Another season in decline; same franchise built on ignoring the truth

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It can be hard to look in the mirror. Most people won't. They refuse to. They'll change the way the look, the way they talk, the way they vote, the scene they frequent, the tone they live, but they won't ever look deep into that mirror. Never.

Way too much reality in that reflection.

No doubt Jerry is shattering mirrors in every corner of the The Star today because he's the last to look in one himself. He's gonna sell this turd until the cash register stops ringing. He's an owner looking down the barrel of his own mortality, and he hasn't got the time to reevaluate right now. Twenty-five years of truth he'd rather forget altogether.

Some of us got shunned and guffawed when we had the nerve to mention three weeks ago that we really didn't know anything about this team yet. Those opponents are now a whopping 2-12 on the season. Those three wins meant absolutely nothing. They were the fool's gold of a fool's fool.

The number 10 is a nice round number, so I'll list 10 truths that are hard to hear. But like you, I could list them all day long. The cracks in this veneer are deep and troublesome.

1. How many more winnable games are there after the Jets? You've got the Commanders, and......? Look at the Buffalo and Chicago defenses. The Patriots, Rams, and Eagles twice. The Lions are no joke, nor are the Vikings. The Giants are better than they were the first time. Are there 5 more wins on the schedule? That'd be 8-8, and frankly, that seems a bit optimistic.

2. Let's get Dak out of the way, though he's just the beginning. The guy is simply average. He's inaccurate with any pressure in his face at all. He lacks confidence in himself in games like the last two weeks. If one or two pieces of the offense are missing, he's lost. Both he and Rodgers were under pressure yesterday, but Rodgers just stepped around it and dropped perfect balls everywhere. Dak threw for 0 yards on third down. He was absolutely dreadful when it mattered, just like the week before.

3. The offense is broken because of #2. Good defense simply have ZERO respect for Dallas' passing game. Scott Linehan, Kellen Moore.....doesn't really matter who's calling the plays. Defenses play downhill and aggressive against Dallas to just overwhelm the Cowboys offensive line with numbers. It negates the bevy of talent in the receiving corps. They simply know that this isn't a high-scoring offense against good defenses. They don't fear it whatsoever. And Jerry's about to dump $35 million a year on the QB running it, cementing that truth for the the next several years.

4. Zeke is starting to look like a Dez contract already.

5. So is Lawrence and Jaylon. Cooper and Dak are soon to follow.

6. Joe Thomas and Sean Lee are better than Jaylon and LVE right now. The two young guns are getting owned. Jones tore LVE up yesterday. Both of them just got smashed off the ball and juked out of their shorts. Both were completely lost in coverage. They didn't fill a single gap yesterday. Green Bay ran up the middle at will.

7. The kicker sucks. Still. As does the punter suddenly for no reason.

8. The pass rush looks pedestrian yet again. They provided some pressure yesterday to a degree, but a top tier quarterback was not really bothered. Neither will the others that follow.

9. Xavier looks lost in the back. Heath is playing by himself, and not very good at that because he's the Dak Prescott of the defense. Average at best. The corners are trying to keep up, but the pass rush is selling them out. It's a fire drill.

10. The franchise is just broken. Nobody is really the GM. Nobody is really the head coach. Nobody is really the OC or DC. It's this nebulous organizational mob by committee trying to pretend and hype an overrated roster into more than it is. Hope is still the strategy, as it has been for 25 years. They aren't willing to do what really needs to be done. You can see it in Garrett's face. He's a token coach of a token staff led by a Jed Clampett family dynasty. It ain't every gonna change.
 

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I think it was a good post erod

The problem is no one wants to give it a like because doing so completely reinforces your point and is basically confirming to each and every one of us that we're doomed

It usually takes us until about week 7 or 8 to reach that point in an average season. If you don't mind I'll hold out a couple more weeks just for old times sake LOL
 

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The problem is no one wants to give it a like because doing so completely reinforces your point and is basically confirming to each and every one of us that we're doomed

We were doomed after the opener in Carolina last year and the blowout loss to Colts also. I'm so glad Jerry looked in the mirror and forfeited the rest of the season after those losses.
 

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I think it was a good post erod

The problem is no one wants to give it a like because doing so completely reinforces your point and is basically confirming to each and every one of us that we're doomed

It usually takes us until about week 7 or 8 to reach that point in an average season. If you don't mind I'll hold out a couple more weeks just for old times sake LOL
Not looking for likes. Just generating discussion.

I'm really disturbed by the response, or lack thereof, from the team today. They don't recognize the repetitive nature of games like yesterday. We've seen that game 25 times in recent years.

The lack of detail with this team is alarming.
 

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Not looking for likes. Just generating discussion.

I'm really disturbed by the response, or lack thereof, from the team today. They don't recognize the repetitive nature of games like yesterday. We've seen that game 25 times in recent years.

The lack of detail with this team is alarming.

well you often hear people say that a team takes on the personality of its head coach

In some ways the lack of reaction in my opinion speaks a lot to Garrett's personality. Never get rattled never show too much emotion, stay even keel, stay the course

In many ways these are very admirable and positive qualities. But I am also a firm believer that there is a time and a place to get a little bit agitated every now and then, and I'm not talking about slamming down a challenge flag

In some ways the lack of urgency by this team coming off a back-to-back horrific performances, may be symptomatic of the double-edged conundrum that is Jason Garrett. And probably to some extent Jerry Jones as well
 

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It can be hard to look in the mirror. Most people won't. They refuse to. They'll change the way the look, the way they talk, the way they vote, the scene they frequent, the tone they live, but they won't ever look deep into that mirror. Never.

Way too much reality in that reflection.

No doubt Jerry is shattering mirrors in every corner of the The Star today because he's the last to look in one himself. He's gonna sell this turd until the cash register stops ringing. He's an owner looking down the barrel of his own mortality, and he hasn't got the time to reevaluate right now. Twenty-five years of truth he'd rather forget altogether.

Some of us got shunned and guffawed when we had the nerve to mention three weeks ago that we really didn't know anything about this team yet. Those opponents are now a whopping 2-12 on the season. Those three wins meant absolutely nothing. They were the fool's gold of a fool's fool.

The number 10 is a nice round number, so I'll list 10 truths that are hard to hear. But like you, I could list them all day long. The cracks in this veneer are deep and troublesome.

1. How many more winnable games are there after the Jets? You've got the Commanders, and......? Look at the Buffalo and Chicago defenses. The Patriots, Rams, and Eagles twice. The Lions are no joke, nor are the Vikings. The Giants are better than they were the first time. Are there 5 more wins on the schedule? That'd be 8-8, and frankly, that seems a bit optimistic.

2. Let's get Dak out of the way, though he's just the beginning. The guy is simply average. He's inaccurate with any pressure in his face at all. He lacks confidence in himself in games like the last two weeks. If one or two pieces of the offense are missing, he's lost. Both he and Rodgers were under pressure yesterday, but Rodgers just stepped around it and dropped perfect balls everywhere. Dak threw for 0 yards on third down. He was absolutely dreadful when it mattered, just like the week before.

3. The offense is broken because of #2. Good defense simply have ZERO respect for Dallas' passing game. Scott Linehan, Kellen Moore.....doesn't really matter who's calling the plays. Defenses play downhill and aggressive against Dallas to just overwhelm the Cowboys offensive line with numbers. It negates the bevy of talent in the receiving corps. They simply know that this isn't a high-scoring offense against good defenses. They don't fear it whatsoever. And Jerry's about to dump $35 million a year on the QB running it, cementing that truth for the the next several years.

4. Zeke is starting to look like a Dez contract already.

5. So is Lawrence and Jaylon. Cooper and Dak are soon to follow.

6. Joe Thomas and Sean Lee are better than Jaylon and LVE right now. The two young guns are getting owned. Jones tore LVE up yesterday. Both of them just got smashed off the ball and juked out of their shorts. Both were completely lost in coverage. They didn't fill a single gap yesterday. Green Bay ran up the middle at will.

7. The kicker sucks. Still. As does the punter suddenly for no reason.

8. The pass rush looks pedestrian yet again. They provided some pressure yesterday to a degree, but a top tier quarterback was not really bothered. Neither will the others that follow.

9. Xavier looks lost in the back. Heath is playing by himself, and not very good at that because he's the Dak Prescott of the defense. Average at best. The corners are trying to keep up, but the pass rush is selling them out. It's a fire drill.

10. The franchise is just broken. Nobody is really the GM. Nobody is really the head coach. Nobody is really the OC or DC. It's this nebulous organizational mob by committee trying to pretend and hype an overrated roster into more than it is. Hope is still the strategy, as it has been for 25 years. They aren't willing to do what really needs to be done. You can see it in Garrett's face. He's a token coach of a token staff led by a Jed Clampett family dynasty. It ain't every gonna change.

Start with Garrett and go from there.

Dak is the best thing this team has going. 463 yards passing and 2 TD's, probably should have been 3. 1600 yards passing and 12 TD's in 5 weeks. Two picks yesterday were the fault of the receivers.

The kid is a complete stud.
 

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It can be hard to look in the mirror. Most people won't. They refuse to. They'll change the way the look, the way they talk, the way they vote, the scene they frequent, the tone they live, but they won't ever look deep into that mirror. Never.

Way too much reality in that reflection.

No doubt Jerry is shattering mirrors in every corner of the The Star today because he's the last to look in one himself. He's gonna sell this turd until the cash register stops ringing. He's an owner looking down the barrel of his own mortality, and he hasn't got the time to reevaluate right now. Twenty-five years of truth he'd rather forget altogether.

Some of us got shunned and guffawed when we had the nerve to mention three weeks ago that we really didn't know anything about this team yet. Those opponents are now a whopping 2-12 on the season. Those three wins meant absolutely nothing. They were the fool's gold of a fool's fool.

The number 10 is a nice round number, so I'll list 10 truths that are hard to hear. But like you, I could list them all day long. The cracks in this veneer are deep and troublesome.

1. How many more winnable games are there after the Jets? You've got the Commanders, and......? Look at the Buffalo and Chicago defenses. The Patriots, Rams, and Eagles twice. The Lions are no joke, nor are the Vikings. The Giants are better than they were the first time. Are there 5 more wins on the schedule? That'd be 8-8, and frankly, that seems a bit optimistic.

2. Let's get Dak out of the way, though he's just the beginning. The guy is simply average. He's inaccurate with any pressure in his face at all. He lacks confidence in himself in games like the last two weeks. If one or two pieces of the offense are missing, he's lost. Both he and Rodgers were under pressure yesterday, but Rodgers just stepped around it and dropped perfect balls everywhere. Dak threw for 0 yards on third down. He was absolutely dreadful when it mattered, just like the week before.

3. The offense is broken because of #2. Good defense simply have ZERO respect for Dallas' passing game. Scott Linehan, Kellen Moore.....doesn't really matter who's calling the plays. Defenses play downhill and aggressive against Dallas to just overwhelm the Cowboys offensive line with numbers. It negates the bevy of talent in the receiving corps. They simply know that this isn't a high-scoring offense against good defenses. They don't fear it whatsoever. And Jerry's about to dump $35 million a year on the QB running it, cementing that truth for the the next several years.

4. Zeke is starting to look like a Dez contract already.

5. So is Lawrence and Jaylon. Cooper and Dak are soon to follow.

6. Joe Thomas and Sean Lee are better than Jaylon and LVE right now. The two young guns are getting owned. Jones tore LVE up yesterday. Both of them just got smashed off the ball and juked out of their shorts. Both were completely lost in coverage. They didn't fill a single gap yesterday. Green Bay ran up the middle at will.

7. The kicker sucks. Still. As does the punter suddenly for no reason.

8. The pass rush looks pedestrian yet again. They provided some pressure yesterday to a degree, but a top tier quarterback was not really bothered. Neither will the others that follow.

9. Xavier looks lost in the back. Heath is playing by himself, and not very good at that because he's the Dak Prescott of the defense. Average at best. The corners are trying to keep up, but the pass rush is selling them out. It's a fire drill.

10. The franchise is just broken. Nobody is really the GM. Nobody is really the head coach. Nobody is really the OC or DC. It's this nebulous organizational mob by committee trying to pretend and hype an overrated roster into more than it is. Hope is still the strategy, as it has been for 25 years. They aren't willing to do what really needs to be done. You can see it in Garrett's face. He's a token coach of a token staff led by a Jed Clampett family dynasty. It ain't every gonna change.
All completely wrong but when the team loses it opens them up to all critics.

The only thing worse than losing the game is this analysis.

I've seen many good analysis at CZ since the end of the game but this is NOT one of them.
 

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All completely wrong but when the team loses it opens them up to all critics.

The only thing worse than losing the game is this analysis.

I've seen many good analysis at CZ since the end of the game but this is NOT one of them.

No, it's the reality of the situation.

This fan base was lathered up in a big pom-pom orgy after beating three teams that barely qualify as NFL teams.

Then a Brees-less Saints team thumps them in the nose, and the Packers waltz in and put a 31-3 on the board.

A running back who'd barely done anything lately ran like he was Walter Payton. What are Leveon Bell, Dalvin Cook, Sony Michel, Jordan Howard, Kerryon Johnson, and Frank Gore going to do to them?
 

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It can be hard to look in the mirror. Most people won't. They refuse to. They'll change the way the look, the way they talk, the way they vote, the scene they frequent, the tone they live, but they won't ever look deep into that mirror. Never.

Way too much reality in that reflection.

No doubt Jerry is shattering mirrors in every corner of the The Star today because he's the last to look in one himself. He's gonna sell this turd until the cash register stops ringing. He's an owner looking down the barrel of his own mortality, and he hasn't got the time to reevaluate right now. Twenty-five years of truth he'd rather forget altogether.

Some of us got shunned and guffawed when we had the nerve to mention three weeks ago that we really didn't know anything about this team yet. Those opponents are now a whopping 2-12 on the season. Those three wins meant absolutely nothing. They were the fool's gold of a fool's fool.

The number 10 is a nice round number, so I'll list 10 truths that are hard to hear. But like you, I could list them all day long. The cracks in this veneer are deep and troublesome.

1. How many more winnable games are there after the Jets? You've got the Commanders, and......? Look at the Buffalo and Chicago defenses. The Patriots, Rams, and Eagles twice. The Lions are no joke, nor are the Vikings. The Giants are better than they were the first time. Are there 5 more wins on the schedule? That'd be 8-8, and frankly, that seems a bit optimistic.

2. Let's get Dak out of the way, though he's just the beginning. The guy is simply average. He's inaccurate with any pressure in his face at all. He lacks confidence in himself in games like the last two weeks. If one or two pieces of the offense are missing, he's lost. Both he and Rodgers were under pressure yesterday, but Rodgers just stepped around it and dropped perfect balls everywhere. Dak threw for 0 yards on third down. He was absolutely dreadful when it mattered, just like the week before.

3. The offense is broken because of #2. Good defense simply have ZERO respect for Dallas' passing game. Scott Linehan, Kellen Moore.....doesn't really matter who's calling the plays. Defenses play downhill and aggressive against Dallas to just overwhelm the Cowboys offensive line with numbers. It negates the bevy of talent in the receiving corps. They simply know that this isn't a high-scoring offense against good defenses. They don't fear it whatsoever. And Jerry's about to dump $35 million a year on the QB running it, cementing that truth for the the next several years.

4. Zeke is starting to look like a Dez contract already.

5. So is Lawrence and Jaylon. Cooper and Dak are soon to follow.

6. Joe Thomas and Sean Lee are better than Jaylon and LVE right now. The two young guns are getting owned. Jones tore LVE up yesterday. Both of them just got smashed off the ball and juked out of their shorts. Both were completely lost in coverage. They didn't fill a single gap yesterday. Green Bay ran up the middle at will.

7. The kicker sucks. Still. As does the punter suddenly for no reason.

8. The pass rush looks pedestrian yet again. They provided some pressure yesterday to a degree, but a top tier quarterback was not really bothered. Neither will the others that follow.

9. Xavier looks lost in the back. Heath is playing by himself, and not very good at that because he's the Dak Prescott of the defense. Average at best. The corners are trying to keep up, but the pass rush is selling them out. It's a fire drill.

10. The franchise is just broken. Nobody is really the GM. Nobody is really the head coach. Nobody is really the OC or DC. It's this nebulous organizational mob by committee trying to pretend and hype an overrated roster into more than it is. Hope is still the strategy, as it has been for 25 years. They aren't willing to do what really needs to be done. You can see it in Garrett's face. He's a token coach of a token staff led by a Jed Clampett family dynasty. It ain't every gonna change.

So if 8-8 is optimistic what can I put you down for? 6-10?

Ill stick with my original 11-5. I dont feel the need to abandon ship, just like I didn't last year when team tank was running rampant on this board. We've got a long ways to go.

As far as those first 3 games being meaningless we didn't just beat 3 bad teams. We destroyed 3 bad teams. We lost 2 close games to two really good teams. Those games were riddled with mistakes. I dont think that continues. But what the hell do I know??
 

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6-10 and 2nd place in the awful NFC EAST. Eagles have clearly become the best team.
 

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It can be hard to look in the mirror. Most people won't. They refuse to. They'll change the way the look, the way they talk, the way they vote, the scene they frequent, the tone they live, but they won't ever look deep into that mirror. Never.

Way too much reality in that reflection.

No doubt Jerry is shattering mirrors in every corner of the The Star today because he's the last to look in one himself. He's gonna sell this turd until the cash register stops ringing. He's an owner looking down the barrel of his own mortality, and he hasn't got the time to reevaluate right now. Twenty-five years of truth he'd rather forget altogether.

Some of us got shunned and guffawed when we had the nerve to mention three weeks ago that we really didn't know anything about this team yet. Those opponents are now a whopping 2-12 on the season. Those three wins meant absolutely nothing. They were the fool's gold of a fool's fool.

The number 10 is a nice round number, so I'll list 10 truths that are hard to hear. But like you, I could list them all day long. The cracks in this veneer are deep and troublesome.

1. How many more winnable games are there after the Jets? You've got the Commanders, and......? Look at the Buffalo and Chicago defenses. The Patriots, Rams, and Eagles twice. The Lions are no joke, nor are the Vikings. The Giants are better than they were the first time. Are there 5 more wins on the schedule? That'd be 8-8, and frankly, that seems a bit optimistic.

2. Let's get Dak out of the way, though he's just the beginning. The guy is simply average. He's inaccurate with any pressure in his face at all. He lacks confidence in himself in games like the last two weeks. If one or two pieces of the offense are missing, he's lost. Both he and Rodgers were under pressure yesterday, but Rodgers just stepped around it and dropped perfect balls everywhere. Dak threw for 0 yards on third down. He was absolutely dreadful when it mattered, just like the week before.

3. The offense is broken because of #2. Good defense simply have ZERO respect for Dallas' passing game. Scott Linehan, Kellen Moore.....doesn't really matter who's calling the plays. Defenses play downhill and aggressive against Dallas to just overwhelm the Cowboys offensive line with numbers. It negates the bevy of talent in the receiving corps. They simply know that this isn't a high-scoring offense against good defenses. They don't fear it whatsoever. And Jerry's about to dump $35 million a year on the QB running it, cementing that truth for the the next several years.

4. Zeke is starting to look like a Dez contract already.

5. So is Lawrence and Jaylon. Cooper and Dak are soon to follow.

6. Joe Thomas and Sean Lee are better than Jaylon and LVE right now. The two young guns are getting owned. Jones tore LVE up yesterday. Both of them just got smashed off the ball and juked out of their shorts. Both were completely lost in coverage. They didn't fill a single gap yesterday. Green Bay ran up the middle at will.

7. The kicker sucks. Still. As does the punter suddenly for no reason.

8. The pass rush looks pedestrian yet again. They provided some pressure yesterday to a degree, but a top tier quarterback was not really bothered. Neither will the others that follow.

9. Xavier looks lost in the back. Heath is playing by himself, and not very good at that because he's the Dak Prescott of the defense. Average at best. The corners are trying to keep up, but the pass rush is selling them out. It's a fire drill.

10. The franchise is just broken. Nobody is really the GM. Nobody is really the head coach. Nobody is really the OC or DC. It's this nebulous organizational mob by committee trying to pretend and hype an overrated roster into more than it is. Hope is still the strategy, as it has been for 25 years. They aren't willing to do what really needs to be done. You can see it in Garrett's face. He's a token coach of a token staff led by a Jed Clampett family dynasty. It ain't every gonna change.

I actually disagree about Dak lacking confidence, it's the opposite to me, he's getting TOO confident that it's bordering on cocky. There are throws he simply can't make, he's gone from conservative to gun slinging. I guess you could also say this is desperation with the contract looming.

He probably would have got paid what he wanted if he stuck to the play style of old. I'm not sure Prescott fits what Moore is trying to do here.
 

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Solid post but one of those ten points should have been spent on Maliek Collins. He is the weak link in the run defense. Yet another overrated training camp star.
 

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So if 8-8 is optimistic what can I put you down for? 6-10?

Ill stick with my original 11-5. I dont feel the need to abandon ship, just like I didn't last year when team tank was running rampant on this board. We've got a long ways to go.

As far as those first 3 games being meaningless we didn't just beat 3 bad teams. We destroyed 3 bad teams. We lost 2 close games to two really good teams. Those games were riddled with mistakes. I dont think that continues. But what the hell do I know??

The game yesterday was not close.
 

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Dak is fine and doesn't lack confidence. If anything he gets too greedy at times. I rather have THAT though, than checking it down all the time Gotta take some risk, within reason. He was the very least of our probs yesterday. IN FACT, he hoisted the team on his back and played very well late. THAT was encouraging.
 

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Solid post but one of those ten points should have been spent on Maliek Collins. He is the weak link in the run defense. Yet another overrated training camp star.
Cannot argue that. He has had a rough 2 weeks or so.
 

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No, it's the reality of the situation.

This fan base was lathered up in a big pom-pom orgy after beating three teams that barely qualify as NFL teams.

Then a Brees-less Saints team thumps them in the nose, and the Packers waltz in and put a 31-3 on the board.

A running back who'd barely done anything lately ran like he was Walter Payton. What are Leveon Bell, Dalvin Cook, Sony Michel, Jordan Howard, Kerryon Johnson, and Frank Gore going to do to them?
All of you reasons on why it happened are wrong.

If a Cowboys QB was known to be closing his eyes before throwing a pass you would show up with a thread about the defense.
 
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