Video: Onside Kick Play: Miami was Offside

[DallasEast]

could you post the rest of the rule after "and"

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/miami-was-not-offsides-on-onside-kick.441201/page-2#post-9483916

The entire rule was posted in the thread YOU created about the onside kick over 38 hours before you made this request.

 

[Hdsportsfan]

Good info from the OP. I didn't realize the rule had changed. I didn't think they wee offsides, but that was based off the old rules. I didn't realize both feet had to still be on the ground. A bit ticky-tacky but it was a good call by the rule.

 

[whynot]

how would that work if they can just call for a fair catch?

I assume that’s why onside kicks are driven into the ground rather than kicked into the air, so that the other team can’t call fair catch?

 

[buybuydandavis]

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2019-nfl-rulebook/

1. From the time the kicker begins his approach to the ball and until the ball is kicked,
   1. all kicking team players other than the kicker must be lined up with at least one foot on the yard line that is one yard behind their restraining line, and both feet must remain on the ground until the ball is kicked; and

I hate weird specialty rules like this.

Okay, can't move your feet. Fine. I hate that they're destroying kickoffs, but it's intentional, so fine.

But demanding that one foot is one yard behind the restraining line is just an entirely unnecessary weirdoism. Let them set their feet wherever they want behind the restraining line.

If some guy gets lazy and his *back* foot is an inch off the minus one yard line, *who cares*? I thought they wanted to minimize kickoffs. Now they're gonna face rekicks because of foot faults on the *rear* foot?

 

[buybuydandavis]

Actually it might’ve just been revolutionized.

Look up what what the Ravens Justin Tuck did last week. He drop kicked an onside kick high into the air (which is legal) giving his team a chance to run under it. The Kansas City kick returner wisely called for a fair catch but if he hadn’t that’s a live ball that anybody could’ve recovered or even caught out of the air.

In fifty years of watching football I’ve near seen it done before but if kickers practiced it and perfected getting the ball high into the air to let their team get under the ball it would absolutely work.

However, if it catches on the league would probably ban it because it would create those high impact collisions they are trying to eliminate.

I'd never seen a drop kick so high before. Only the FG style drop kick.

 

[buybuydandavis]

right now I have no clue what is or isnt a catch, maybe that is what they want.

No Fun League

I'm always baffled how guys who inherit franchises that simply print money find ways to screw it up.

 

[Beaker42]

I dislike the rule, but it's the rule. Of course, I'm an anarchist so... take my dislikes with a pound/mound of salt.

Didn’t it used to be no player could be ahead of the ball before it left the tee? Is the two feet on ground until ball is kicked new?

 

[Picksix]

Didn’t it used to be no player could be ahead of the ball before it left the tee? Is the two feet on ground until ball is kicked new?

Just changed within the last year or two. Kinda like stealing in little league. Can't leave until the ball is pitched, or in this case, kicked.

 

[G2]

I think the issue with the call is that some fans didn't know the penalty existed.

With all the rules changes with regard to kick offs, they've taken the fun and excitement right out of it.

 

[blueblood70]

so we have dueling threads one say yes one says no

on play that does not matter..did it have direct outcome on the game? id say at 31-6 NO

 

[Swanny]

Actually it might’ve just been revolutionized.

Look up what what the Ravens Justin Tuck did last week. He drop kicked an onside kick high into the air (which is legal) giving his team a chance to run under it. The Kansas City kick returner wisely called for a fair catch but if he hadn’t that’s a live ball that anybody could’ve recovered or even caught out of the air.

In fifty years of watching football I’ve near seen it done before but if kickers practiced it and perfected getting the ball high into the air to let their team get under the ball it would absolutely work.

However, if it catches on the league would probably ban it because it would create those high impact collisions they are trying to eliminate.

It's useless to kick it high it's very well known to fair catch it if that happens.

 

[Corso]

Didn’t it used to be no player could be ahead of the ball before it left the tee? Is the two feet on ground until ball is kicked new?

Yeah, brand new.

 

[xwalker]

I hate weird specialty rules like this.

Okay, can't move your feet. Fine. I hate that they're destroying kickoffs, but it's intentional, so fine.

But demanding that one foot is one yard behind the restraining line is just an entirely unnecessary weirdoism. Let them set their feet wherever they want behind the restraining line.

If some guy gets lazy and his *back* foot is an inch off the minus one yard line, *who cares*? I thought they wanted to minimize kickoffs. Now they're gonna face rekicks because of foot faults on the *rear* foot?

I think it was just easier to say that the feet couldn't move than to define what movements they could or couldn't make before the kick.

They didn't want them running up to the line before the kick or running laterally.

I didn't see the need to change the rules in the first place.

 

[kskboys]

That was multiple offsides. I don't know how anyone can try to dispute it.

Yeah, I thought it was blatantly obvious right away.

 

[kskboys]

I am not sure it is that easy as any player in the receiving team can call for a fair catch and that’s including the up linemen. So the drop kick can be kicked has high as possible but the receiving team will just call a fair catch and they must be allowed to attempt the catch.

The ball has to hit the ground and then bounce up. That makes it so the fair catch cannot be called.

 

[kskboys]

how would that work if they can just call for a fair catch?

Can't call for a fair catch if the ball hits the ground after it hits his foot.

 

[Runwildboys]

The ball has to hit the ground and then bounce up. That makes it so the fair catch cannot be called.

I'm guessing by your response that it was an onside kick, rather than a "drop kick" that the poster was talking about? I still haven't been able to see the game, and haven't read this whole thread.

 

[kskboys]

I'm guessing by your response that it was an onside kick, rather than a "drop kick" that the poster was talking about? I still haven't been able to see the game, and haven't read this whole thread.

I haven't seen it either, but if the ball doesn't hit the ground after it hits his foot, I see no reason why a fair catch can't be called. Must hit ground after foot.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

The ball has to hit the ground and then bounce up. That makes it so the fair catch cannot be called.

The OP was talking about a “Free Kick”, not an “Onside Kick”.

 

[jaythecowboy]

The OP was talking about a “Free Kick”, not an “Onside Kick”.

Your post is a bit confusing as an onside kick is a type of free kick.