

 

[John813]

Doubt it. It's not a knock either. Only a handful of QB's are truly elite.

We don't need him to be elite to win it all, either.

 

[Doomsday101]

What are you guys expecting out of Dak this year? I’m not talking about the number of TDs and yards, I’m talking just about his level of play?

I’m expecting Dak to make a huge jump in terms of his decision making skills (timing) and internal clock. I expect him to start carrying the team on a regular basis. I’m expecting him to run the ball several times per game and start hurting defenses and keeping them honest.

I think you are going to see the best version of Dak by far. If Zeke is out I can also see Dak getting killed by a missed blitz pickup by a RB.

I don't know but then again I put very few in the elite catagory. I think Dak is quite capable of putting up a very good season and leading this team to a championship but elite? To me elite is playing at a very high level year in and year out so my version of elite there are few who I would actually consider elite

 

[MWH1967]

I know one thig for sure. If not, it won't be for the lack off effort and time.

 

[zrinkill]

Yes

 

[windjc]

What are you guys expecting out of Dak this year? I’m not talking about the number of TDs and yards, I’m talking just about his level of play?

I’m expecting Dak to make a huge jump in terms of his decision making skills (timing) and internal clock. I expect him to start carrying the team on a regular basis. I’m expecting him to run the ball several times per game and start hurting defenses and keeping them honest.

I think you are going to see the best version of Dak by far. If Zeke is out I can also see Dak getting killed by a missed blitz pickup by a RB.

If that pass for a sure TD down the sidelines against the Rams where our receiver had to come all the way back to make a beautiful grab for a 30 yard gain was any example then Dak is no where near an elite passer.

 

[rags]

That will always be up for debate in most people’s minds. But really.....who is to say definitively?

Unless he goes down the field like Brees and is clutch like Brady, wins playoff games every year.....he will probably be viewed as a 2nd tier guy.

Agreed. The key here is until he starts winning playoff games consistently.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I sincerely hope Dak has a Mahomes type season as the Glory of the Star first and foremost.
My common sense tells me a leopard doesn't change his spots therefore I am ready for the same anemic check-down panic in pocket while being off-target passing Dak attack.
If the unexpected happens and Zeke is not starting week 1 for numerous games expect Dak to be booed out of the Stadium.....
Either way GL to our Boys!

I have been a dak critic in the past. I am not a Dak Lover nor a Dak Fanatic. I am a cowboy fanatic. With that said, I fully expect him to improve this year. a lot of his problems in the past were probably due to he not trusting himself, mostly because of his bad mechanics. He didn't trust himself to make certain throws thus the check downs that's what made him a safe, no risk QB.... or wait for a wide open WRs to make throws, that's why Cooper was such a perfect fit for him (yes, yes yes, the Dak Lovers will respond with the tight window stat).

but with improved mechanics, he should trust himself more, plus Kitna is in his ear, telling him to rip it. so I fully expect him to take more shots down field and more importantly middle of the field (his safe nature of throwing to the outside so if you miss, its out of bounce or throw short and dump). we see a little bit better mechanics already. Stories are that he is also seeing the field better, and now actually looking for the plays developing downfield as he is dropping back, which should also help him with making throws and avoiding sacks as he tended to hold the ball too long. his pocket awareness still needs work, but perhaps, improvements in these other areas, will help improve his game over all....

I don't expect a mahomes like season. that's hard to duplicate. its not his nature. will he ever? who knows, but small steps.