Jimmy Johnson deserves the amount of respect Jason Garrett is getting from Jerry Jones

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and when the boss offers a toast...and you refuse to honor that toast....well....whatever happens....happens.
they should've worked it out.
but return or ackowledge the boss' toast.
Jimmy always wanted to move on after 5 years. Always had at every stop.
He has said repeatedly that he was burnt out and ready to go fishing for a year or two.

But when Jacksonville started a new franchise, it probably didn't helped matters when an actively employed coach of the Cowboys said it would be a job he'd like.

Disrespect ran both ways
 

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Jerry won't even put Jimmy in the ROH. I wonder if Jimmy gets in the HOF will it happen or will he still have to wait like Tex to get in?
 

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Jimmy always wanted to move on after 5 years. Always had at every stop.
He has said repeatedly that he was burnt out and ready to go fishing for a year or two.

But when Jacksonville started a new franchise, it probably didn't helped matters when an actively employed coach of the Cowboys said it would be a job he'd like.

Disrespect ran both ways
sure it did.
and I would be pissed to if my coach doesnt return my toast and is talkin on the side to an expansion team.
 

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Johnson- Maximized talent and arguably gave the boys its best run in franchise history

Garrett-Misused, mismanaged talent and wasted an entire decade with rosters that were arguably just as good the 90s


I know today is supposed to be an emotional day for the Joneses but it’s a microcosm of what’s wrong with the Dallas Cowboys
I agree with the premise. Once you said rosters compared to the 90's I laughed my *** off.
 

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It's hard to say that Johnson maximized talent when the same talent went out and won a Super Bowl without him.
LOL, WHAT?!

That was Johnson's team Switzer won with. Just as Gruden won with Dungy's & Tomlin with Cowerds. You never post nonsense like this. Erod, is that you behind Future avatar?! :laugh:
 

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Johnson- Maximized talent and arguably gave the boys its best run in franchise history

Garrett-Misused, mismanaged talent and wasted an entire decade with rosters that were arguably just as good the 90s


I know today is supposed to be an emotional day for the Joneses but it’s a microcosm of what’s wrong with the Dallas Cowboys
Deserves mean nothing in this organization.
Jerry doesn't deserve to be GM.
Garret doesn't deserve to be head coach.
Marinelli doesn't deserve to be Defensive coordinator.
Quinn doesn't deserve to be special teams coordinator.
Maher didn't deserve to be the kicker as long as he lasted.
DLaw doesn't deserve $20 mil a year.
Basically, there is no accountability and ignorance runs rampant.

But alas, the reason Garrett won't be fired is because he's Jerry's beloved red-headed stepchild.
It's like the little league coach who makes his son the starting quarterback even though he's not any good.
Or the owner of a company who makes his son the boss even though he's an idiot.
 

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Jerry is treating JG like he won three Super Bowls Jerry is an Old Fool !
 

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LOL, WHAT?!

That was Johnson's team Switzer won with. Just as Gruden won with Dungy's & Tomlin with Cowerds. You never post nonsense like this. Erod, is that you behind Future avatar?! :laugh:
I know it was Jimmy's team lol.

My point is that it's hard to say a guy maximized talent - which to me, means achieving more than the talent on paper - when someone else did the exact same thing with the group. Of course Jimmy built it, but Switzer accomplished the same with the talent.
 

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JG deserves no respect all he has ever been is an 8-8 coach !
 

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Landry is in the Ring. That is an error on your part.

You are correct about Jimmy.
hum, my bad then, I do not recall them adding Tom, so if true then ok, doesn't change my opinion of JJ one iota...he is still a rotten POS.
 

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I know what you are getting at and many Cowboys fans are ignorant of history on this one (ignorant not meant in any sort of pejorative or insulting fashion, but that they literally don't know the facts of how that deal went down)

Fact is--Bum Bright took less money from Jerry when selling the team than Bright could have gotten from other prospective buyers, because Jerry was the only guy who wanted to start fresh with a new coach.

Bright wanted Landry fired. Bright sold to Jerry for less because Jerry was the only guy who said he would do so.
it was one of the central deciding factors in the sale of the Cowboys. Landry's dismissal was as much or more Bum Bright's call, as it was Jerry's.

And I'm not "defending" Jerry as I"m sure you aren't. It's just that this narrative of how Coach Landry ended up being relieved of his duties is often greatly misunderstood. Jerry was a factor in that process but not the sole factor, by any means.
assuming folks are ignorant about the whys and whats of JJ firing Tom, is a bit arrogant to say the least. Most of could care less why Tom was let go, what we ALL remember is HOW Jerry did the deed. Who cares about the history of it. Like all things JJ, it's stinks right down to the core.
 

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Johnson- Maximized talent and arguably gave the boys its best run in franchise history

Garrett-Misused, mismanaged talent and wasted an entire decade with rosters that were arguably just as good the 90s


I know today is supposed to be an emotional day for the Joneses but it’s a microcosm of what’s wrong with the Dallas Cowboys

Jerry and Jimmy's big egos clashed leading to that separation, so it was a different situation. Jerry was trying to take more credit than he should have for Johnson's accomplishment. Johnson, who wanted to move on to the next challenge, spouted off about it and they broke up the best hope we had for building a long-term dynasty.

I'm not sure with the salary cap being implemented if they would have been successful long term anyway. Johnson wasn't able to repeat that success in Miami, and Jerry/Stephen were struggling to get a handle on the cap.
 

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Jimmy was about to abandon the team BEFORE the argument with Jerry.

Landry was treated far worse.
 

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hum, my bad then, I do not recall them adding Tom, so if true then ok, doesn't change my opinion of JJ one iota...he is still a rotten POS.

Fair enough, just wanted to make sure the historical record was stated accurately
 

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assuming folks are ignorant about the whys and whats of JJ firing Tom, is a bit arrogant to say the least. Most of could care less why Tom was let go, what we ALL remember is HOW Jerry did the deed. Who cares about the history of it. Like all things JJ, it's stinks right down to the core.

Not arrogant at all
That's why I out the disclaimer in there. Do me a favor and look up the definition of ignorant, consistent with the manner in which I used it.

As I said, not pejorative or insulting.
It literally means most people do not know the facts of how the deal went down. I'm guessing you may not have previously been aware of Mr Bright's conditions of sale, given your reaction where you flat out stated "who cares" about why it happened. I'd say the why is at least as, if not more, important than the how. You may disagree and that's fine.

If you were offended or considered that an arrogant comment, my apologies. But only for the misunderstanding. It was proper application of a word that is often used in insulting fashion, but wasn't in this case.
 
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