Everyone has it wrong about Garrett

[Diehardblues]

I just said they were wrong. I don’t get where you’re coming from or what your point is. I didn’t get personal with anyone in my OP.

This forum has entirely too much individual focus on who’s right or wrong. Calling out fans is either click bait and in some cases against the rules.

I didn’t say you do get personal. I’m simply said I wouldn’t . My point is this could have been presented in a more professional manner without calling out a segment of fans in such fashion.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I've defended Garrett way more than I've criticized him, but your post is NOT remotely how things have transpired.

Will McClay and Stephen Jones have built the roster.

Tonoretemd Garrett has no significant say is just wrong.

Unfortunately, I know this to be true because it was Garrett who had final word Zeke vs Ramsey.

 

[Dre11]

He inherited a prime Romo, Ware, Witten, Dez, and Lee....people who say say he had no talent dont know what the hell they are talking about. I expect that from you tho. Look at the rosters the Seahawks and Panthers coaches inherited if you wanna see a real rebuild.

Yet they were dead as a team. They were terrible defensively.

 

[CATCH17]

Garrett has definitely changed the culture and direction of the franchise.

The only question that remains is that if it’s gonna be enough to finally get over the hump.

So far it hasn’t, but I guess that’s why he’s in the last year of his contract.

He’s been here over 10 years. Time / Romo changed the culture more then he did and it’s still a country club make no mistake.

 

[Diehardblues]

Contributions from Garrett? He's certainly contributed to 12 or 13 of the past 25 non-super bowl seasons. He was primarily responsible for a couple of them too.

Wow, he's one awesome coach........

Garrett’s much more than HC. He’s been the greatest influence with our ownership since Jimmy and possibly Bill, although that fizzled out too soon.

I understand your frustration lumping it all together. We’re all frustrated but that doesn’t take into consideration the better culture we’re seeing now.

I’m not a fan who sees much greater options with current ownership agendas.

 

[Rockport]

This forum has entirely too much individual focus on who’s right or wrong. Calling out fans is either click bait and in some cases against the rules.

I didn’t say you do get personal. I’m simply said I wouldn’t . My point is this could have been presented in a more professional manner without calling out a segment of fans in such fashion.

 

[Diehardblues]

He’s been here over 10 years. Time / Romo changed the culture more then he did and it’s still a country club make no mistake.

Yes, but no HC is changing that. Bill couldn’t even change that.

I’m afraid this is probably about as good as it gets until Jerry croaks or suddenly decides to give up control.

 

[Hardline]

I envision Rockport as the geek who wore the mascot suit on the sidelines during high school football games and had the most school spirit in pep rallies .

 

[tyke1doe]

This forum has entirely too much individual focus on who’s right or wrong. Calling out fans is either click bait and in some cases against the rules.

I didn’t say you do get personal. I’m simply said I wouldn’t . My point is this could have been presented in a more professional manner without calling out a segment of fans in such fashion.

He doesn't understand that. He's still in stunted infancy.

 

[xwalker]

Apparently, he was asked by Jerry to take on both OC and HC duties and didn’t fight to keep the OC part.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...rry-jones-jason-garrett-play-calling/1855621/

No, I don't know if you were not following the team back then or if you were too young or whatever but Garrett did not want to give up play calling.

Garrett would not even acknowledge to the press that Callahan was going to call plays despite Jerry making the decision immediately after the previous season. I'm not sure if Garrett ever really said directly that Callahan was the play caller but Jerry and Stephen not said Callahan was the play caller.

Last year Stephen said that looking back they didn't give Callahan enough support and that allowing Garrett to make the personnel decisions with regards to which offensive players were in the game undermined Callahan as the play caller.

There is a reason that Bill Callahan departed when his contract was over for the same job with the Skins despite Jerry trying to money whip him into staying. It was because he and Garrett were enemies after the year Callahan called plays.

Garrett begged Jerry to remove Callahan as the play caller after that year. Jerry told Garrett OK but only if we hire someone else because you (Garrett) are not going to do it.

The compromise was hiring Linehan who Garrett was basically allowed to choose.

Callahan went back to being just the OL coach for that year then departed the minute his contract was up. He tried to depart a year earlier but Jerry insisted that he finish his contract.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jerry took the play calling duties away basically to appease the public outcry easing pressure to replace Garrett.

We weren’t really sure how much Garrett was still involved. And if this was more of just a public ploy by Jerry to the fans . Jerry also said Romo would be more involved.

After they named Linehan OC , Jerry said Garrett would get more involved in building the defense.

 

[TheDude]

You don’t know how that all transpired and you sure as hell don’t know he tried to take it back.

but you do? Forget any media reports at the time, your speculation is better than someone else's?

 

[CyberB0b]

He didn't inherit anything. He was hired as the assistant head coach and offensive coordinator before Wade was hired. He was a part of the process long before he got hired as the HC. He's also wasted a lot of talent learning on the job.

 

[Blackspider214]

When Garrett took over in 2010 as the head coach he inherited a listless 1-7 team lacking talent. He followed that with 3 8-8 seasons with teams again lacking in talent and unable to do much about it because of salary cap issues. Everyone seems to blame him for the lack of a Super Bowl but in fact he’s the one who turned this organization around. Jones put a lot of faith in Garrett because of his pedigree and intelligence. He had a plan and a vision on how to build a football team. He first focused on getting the right kind of players. I promise you he wanted nothing to do with Greg Hardy. Secondly he focused on building the team from the trenches out which is something you can’t do in one year with the salary cap issues he inherited. He stuck to his guns and build a solid team improving it every year. There were some bumps along the way with time management but you haven’t seen those in recent years. You can nick pick a time here or there but they can be argued both ways. He still needs to prove it in the playoffs but its obvious he’s put together a young team, built from the trenches out and wins. Let’s see what happens this year.

False false false. He inherited a pretty good team. People only create that narrative it wasn't to defend Romo and Garrett's failures.

 

[xwalker]

He had the chance for Manziel, though. I’m not sure what his personnel decisions include, fair enough, so I will leave them out.

In the end, I am not saying I am enamored with Garrett as a head coach but there has been a slew of head coaches who have been much worse than him and a select few that have been markedly better.

It would take a more in depth analysis to support that concept. A review of each failed HC with regards to how they might have fared if given a Garrett type opportunity.

Chan Gailey was fired after 2 seasons and they made the playoffs both years. I'm certain other teams have made similar decisions in more recent years. Again the coaching needs to be separated from the lack of talent. Some teams have fired coaches because those teams never had enough talent to win. GMs can delay their own fate by blaming the Head Coach.

It would be a really difficult task to really compare all other coaches with Garrett because normally Head Coaches just don't get the benefit of the doubt that Garrett has received from Jerry.

I'm sure there are a few obvious bad ones like Wade Phillips but to really analyze which ones were definitely better than Garrett would be difficult.

 

[Blackspider214]

He didn't inherit anything. He was hired as the assistant head coach and offensive coordinator before Wade was hired. He was a part of the process long before he got hired as the HC. He's also wasted a lot of talent learning on the job.

Exactly. He was in charge of this offense that took a nosedive since 2007. Who was in charge of the offense? Hmmmm

 

[Diehardblues]

The greatest measurement of coaching is much like in management. Are we in a better place than when they took over?

 

[Rockport]

No, I don't know if you were not following the team back then or if you were too young or whatever but Garrett did not want to give up play calling.

Garrett would not even acknowledge to the press that Callahan was going to call plays despite Jerry making the decision immediately after the previous season. I'm not sure if Garrett ever really said directly that Callahan was the play caller but Jerry and Stephen not said Callahan was the play caller.

Last year Stephen said that looking back they didn't give Callahan enough support and that allowing Garrett to make the personnel decisions with regards to which offensive players were in the game undermined Callahan as the play caller.

There is a reason that Bill Callahan departed when his contract was over for the same job with the Skins despite Jerry trying to money whip him into staying. It was because he and Garrett were enemies after the year Callahan called plays.

Garrett begged Jerry to remove Callahan as the play caller after that year. Jerry told Garrett OK but only if we hire someone else because you (Garrett) are not going to do it.

The compromise was hiring Linehan who Garrett was basically allowed to choose.

Callahan went back to being just the OL coach for that year then departed the minute his contract was up. He tried to depart a year earlier but Jerry insisted that he finish his contract.

You obviously didn’t read the article.

 

[Zman5]

 

[Dre11]

Garrett is beyond awful and his offensive philosophy has held back the team for a decade.

We've never been as good as we can be because of him.

I don't give the Head Coach much credit for Player evaluation. McClay is the man right now. Nobody cares what Garrett thinks.. Just sit in the corner and clap.

Lol ... still putting out those false narratives. His offense has been in the top half of the league in scoring 8 out of 10 years and 4 times in the top 10 (5th,5th,5th,7th).