Video: What Rodgers looked like before Mike McCarthy

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Was that McCarthy though?

So you think Sherman had him developed to that point in 1 year and McCarthy just sat him for the next two?

 

[mattjames2010]

Was that McCarthy though?

I'm a Texas A&M fan, and it reminds me of the time when people thought Kevin Sumlin was a QB guru because he developed Case Keenum at Houston and Johnny Manziel at TAMU into two of the most productive college quarterbacks in history. Turns out it was all his OC, Kliff Kingsbury. Kingsbury has continued to develop great QBs while Sumlin has washed out.

While Rodgers had a good game, you can actually see he was still working on his mechanics in 2007



Compare to his first start against the Vikings in 2008

 

[ConstantReboot]

If McCarthy is such a genius QB coach, how come Rodgers backup didn't excel when Rodgers was injured?

Also, I really have a hard time believing that a brand new NFL HC had the time to coach up his HOF starting QB and also coach up the backup. Usually it's the QB coach and OC that do that...

It would be awesome if McCarthy is as good as some wish but I think he's more likely to continue to underperform like he did during his last years with GB.

If I recall correctly one of Roger's backup whipped us. Does that count?

McCarthy comes from a quality assurance (QA) background. So I'm sure that he had influence over Roger's mechanics, etc. QBs don't magically have better mechanics all of a sudden.

To say McCarthy had no influence on Rogers is nothing more than a reach.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

What the hell are you talking about? Tony Romo's development from UNDFA to starter happened under Parcells lol

And again, can some of you actually use your brain and do research? I think having the development of Rich Gannon and Aaron Rodgers, along with getting Brett Favre's career back on track is a little better resume than Wade and Jason taking over Parcell's team.

Don't forget McCarthy also had Joe Montana

 

[beware_d-ware]

So you think Sherman had him developed to that point in 1 year and McCarthy just sat him for the next two?

Who says it has to be the HC?

For example, Dak improved monumentally between 2018 and 2019, and a lot of it was clearly because he shored up his mechanics. No more wild arm-punts, no more spinning out left when he felt pressure, etc. I give the credit for that leap to Tom House and Jon Kitna. Kellen Moore's infinitely-better-than-Linehan system no doubt helped Dak, but Moore didn't have anything to do with his huge step up in technique. And I wouldn't give a spit of credit to Garrett.

In general, it's weird how fans want to give the most credit for young players developing to the coaches who usually have the least amount of interaction with them. If you want to order the most significant factors in player development to the least, I'd say it goes:

-Themselves (experience with time, physical development, simple willingness to work hard and listen to instruction - sounds easy, but some guys like Trysten Hill don't even do it).

-Position coaches (day to day practice work, film review, technique instruction)

-Coordinators (system)

-Head coaches.

I'm not saying that HCs can't impact a player's development - I just wrote in another thread today about how Andy Reid has elevated every quarterback he's ever worked with. It's happened 5 separate times over 20 years with two different teams, so I think that's enough to rule out any confounding factors and say that it really is Reid. But HCs are the last factor I'd look at.

 

[HungryLion]

The current talking point from contrarians right now is that McCarthy road the coattails of Rodgers. Let's forget the fact that he revived Favre's dying career and gave him a second wind, and go straight to Rodgers. Rodgers was a first round talent that almost slipped to the second round due to some mechanics and attitude issues. Not only did McCarthy keep Rodgers ego in check for nearly a decade, he pretty much rebuilt Rodgers into the QB he is today. Check out Rodgers' rookie preseason highlights, this is not franchise level QB stuff and you can see why he slipped. Held the ball too high, slow release, even some bad footwork.

At the very least, what you'll get from McCarthy is that he'll get the best out of Dak Prescott. You can bet on this. However Prescott plays under McCarthy will be his ceiling. If you're a huge Dak fan, the #1 priority right now would be getting Prescott to become a franchise QB and we brought in the best coach on the market for this.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen you feeling quite so positive about a move the Cowboys have made.

That’s not a dig btw. I am also pretty excited about the McCarthy hire and believe it was a smart move by the Cowboys.

 

[alicetooljam]

Rodgers was like that in college as well. Rodgers will eventually place blame on his new HC if things go south as well.

Ego too big to admit his own faults.

Rodgers was pouting early on this season about the new coach...even though they started 7-1

 

[buybuydandavis]

The current talking point from contrarians right now is that McCarthy road the coattails of Rodgers. Let's forget the fact that he revived Favre's dying career and gave him a second wind, and go straight to Rodgers. Rodgers was a first round talent that almost slipped to the second round due to some mechanics and attitude issues. Not only did McCarthy keep Rodgers ego in check for nearly a decade, he pretty much rebuilt Rodgers into the QB he is today. Check out Rodgers' rookie preseason highlights, this is not franchise level QB stuff and you can see why he slipped. Held the ball too high, slow release, even some bad footwork.

At the very least, what you'll get from McCarthy is that he'll get the best out of Dak Prescott. You can bet on this. However Prescott plays under McCarthy will be his ceiling. If you're a huge Dak fan, the #1 priority right now would be getting Prescott to become a franchise QB and we brought in the best coach on the market for this.

+1
New take on the McCarthy hiring.

Taking Rodgers as a guide, maybe Dak gets more designed rollouts. I'd welcome it.

 

[Vandyr]

Rodgers was pouting early on this season about the new coach...even though they started 7-1

Because he's a colossal d-bag

 

[Risen Star]

Aaron Rodgers wouldn't have had a pro career without Mike McCarthy.

 

[stiletto]

I do think as far as media goes, Rodgers has gotten all the praise. I think he is amazing but McCarthy had to do "something". Rodgers went to Cal and I never heard of him before he got to the NFL. Just a guy lonely in the Green room. Think he is amazing but still. It takes a lot of people as a team to get the job done in the NFL....

 

[GMO415]

Dak will get better under MM

 

[charron]

If your suggesting Dak will be able to make good throws that aren't behind every receiver then i'm all for it.

 

[McKDaddy]

I never thought of the Packers as an ultra talented team overall. It seems their record outpaced the talent many seasons.

agreed. I don't know how good a coach MM is but my mindset is that he got more results than he should have which is encouraging. At least that is the hope. He is better than JG so that is a start.

 

[texbumthelife]

No no no, Rodgers got not positives from McCarthy. Literally everything good about their time together was Rodgers and everything bad was McCarthy. Haven't you need paying attention?!

 

[GoCowboysGo]

You still need talent at the QB position....

Also, Matt Flynn played pretty well under McCarthy. Rich Gannon was a backup for years, he gives credit to McCarthy for his development into a starting QB in the league. And Brett Hundley is still a backup QB in this league, it's not like he completely flopped.

And you can have a "hard time" believing anything - both Brett Favre and Rich Gannon have talked about McCarthy what they helped do

http://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/garber_greg/1474794.html

""Paul Hackett and Mike McCarthy, those two guys in particular really set my career on the path, on the right path, and really taught me how to break down film and analyze opponents and look for keys. That was really the starting point for me."

I’m very excited about this aspect of MM’s influence on the film room, teaching how to break down film, analyze opponents and look for keys!

Great take on this hire!

 

[LoneStar84]

The reason I don’t place too much importance on Rodgers comments about McCarthy is because from everything I’ve read about Rodgers, the guy just comes off as a huge, egotistical jerk. As others have mentioned, he doesn’t even have any contact with his own family. If it was somebody like Peyton Manning saying these types of things about McCarthy, then yeah I would take it seriously and be concerned. Rodgers is clearly one of those guys who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else around him...hence the comments about McCarthy having a low football IQ. The fact that McCarthy had as much success as he did with Rodgers over so many years is impressive. Everyone always talks about how good Rodgers is but you have to realize that a lot of those Green Bay teams weren’t all that talented outside of a few key players. I would certainly say that several of Garrett’s Cowboys teams were more talented overall. If you are in the NFL long enough, you are eventually going to have some rough seasons. And of course, once Green Bay went through some hard times is when you started hearing about this rift between McCarthy and Rodgers. I would not be surprised to see it happen again with Rodgers and Lefleur once they have a down year.

 

[Nav22]

The current talking point from contrarians right now is that McCarthy road the coattails of Rodgers. Let's forget the fact that he revived Favre's dying career and gave him a second wind, and go straight to Rodgers. Rodgers was a first round talent that almost slipped to the second round due to some mechanics and attitude issues. Not only did McCarthy keep Rodgers ego in check for nearly a decade, he pretty much rebuilt Rodgers into the QB he is today. Check out Rodgers' rookie preseason highlights, this is not franchise level QB stuff and you can see why he slipped. Held the ball too high, slow release, even some bad footwork.

At the very least, what you'll get from McCarthy is that he'll get the best out of Dak Prescott. You can bet on this. However Prescott plays under McCarthy will be his ceiling. If you're a huge Dak fan, the #1 priority right now would be getting Prescott to become a franchise QB and we brought in the best coach on the market for this.

I’m trying to be optimistic about McCarthy too. I still think it’s a terrible hire but I’ll be thrilled to say I was wrong.

But no, I can’t get behind McCarthy being the reason Rodgers became a monster.

Rodgers reportedly hated McCarthy’s system and says McCarthy has the lowest football IQ of any coach he’s ever had.

 

[foofighters]

If McCarthy is such a genius QB coach, how come Rodgers backup didn't excel when Rodgers was injured?

Also, I really have a hard time believing that a brand new NFL HC had the time to coach up his HOF starting QB and also coach up the backup. Usually it's the QB coach and OC that do that...

It would be awesome if McCarthy is as good as some wish but I think he's more likely to continue to underperform like he did during his last years with GB.

rarely do backups "excel" when they are thrown to the wolves. If that was the case, the QB position wouldn't be that important.

 

[silvernblu]

Dak needs some time to deprogram himself from Garrett’s psychobabble drivel.