Props to Jason Garrett

Alexander

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I do tend to frolic when I’m obviously right.

Go ahead and sticky it, chief.
I would if I could.

But since you are the big shot around here, I will leave it to you.
 

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Criticism of Garrett, Praise of Garrett, Debating Garrett is all such a waste of time.

Folks don't even understand his job description! Let's be very clear: it bears little resemblance to the other 31 head coaching jobs.

Garrett's sphere of control is very small. He isn't drawing up x's and o's*; he isn't designing scheme, he isn't calling plays, and he isn't doing much player group instruction. He does make the call on 4th down (go for/punt) and that kind of thing. He mediates. Directs meetings. Gives speeches.

He has a strong say--but not a final one--on roster decisions...and a minor role on the draft and player acquisition.

*Romo himself made that clear.
 
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That's right folks - Jason has this team rolling on all cylinders coming out of the gate. Say what you want about him but players seem to really enjoy playing for him, he's involved in personnel decisions and has helped build this team, he seems to really have the respect of all of the players on the team, and they stay out of trouble for the most part. Also, I'm sure he had a big say-so in the Kellen Moore, Kris Richardson, and John Kitna hires.

It's time we give him a little credit!
It's about time someone pointed out how awesome Garrett has been for this team. Thank you.
 

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Ra Ra Blah Blah, I wonder if he will tell them to throw away the division hats again ??:huh:
So far they threw 2 away, then had to ask for them back!:flagwave:
JG has the best job in the world does not have to do much, everyone else does the work , and gets fired, and he makes 6 mil a year !
And there is no way he will ever get fired, as long as he can say 2 magic words, "yes Jerry"
 

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I think you do know exactly what I’m saying, because it’s the same point I’ve made all along. When I’m talking “wins” I mean “football games.” And we’ve been winning a lot of football games.

When you’re talking “winning playoff games” I’m saying that we have won some, and that the ones we’ve lost haven’t been because of the coaching. And the criticism of the playoff coaching is just rank second-guessing *every* disappointed fan base does and not actual thoughtful criticism. There are a lot of reasons teams fail to advance in the playoffs every year. And this organization has gotten a lot smarter, but it’s far from perfect.

Yes, Jason Garrett has won enough regular season games to qualify for the playoffs 3 times in 9 seasons and has 2 Wildcard wins to show for it. Is that record satisfactory for a 9th year head coach in the NFL?

I would say no, that record on its on is not good enough for a new contract, he needs to show me more.

Jerry and Stephen apparently agree or else Garrett would have a new extension by now. I mean, the Saints just gave Sean Payton a new 5 year extension, but I dont see Jerry or Stephen lining up to give Garrett a new extension yet. They obviously want to see how Garrett finishes the season, meaning how far in the playoffs does Garrett take this team. He needs to get the team over the hump, I dont think that is being unreasonable, do you?
 

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I don't demand anything. I have said he has to win and win big. Meantime I'm not going to trash him on a daily basis. I'm a fan of the team I want them to be successful I pull for them and him not against. If others choose to trash him that is fine I really don't care what any other fan does, I don't watch the Cowboys for you or any other fan.
You realize that you can root for the team to win and think Garrett is incompetent at the same time...……..they are not mutually exclusive items.

I root for the team to win every Sunday, but I dont ignore Garrett's record either. A head coach in his 9th NFL season should have more on his resume than a pair of Wildcard wins.

I dont think that is an unreasonable position to take, do you?
 

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always, always, always....its like when we win, its Dak and he is 32-14 but garrett gets zero credit for being head coach of the team.

however, Pederson won and hasn't done squat since Reich left. and he got all the credit. this board was gaga over Pederson

Whats funny is that when we win, there are threads demanding Garrett gets props...…...but when Garrett's record is mentioned its nothing but excuse after excuse after excuse.

I bet I have heard a thousand times on this board....."we didnt lose in the playoffs, or failed to make the playoffs, because of coaching".

 

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exactly. what does Carroll do? if they make fun of garrett clapping, Caroll claps more. what about Pederson in Philly? Reich left and Philly has struggled ever since. same for most other coaches in the league not named Bilicheck...


garrett's short coming is that he is not bilicheck…...so he will always be bad....

Garrett's short coming is that he cant win jack in the playoffs, unlike Carroll and Pederson who both have rings in less time on the job than Garrett.

Nobody is expecting him to be Bilicheck, what we are expecting is a little bit more than 2 wildcard wins after a decade on the job.
 

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For somebody who repeatedly calls Garrett a puppet in thread after thread after thread, you sure do seem to come to his defense a lot.

Interesting:oops:
 

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In 10 years Garrett has produced only 3 playoff berths , applauding that catastrophe is beyond shameful .

You ever notice that when you mention Garrett's pathetic playoff record, his fan boys avoid the topic like the plague and quickly start mentioning how many regular season games he has won.

I bet they think 2016 was a triumphant success for their boy...……..1st seed and cant even win a single playoff game.....that is there definition of success apparently.
 

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Criticism of Garrett, Praise of Garrett, Debating Garrett is all such a waste of time.

Folks don't even understand his job description! Let's be very clear: it bears little resemblance to the other 31 head coaching jobs.

Garrett's sphere of control is very small. He isn't drawing up x's and o's*; he isn't designing scheme, he isn't calling plays, and he isn't doing much player group instruction. He does make the call on 4th down (go for/punt) and that kind of thing. He mediates. Directs meetings. Gives speeches.

He has a strong say--but not a final one--on roster decisions...and a minor role on the draft and player acquisition.

*Romo himself made that clear.
You should have stopped after the first paragraph. You’re right, you have no idea what garret does and doesn’t do. To state that he does very little compared to other coaches is so laughable. Of course, that won’t stop haters from blaming him for everything.
 

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You ever notice that when you mention Garrett's pathetic playoff record, his fan boys avoid the topic like the plague and quickly start mentioning how many regular season games he has won.

I bet they think 2016 was a triumphant success for their boy...……..1st seed and cant even win a single playoff game.....that is there definition of success apparently.
He’s hasn’t gotten it done. But that doesn’t mean he won’t get it done or that I want him to fail. Too many fans want to be right about garret more than they want to win.
 

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I have never quite understood the hate with Garrett. He took over a 1-7 team and has a winning percentage close to the best in the NFL in that time and probably only second to Landry....And Switzer for Cowboy coaches. Although Jimmy had a 1-15 start. Maybe some of his in game decisions frustrate all of us at times.... But he has done some real good things.

I don't know? The team is playing well and winning the games they are supposed to. They are taking care of business.

You dont understand?

I will give you a hint...…...its called his playoff record...……..2 wildcard wins for an NFL head coach in his 9th season is pathetic.

No other head coach in the NFL that has not been to a SB is in their 9 season or longer, they all have been fired.....except for you know who.
 

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Other than that, though, he's clearly built a team. We've clearly gotten better. We've won more games than anyone else in the NFC since Dak's been here, and should have one of the best teams in the conference again this year. He's teams are prepared and play hard.

I can understand not liking him, or wanting an upgrade. I'm all for an upgrade myself if there's one out there. What I don't get is pretending the guy is a bad coach when he's clearly not.

Do most head coaches in the NFL get 10 years to build their team?

I'm looking around the league right now for head coaches in their 9 season or longer that have not yet been to a SB and there are none.

So I am confused, why is it taking Garrett soo much longer than any other NFL head coach to build his team? I mean, correct me if I am wrong, but a quick glance at the record books tells me that every head coach in NFL history that won a SB did so before their 9th season.

So help me out here buddy, why is it taking Garrett longer than any other head coach in NFL history to build a championship caliber team?
 

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It took one year for Moore to add some pace to this offense, attack the middle of the field, add some pre-snap motion, and be less predictable on run plays. Why didn't Garrett add these wrinkles to the offense in 10+ years?
 

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Yes, Jason Garrett has won enough regular season games to qualify for the playoffs 3 times in 9 seasons and has 2 Wildcard wins to show for it. Is that record satisfactory for a 9th year head coach in the NFL?

I would say no, that record on its on is not good enough for a new contract, he needs to show me more.

Jerry and Stephen apparently agree or else Garrett would have a new extension by now. I mean, the Saints just gave Sean Payton a new 5 year extension, but I dont see Jerry or Stephen lining up to give Garrett a new extension yet. They obviously want to see how Garrett finishes the season, meaning how far in the playoffs does Garrett take this team. He needs to get the team over the hump, I dont think that is being unreasonable, do you?

Of course, I already knew you'd say that. But it doesn't change the fact that he took over a bad team, built a good one, and has now won more games with it than anyone else in the conference since Dak and Elliott have come in. They've started qualifying for playoffs more regularly, started advancing in the playoffs, and have what many think is a team that's capable of going deep now this year. That's progress no matter how hard you want to close your eyes and cover your ears and pretend it isn't. I have no idea what you guys think you're seeing if not a team that's getting progressively better. Like I've said many times, there was a time when a lot of people were telling me Garrett would never get a team over .500. Now they're saying he can't win a Superbowl. Even though secretly they're thinking maybe he can.

It's at a point where I'm getting people legitimately saying Garrett should be fired because the offense looks like it might be too good. That's so stupid it makes my jaw ache in embarrassment for the person who believes it.

As far as an extension goes. We'll see. I went through this last time he was at the end of his deal. 5 years, $30MM was the result. I'm all for an upgrade if a better guy is available. Let's just not pretend the guy we've got can't coach, because he's done a good job with a really tough team to do a good job with.
 

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Do most head coaches in the NFL get 10 years to build their team?

I'm looking around the league right now for head coaches in their 9 season or longer that have not yet been to a SB and there are none.

So I am confused, why is it taking Garrett soo much longer than any other NFL head coach to build his team? I mean, correct me if I am wrong, but a quick glance at the record books tells me that every head coach in NFL history that won a SB did so before their 9th season.

So help me out here buddy, why is it taking Garrett longer than any other head coach in NFL history to build a championship caliber team?

It's irrelevant how many years he's had. He's gotten the years on the job because his boss believes he's doing a good job. You don't have to like it, and it isn't relevant how many years other people get in their jobs.

As far as building the team goes, when it comes to doing the things that coaches are supposed to do, we've had a contending team going back to 2014. You just don't want to admit it. If I could wake you up, I would. Maybe this is our year and we win it all and you'll open up your eyes and come over to the light. And by that I mean give all the credit to McClay or Kellen Moore or tell me how Jason Garrett finally learned to get out of the way, or whatever theory will let you reconcile the teams steady and obvious improvement with the fact you've believe the coach was the blocking issue the whole time they were improving right in front of your face.
 
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