10 things I think Week 3 edition

[Zordon]

I can't see Dez as an option to ever return to this team. I heard someone bring up a great point the other day. They said Dak now has 'Dak receivers'. Romo had 'Romo receivers', tall, physical guys that could catch fades and 50-50 balls, mainly because their speed and routes didn't gain separation. Dak receivers are quicker, better route runners and better suit what he's looking for. I don't think Dez's game has changed at this point, so I don't think he fits Dak's preferences or strengths.

I do not but this narrative of Romo receivers vs Dak receivers. The whole thing just sounds like silly message board conjecture. Dez was one of the first to call out the pathetic OC Linehan and Beasley called out the inept WR coach Dooley. I wonder what our current group of WR would look like if they were handicapped by those two coaches. Would they still be "Dak receivers"?

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Witten is averaging 5.7 ypc. He is a viable target inside the 10 yd line, which is perfectly fine. he seems comfortable with his role and is even playing special teams. I don't see any way that Dez's ego would allow him to be the 3rd or 4th option in the passing game. Maybe for a few games, but eventually he would want the ball. Dak and this receiver group looks to have developed some really nice chemistry. Don't mess with it by bringing in a diva.

I don't think Jason is a Diva. He is only making about 2 mil and has done well so far. 2 td's and he isn't a trouble maker. He is a team player and wants a ring. He just might get it if we can clean up our D.

 

[dargonking999]

Dez would LOVE to be a Cowboy again.

Based on what? Dezs ego is even bigger then it was when he left, he wouldnt be able to accept his smaller role here.

 

[INCowboysFan]

I don't think Jason is a Diva. He is only making about 2 mil and has done well so far. 2 td's and he isn't a trouble maker. He is a team player and wants a ring. He just might get it if we can clean up our D.

reread my post. I called Dez the diva, not witten.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

reread my post. I called Dez the diva, not witten.

Oops sorry. It's early. Not awake yet. My bad.

In the case of Dez, you are right.

 

[Zordon]

Based on what? Dezs ego is even bigger then it was when he left, he wouldnt be able to accept his smaller role here.

Dude, you are totally detached from reality. I live in Dallas and know some of Dez's people. He would be at the Star in a hour if he could be back on this team. Dez is loyal to a fault and he's not one to old grudges. I think he's still a little shell shocked that he didn't retire a Cowboy.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Not signing Dez ever..

exactly....Dez wasn't the right WR for Dak….we have moved on. he is out of football for 2 years now and coming off achilles heel injury. he was never fast or twitchy to begin with, but now could be slower than me...and that says a lot

 

[dargonking999]

Dude, you are totally detached from reality. I live in Dallas and know some of Dez's people. He would be at the Star in a hour if he could be back on this team. Dez is loyal to a fault and he's not one to old grudges. I think he's still a little shell shocked that he didn't retire a Cowboy.

Ok sure. Sadly we won't know since the cowboys have no interest in making that call

 

[Stash]

I do not but this narrative of Romo receivers vs Dak receivers. The whole thing just sounds like silly message board conjecture. Dez was one of the first to call out the pathetic OC Linehan and Beasley called out the inept WR coach Dooley. I wonder what our current group of WR would look like if they were handicapped by those two coaches. Would they still be "Dak receivers"?

They would still be who they are:

• Cooper is arguably the best route running receiver in the game. The opposite of Dez.
• Gallup also runs excellent routes. Far better than we ever saw from Terrance Williams.
• And Randall Cobb looks better than Cole Beasley did for this tea as well.

Does it help that they also have better coaching? Sure it does. But it doesn't mean that these three aren't better route runners than their predecessors were.

 

[Stash]

97 year old Witten was Romo's best friend and has caught 2 TD passes in 2 weeks.
There is IMHO room for a guy like Dez who has been humbled and has a huge heart to play for this team and get a defined small role that makes the team even more dangerous.
Dez loves the Cowboys and any and all issues aside he can provide you a large body with good hands.
He's lost a lot but is far more athletic than Witten.

Dez can block and he can vreak tackles with just about any WR in football even today.
He's in zero position to demand passes or caught any drama at this point.
It would be lot like adding Witten back ad just mostly a feel good story that allows some nostalgia versus adding a back end WR that will not even be a blip on the radar.

In a perfect world, for nostalgia's sake, and the possibility of a happy ending? Sure. It would be great if a long-time Cowboys great could finish his career on a high note. But I just don't see it happening. The Cowboys have moved on and I don't see them going back.

But comparing Dez to Witten is missing a whole lot of the off the field stuff and huge differences between the two. They are two entirely different personalities and team guys.

 

[Future]

It wasn't the Cowboys who figured out the Saints, it was the Browns in week 2. Nobody the Saints played until Dallas had the personnel to replicate it though.

The Saints, like the Giants last year, have two playmakers. If you have the athletes at LB to slow down Kamara on passes out of the backfield so that safeties can double Thomas, that offense stinks.

 

[jterrell]

I still don't get why fans think Dez will sign for cheap for any reason. Even worse y'all even more believe that he will come to the team where he not only wouldn't be a number 1, he wouldn't even crack the top 3. Come on, let it go. Dez is not coming back.

The cowboys don't want him

Dez doesn't want us

It's time to move on

The cowboys already have

How about because Dez says so?

 

[jterrell]

In a perfect world, for nostalgia's sake, and the possibility of a happy ending? Sure. It would be great if a long-time Cowboys great could finish his career on a high note. But I just don't see it happening. The Cowboys have moved on and I don't see them going back.

But comparing Dez to Witten is missing a whole lot of the off the field stuff and huge differences between the two. They are two entirely different personalities and team guys.

I think you are likely right. DAL has moved on.
But again this thread is just things I think or that I would do.

I also thought they had move don form Wittenand he form them so you really never know.

This is a contending team and a Wr that knows the QB and is hungry to help in a limited role makes sense.
Dez doignwhat Noah Brown did last year? I could easily see that.

 

[jazzcat22]

I don't want any expectations for this team. Let us remain in the underdog role for the entire season.

I don't have a problem with that, being the underdog. Just can't stand the love for the Eagles when it is not all that warranted. But it has been the way it has been for years.
However once we win something that will change, or should change.

 

[jterrell]

It wasn't the Cowboys who figured out the Saints, it was the Browns in week 2. Nobody the Saints played until Dallas had the personnel to replicate it though.

The Saints, like the Giants last year, have two playmakers. If you have the athletes at LB to slow down Kamara on passes out of the backfield so that safeties can double Thomas, that offense stinks.

The Saints scored 21 and beats the Browns. The sains then averaged almost 40 PPG the nest 3 weeks.

The Saints scored 10 versus DAL and lost.
They averaged 26 PPG the rest of the season.

 

[Future]

The Saints scored 21 and beats the Browns. The sains then averaged almost 40 PPG the nest 3 weeks.

The Saints scored 10 versus DAL and lost.
They averaged 26 PPG the rest of the season.

They had a TD drive that started at the Cleveland 18.

Then they played a bunch of terrible defenses. The Saints offense was pretty much unstoppable against the wrong personnel. Good defenses have the right personnel to stop it (see: athletic LBers), and it falls apart

 

[gimmesix]

I can't see Dez as an option to ever return to this team. I heard someone bring up a great point the other day. They said Dak now has 'Dak receivers'. Romo had 'Romo receivers', tall, physical guys that could catch fades and 50-50 balls, mainly because their speed and routes didn't gain separation. Dak receivers are quicker, better route runners and better suit what he's looking for. I don't think Dez's game has changed at this point, so I don't think he fits Dak's preferences or strengths.

I don't know if I agree with the Romo receivers part. Dallas could afford to have players like Dez and let him play to his strengths because of Romo being at quarterback, but I have no doubt that Romo would have succeeded with this receiver group.

The main difference to me is that Dak needed this kind of receiving group to succeed because they do better suit what he likes as a quarterback. He didn't like throwing the 50/50 balls and wasn't that good at it probably because he didn't trust putting the ball on the helmet of the defender and letting Dez go up and get it. That's not a knock on Dak. Ball security is very important to him, so he doesn't like to take the risks that Romo was willing to take. I also do think that Dez at his peak was able to create a little more separation than he did after injuries took a toll on him, so Dak was only left with a player who wasn't as fast or quite as physical as he had been with Romo.

 

[Stash]

I think you are likely right. DAL has moved on.
But again this thread is just things I think or that I would do.

I also thought they had move don form Wittenand he form them so you really never know.

This is a contending team and a Wr that knows the QB and is hungry to help in a limited role makes sense.
Dez doignwhat Noah Brown did last year? I could easily see that.

I have no doubt that he could outproduce Noah Brown. But as if right now, Brown himself isn't on the 53-man roster and I'm not sure he will be.

I get what you're going for and nothing can be 100% ruled out. I'll just say I'd be really surprised if Dez ever came back.

 

[jterrell]

They had a TD drive that started at the Cleveland 18.

Then they played a bunch of terrible defenses. The Saints offense was pretty much unstoppable against the wrong personnel. Good defenses have the right personnel to stop it (see: athletic LBers), and it falls apart

The PPG before and after playing DAL is hardly a mirage and has persisted across this season.

DAL took Kamaraand Thomas out of the game and they had no offense.
Other teams are now doing same with safeties and/or athletic LBs plus doubling Thomas.

They scored more TWICE as many points versus CLE as DAL.

Weird hill to die on.

 

[Stash]

I don't know if I agree with the Romo receivers part. Dallas could afford to have players like Dez and let him play to his strengths because of Romo being at quarterback, but I have no doubt that Romo would have succeeded with this receiver group.

I wasn't going for an either/or between Romo and Dak.

The main difference to me is that Dak needed this kind of receiving group to succeed because they do better suit what he likes as a quarterback. He didn't like throwing the 50/50 balls and wasn't that good at it probably because he didn't trust putting the ball on the helmet of the defender and letting Dez go up and get it. That's not a knock on Dak. Ball security is very important to him, so he doesn't like to take the risks that Romo was willing to take. I also do think that Dez at his peak was able to create a little more separation than he did after injuries took a toll on him, so Dak was only left with a player who wasn't as fast or quite as physical as he had been with Romo.

That sums up where I was coming from.