Re watched Dallas VS Broncos SB 12

[Keithfansince5]

This came up in my recommendation list and decided to watch it. What I wanted to see is the defense. I paid attention to how many times Landry took out his star players in the game. *Hint* not one time did Landry sub out Randy White, or Harvey Martin. Let that sink in for a minute. They rotated Larry Cole out a few plays and too tall a few plays and played some other players. I still do not understand why Lawrence has to come out of the game? I will NEVER agree with removing so called star players during the game, so don't try and convince me. To me it is just the signs of the times of today. People do not work as hard as they once did including football players yet they all want to be paid more.

These guys played the entire game. And believe me they PLAYED. Meaning they kicked butt all game long.

For all of you young fans, I recommend that you watch this game as it will give you a bit of perspective as to what many of us on this board keep saying because we remember these days. We remember when our defense was DOMINANT. When the QB was constantly under pressure. When announcers would say "No team looks forward to this situation, 3rd down and long against Dallas"

When was the last time you saw a team replace their QB because he couldn't escape Dallas pass rush and put in a more mobile QB just to give them a better chance????

Anyway, it felt good to watch a Cowboy game like this again. 8 freaking take aways by this defense.

 

[gjkoeppen]

This came up in my recommendation list and decided to watch it. What I wanted to see is the defense. I paid attention to how many times Landry took out his star players in the game. *Hint* not one time did Landry sub out Randy White, or Harvey Martin. Let that sink in for a minute. They rotated Larry Cole out a few plays and too tall a few plays and played some other players. I still do not understand why Lawrence has to come out of the game? I will NEVER agree with removing so called star players during the game, so don't try and convince me. To me it is just the signs of the times of today. People do not work as hard as they once did including football players yet they all want to be paid more.

These guys played the entire game. And believe me they PLAYED. Meaning they kicked butt all game long.

For all of you young fans, I recommend that you watch this game as it will give you a bit of perspective as to what many of us on this board keep saying because we remember these days. We remember when our defense was DOMINANT. When the QB was constantly under pressure. When announcers would say "No team looks forward to this situation, 3rd down and long against Dallas"

When was the last time you saw a team replace their QB because he couldn't escape Dallas pass rush and put in a more mobile QB just to give them a better chance????

Anyway, it felt good to watch a Cowboy game like this again. 8 freaking take aways by this defense.

Where as there is some truth in what you said the game itself was a lot different then. The defense didn't have their hands tied like they do now. They could do bump and run on the receivers all the way until the ball was in the air and not just for the 1st 5 yards like today. and a receiver could get blasted if he caught a ball over the middle that can't be done now. The defensive linemen could use the head slap that they can't do now and lastly teams weren't the pass happy teams they are today.

Now I do believe players back then were in better shape than players today and it is the players of today to blame. It goes back to training camp and back then the vast majority of days there were 2 a days and the coach decided how long practices were and today because of the CBA there are NO 2 a days and the length of practices are determined by that CBA. Also back then there was contact EVERY day in training camp and practices during the season, today they can have contact twice a week during training camp and once a week in practices during the season.
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[Ranching]

This came up in my recommendation list and decided to watch it. What I wanted to see is the defense. I paid attention to how many times Landry took out his star players in the game. *Hint* not one time did Landry sub out Randy White, or Harvey Martin. Let that sink in for a minute. They rotated Larry Cole out a few plays and too tall a few plays and played some other players. I still do not understand why Lawrence has to come out of the game? I will NEVER agree with removing so called star players during the game, so don't try and convince me. To me it is just the signs of the times of today. People do not work as hard as they once did including football players yet they all want to be paid more.

These guys played the entire game. And believe me they PLAYED. Meaning they kicked butt all game long.

For all of you young fans, I recommend that you watch this game as it will give you a bit of perspective as to what many of us on this board keep saying because we remember these days. We remember when our defense was DOMINANT. When the QB was constantly under pressure. When announcers would say "No team looks forward to this situation, 3rd down and long against Dallas"

When was the last time you saw a team replace their QB because he couldn't escape Dallas pass rush and put in a more mobile QB just to give them a better chance????

Anyway, it felt good to watch a Cowboy game like this again. 8 freaking take aways by this defense.

The game has changed, faster paced, bigger, faster, stronger......more plays being run....blah, blah, blah.....
I still miss those days! Thanks for the memories.

 

[ondaedg]

The DLinemen of today are carring 20-70 lbs more weight than they did in the 70s and 80s. And the OLinemen are 50-80 lbs bigger. The physicality of today's game is much higher than it was so these guys are taking bigger hits and getting gassed.

Much more focus on strength training than cardio is another factor.

 

[ClappingCarrot]

That's the biggest difference between Landry and Jimmy's teams and Garrett's teams - they did NOT get freaking tired out there. And when the other team got gassed, that's when they started forcing them to make mistakes.

"Fatigue makes cowards of us all." - Jimmy Johnson

 

[leeblair]

This came up in my recommendation list and decided to watch it. What I wanted to see is the defense. I paid attention to how many times Landry took out his star players in the game. *Hint* not one time did Landry sub out Randy White, or Harvey Martin. Let that sink in for a minute. They rotated Larry Cole out a few plays and too tall a few plays and played some other players. I still do not understand why Lawrence has to come out of the game? I will NEVER agree with removing so called star players during the game, so don't try and convince me. To me it is just the signs of the times of today. People do not work as hard as they once did including football players yet they all want to be paid more.

These guys played the entire game. And believe me they PLAYED. Meaning they kicked butt all game long.

For all of you young fans, I recommend that you watch this game as it will give you a bit of perspective as to what many of us on this board keep saying because we remember these days. We remember when our defense was DOMINANT. When the QB was constantly under pressure. When announcers would say "No team looks forward to this situation, 3rd down and long against Dallas"

When was the last time you saw a team replace their QB because he couldn't escape Dallas pass rush and put in a more mobile QB just to give them a better chance????

Anyway, it felt good to watch a Cowboy game like this again. 8 freaking take aways by this defense.

The one thing that stands out to me about that game -and I stayed home from church that night to watch it, which was bad- was how sloppy the offense under Landry could be.
Landry was a defensive specialist, but he was forced to spend most of his time with the offense because he wanted them to excel.
He was never afraid to let the offense loose, and the Cowboys of that generation excelled in big plays.
But often they made mistakes that hurt them. You never had to fret, though.
First Roger, and then Danny White, were always able to keep them in the game.
But whether it was Staubach, White, Carano, Hogeboom, Longley or Pelleur, Landry never shortened the playbook.
They were always wide open.

 

[mahoneybill]

This came up in my recommendation list and decided to watch it. What I wanted to see is the defense. I paid attention to how many times Landry took out his star players in the game. *Hint* not one time did Landry sub out Randy White, or Harvey Martin. Let that sink in for a minute. They rotated Larry Cole out a few plays and too tall a few plays and played some other players. I still do not understand why Lawrence has to come out of the game? I will NEVER agree with removing so called star players during the game, so don't try and convince me. To me it is just the signs of the times of today. People do not work as hard as they once did including football players yet they all want to be paid more.

These guys played the entire game. And believe me they PLAYED. Meaning they kicked butt all game long.

For all of you young fans, I recommend that you watch this game as it will give you a bit of perspective as to what many of us on this board keep saying because we remember these days. We remember when our defense was DOMINANT. When the QB was constantly under pressure. When announcers would say "No team looks forward to this situation, 3rd down and long against Dallas"

When was the last time you saw a team replace their QB because he couldn't escape Dallas pass rush and put in a more mobile QB just to give them a better chance????

Anyway, it felt good to watch a Cowboy game like this again. 8 freaking take aways by this defense.

So true. Used to be 3rd and 8 was a 3 and out. Now 3rd and 20 is converted with some regularity due to the keep your man in front of you , don't look for ball Marinelli defense.

For us old timers we remember the term " Martinized" . coined from Harvey Martin routinely getting a sack in those situations. Martinezed was a phrase also used by a dry cleaning company, and caught on as a phrase with the Cowboys fans..

 

[mahoneybill]

Where as there is some truth in what you said the game itself was a lot different then. The defense didn't have their hands tied like they do now. They could do bump and run on the receivers all the way until the ball was in the air and not just for the 1st 5 yards like today. and a receiver could get blasted if he caught a ball over the middle that can't be done now. The defensive linemen could use the head slap that they can't do now and lastly teams weren't the pass happy teams they are today.

Now I do believe players back then were in better shape than players today and it is the players of today to blame. It goes back to training camp and back then the vast majority of days there were 2 a days and the coach decided how long practices were and today because of the CBA there are NO 2 a days and the length of practices are determined by that CBA. Also back then there was contact EVERY day in training camp and practices during the season, today they can have contact twice a week during training camp and once a week in practices during the season.
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All good points as to how the game has changed .....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The DLinemen of today are carring 20-70 lbs more weight than they did in the 70s and 80s. And the OLinemen are 50-80 lbs bigger. The physicality of today's game is much higher than it was so these guys are taking bigger hits and getting gassed.

Much more focus on strength training than cardio is another factor.

I don't agree with this at all. Yes, the players are bigger but the game is not more physical today then it was then. I think it's the other way around.

JMO

 

[ondaedg]

I don't agree with this at all. Yes, the players are bigger but the game is not more physical today then it was then. I think it's the other way around.

JMO

Physics says that's not possible.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Physics says that's not possible.

Really? Explain....

 

[MarcusRock]

Uh oh. "Yore of yesteryear" alert when everything was better, of course.

 

[cowboyec]

my favorite team of all-time.

 

[ondaedg]

Really? Explain....

Power = mass x velocity. More mass and more velocity equals more power.

And then there's Kinetic Energy which is the amount of energy a moving object (aka football player) has when it collides with another object (aka another football player). Today's players are much bigger and faster which means every impact is greater.
KE is equal to .5mv squared. Do the math of mass and velocity for the players of the 80s vs today and you've got your answer. There is no way the players of the 80s who were smaller and slower took as much of a beating as they do today even with the rules changes.

https://www.onlinemathlearning.com/kinetic-energy-examples.html

 

[dreghorn2]

My good buddy at the time was Bronco fan.

We were at a huge Super Bowl party and he was living the life, it seemed only moments later (it was the 2nd half) and Norris Weese was in at QB, (lol) after Mortons 4th or 5th interception.

I believe he still has emotional scars from that game.

Can you imagine, the co-MVPs were defensive lineman!!

That was a great day.

 

[Creeper]

I miss Brookshire and Summerall. Summerall had the best comment in Super Bowl history, "There is also a game!", mocking all the camera shots of the cheerleaders.

This was really a poorly played game - penalties and turnovers. One big change in the game is replay. I saw several plays that would have been reversed today.That Butch Johnson catch for a TD was no catch today.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Power = mass x velocity. More mass and more velocity equals more power.

And then there's Kinetic Energy which is the amount of energy a moving object (aka football player) has when it collides with another object (aka another football player). Today's players are much bigger and faster which means every impact is greater.
KE is equal to .5mv squared. Do the math of mass and velocity for the players of the 80s vs today and you've got your answer. There is no way the players of the 80s who were smaller and slower took as much of a beating as they do today even with the rules changes.

https://www.onlinemathlearning.com/kinetic-energy-examples.html

I am aware of the linear momentum equation or p=mv. But this assumes no variation. That's clearly not the case here. What is physical play? You deem it as an equation but I don't. I explain it as a style of play or perhaps, the state of the game. As example, is it more physical if you have a bigger faster player running down hill for a kill shot but pulling up at the last minute because they can't deliver a blow in the wrong way as it is a penalty, rarely wrapping up, often whiffing? Or, is it more physical when you have all 7 guys playing in the box with a strong safety playing the run almost all the time? In that style of game, players aren't pulling up at the last minute. They are unloading on you because they aren't worried about targeting. They are wrapping up and you see multiple players converging on the ball more often because it's not a game of spacing as much, as you see today. So is it really more physical today then it was in the past? I don't believe so.

 

[nightrain]

Butchies TD catch incomplete today.

 

[DallasDomination]

Those were Men.. the guys we have are glorified babies that need nap time and need to be told how great they are on a daily basis.

look at Zeke.. every other run the dude is calling in Pollard for rest.

 

[ondaedg]

I am aware of the linear momentum equation or p=mv. But this assumes no variation. That's clearly not the case here. What is physical play? You deem it as an equation but I don't. I explain it as a style of play or perhaps, the state of the game. As example, is it more physical if you have a bigger faster player running down hill for a kill shot but pulling up at the last minute because they can't deliver a blow in the wrong way as it is a penalty, rarely wrapping up, often whiffing? Or, is it more physical when you have all 7 guys playing in the box with a strong safety playing the run almost all the time? In that style of game, players aren't pulling up at the last minute. They are unloading on you because they aren't worried about targeting. They are wrapping up and you see multiple players converging on the ball more often because it's not a game of spacing as much, as you see today. So is it really more physical today then it was in the past? I don't believe so.

In between the tackles noone is "taking it easy". The new rules are meant to clean up the dirty play and not the physical aspect of it. As much as I loved to watch Randy White play he wouldn't stand a chance against Larry Allen or Tyron Smith.

Running backs used to last 8-12 years. Now they last 4-6. There's good reason for it.