Conner Williams or McGovern at LG

[gmoney112]

That'll be fun. (Obviously) too soon to tell.

I'm guessing they do bring McGovern back this year, because in the short term he's going to get practice experience and be valuable depth at every interior OL position. LG, C, and RG. Looney is the man right now, I'm guessing, but McGovern will compete with him and if you're a playoff team you never know.

Next year will be interesting, but I expect Williams to be pretty solid next year, I can't complain too much and he's only through his 3rd game in his second year. Or maybe McGovern just turns out to be crazy next year and wins out, I'm just playing the odds here.

McGovern's value is going to be actual real talent that can back up any interior OL position, and compete at LG. I'd re-sign Looney and that OL would look great. Fleming is a $4.5m cap savings next year, with a $5m cap hit. I'm guessing we probably keep him, but I'd give Williams snaps at T in camp and see what he's got. I'd probably consider drafting an OT as well, considering Collins is signed and the Williams extension talks will be expected to begin after next year. If Williams keeps developing, and we're just not comfortable extending him with the OL contracts already (as well as the McGovern pick), it'd make a lot of sense to use him as trade bait after his 3rd year, and have a third round pick or something at OT, that we drafted already, playing swing and McGovern stepping up. Save $$, have a cheap rookie contract backup, and get a pick or two. In the meantime, it'd be sweet if Williams could play T in a pinch, and McGovern was salty enough to not see much drop off.

Lot of options for us. I think Williams is pretty decent for a 22 year old who's 3 games into his second season. After this year, it's going to be tough for McGovern to win that spot, unless Williams just falls off or something. And I actually liked the McGovern pick a lot. If he can start developing, his depth at any interior OL position would be worth its weight in gold. Then you have flexibility on Williams' contract too, possible trade options with an easier transition, etc. Next year though? I'd give the edge to Williams as of now, if he finishes the season pretty well, then he'd be the favorite. Crazier things have happened though.

I'd almost be tempted to redshirt McGovern just for that extra year, but the depth on the interior is too important for that, imo. Unless, you know, he's actually not going to play. But, I think he comes back.

 

[Manster68]

Then again, if Williams is your problem on the offensive line, you don't have a problem.

 

[Risen Star]

I think the odd man out will be Zack Martin.

 

[conner01]

I’d see whom of them has best potential at tackle but there is also a option of seeing which can play center and be future swing guy

 

[Beaker42]

We have not seen McGovern yet.

Connor Williams has been better than the 5th best OLineman most years.

He does get to some 2nd level blocks that some NFL OGs would not reach which means there are trade-offs.

Regardless, next off-season they should cross train Connor Williams at LT just in case unless they're planning to draft a legit developmental LT that could add another option as the backup LT. Cam Fleming at LT for an extended period of time would likely be a disaster. Fleming at RT is manageable and he is OK for a game here and there at LT but more than about 2 games in a row at LT for Fleming would likely be a problem.

C-Will is athletic but he whiffs way too often on pass blocks and he’s going to get Dak hurt. The Dolphins player who beat him and he held from the side (or didn’t hold according to one’s viewpoint) actually pulled up or he could’ve blasted Dak. I’m hoping McGovern can play LG. I’m also hoping Williams can play tackle because he can’t play OG good enough to not hurt us in a big game that’s close. He’s getting a rep for holding and the refs are keying on it because he doesn’t move his feet.

 

[xwalker]

C-Will is athletic but he whiffs way too often on pass blocks and he’s going to get Dak hurt. The Dolphins player who beat him and he held from the side (or didn’t hold according to one’s viewpoint) actually pulled up or he could’ve blasted Dak. I’m hoping McGovern can play LG. I’m also hoping Williams can play tackle because he can’t play OG good enough to not hurt us in a big game that’s close. He’s getting a rep for holding and the refs are keying on it because he doesn’t move his feet.

Do you review the games?

Do you have access to the coaches film?

 

[Beaker42]

Do you review the games?

Do you have access to the coaches film?

I’ve seen enough with my own eyes to know that anyone who says Connor is anything but an average OG at this point is lying to themselves. Poor pass blocking and poor foot movement plus penalties make him the weakest link on our line.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I think Mcgovern can beat out connor williams for the guard spot. Mcgovern has a better build for playing inside. I think williams' build is more athletic and better in space.

 

[CATCH17]

I can't wait to see McGovern play.

The classic road grader type that can move a guy.

Connor is good don't get me wrong but he just doesn't have a position in the NFL. Maybe a backup offensive tackle?

McGovern looks like a true guard.

 

[Scotman]

If he legitimately gets beat out at guard, you could see him become your future swing tackle.

 

[slotshot]

First in with "Clash of the Connors"!

 

[quickccc]

As one previous poster mentioned, maybe Williams's development may be similar to what Lael had recently been experiencing - as it appears Lael Collins could be back on track to his 2nd half 2017 form, after a very up and down underachieving 2018 campaign.
And because of that inconsistent campaign going into his final contract before free agency. ..and the impression that Connor maybe a better on an island and on the edge vs inside in the interior
– it was widely assumed that Williams was destined for the RT role in 2020 and Lael was destined for free agency.
The Cowboys obviously thought totally different than the outside world. And Lael’s re-signing long term totally close the book on those outside doubters.

-The Connor situations is going to be interesting as you don’t draft OGs early rounds to be mere depth and utility guys, those guys contribute and start immediately.
But if I’m either Conner, and looking to play and maximize my chance for my next big contract, I’m not going to looking to be sitting on the bench and not having the chance to prove myself.

Williams is considered the more higher graded player of the two Connors, coming into the NFL draft. I heard draft guru’s say post-draft that they were surprised Williams wasn’t a late round 1st rd pick
as well as a couple of tackles were taken ahead of him.
Plus remember again, we gave up a chance to trade for an All pro, (possibly hall of fame) safety because the club really thought that high of Williams and reportedly were so surprised he dropped
to their spot in the 2nd round pick.

Imo, because of the high draft player grades and premium pick investment, I tend to believe the Cowboys will give Williams every opportunity to develop and turn the corner, and retain the LG role.
Maybe they think he will have Lael type road bump lapses as he develops, but in the end, they will eventual get their pro bowl caliber OG.
You want that stud OG that you never have to worry about a Fletcher Cox, Donald or

I only read and have to go by McGovern’s draft profiles – and how he was a well reputed run blocker who excels in pulling and traps and still grades out well as a pass blocker.
According to his scouting reports he has the road grader lower body anchor strength and aggressive demeanor. And he has experience at both OG and C.

McGovern’s athleticism and mobility just isn’t on Williams’ level. C-Will was a well established college OT at Texas, difficult to beat on the outside who rarely gave up sacks.
But from everything I heard, Cowboys were so very high on McGovern, (even though they reportedly had never met with him personally outside the NFL combine)
that they said they were surprised he dropped down to their 3rd round pick and he was too much of a value that they could not pass him up.

I would think if you thought so high of a player, that you take him that high in the draft, that you have to be thinking starter/eventual pro bowler plans.

 

[jrumann59]

oddly enough, the issues Williams is having is not strength- related, hes not getting overpowered,..its' more sloppy technique-lapses and he seems to be
having hand placement issues, and he's not setting his base properly, and he's lunging and over extending, hes' ether late setting up or he's off balance.

one would think that's very coachable, but is Connor responding to coaching ? Or does he just need more time to deveop?
i made mention his conversion from OT to OG, as well as a lack of strength, bulk, but there was also the problematic teaching and new scheme of departed
OL coach Paul Alexander, to which i believe affected every OL in the uit.

La'el had this problem going into last season. Some guys take longer to refine technique. When they stop progressing when there is room for improvement that is a problem, XSF.

 

[quickccc]

If he legitimately gets beat out at guard, you could see him become your future swing tackle.

if Williams gets beat out for the starting LG, we would have no choice but make him an immediate swing/utility guy. A depth guy that plays both OG and OT.
But once William's rookie contract is up, and Tyron is still playing at a high level, I could see an NFL team coming after Williams in FA.
Williams camp is not going interested in re-signing a low tier contract just to remain a backup/depth guy.

Such as if another NFL team does sign him away , he moves on and we get a future compensatory pick, but yet there goes a highly invested draft pick that never panned out.

 

[Scotman]

if Williams gets beat out for the starting LG, we would have no choice but make him an immediate swing/utility guy. A depth guy that plays both OG and OT.
But once William's rookie contract is up, and Tyron is still playing at a high level, I could see an NFL team coming after Williams in FA.
Williams camp is not going interested in re-signing a low tier contract just to remain a backup/depth guy.

Such as if another NFL team does sign him away , he moves on and we get a future compensatory pick, but yet there goes a highly invested draft pick that never panned out.

I'm a bit more optimistic. It's not like our recent history has had a high percentage of highly invested picks that never pan out.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I thnk they need to see what they have in mcgovern who is a legitimate G and not a college tackle trying to be an NFL G. Connor WIllimans is simply out of position. He doesn't have the lower body to deal with NFL DTs. We should trade him to a team like Houston that needs OL help.........

 

[Jarv]

I can't wait to see McGovern play.

The classic road grader type that can move a guy.

Connor is good don't get me wrong but he just doesn't have a position in the NFL. Maybe a backup offensive tackle?

McGovern looks like a true guard.

It would be nice to see him perform like a Leary perhaps. Like most have said, it will be fun to have a legitimate prospect at guard to battle for a spot next year.

 

[cowboygo]

Connor williams is going to have lots of game experience. If McGovern beats him out in training camp next year, I trust the coaching staff with their decision. I don't see it happening though. It feels good to finally have depth at the O-Line position. Hopefully we don't have Williams and McGovern playing together at the same time in the near future.

For what its worth, I think Williams fits Moore's offense more than Linehan's. Also helps to finally have T.Fred back, which can mask deficiencies.

 

[Bullflop]

I'm well satisfied with both Connors and McGovern. I'll be looking forward to seeing them compete next year. May the best man win and the other maintain due respect, in his own right, for his considerable talent. We'll be fortunate to have both in whatever role they play.

 

[CF74]

I'm not certain if that's a compliment.

The kicker is stronger than Doug Free...

Williams is probably better suited to play tackle but Collins has that locked down now...