In the interest of balance, how low is rock-bottom or worst-case for McCarthy era?

[_sturt_]

And what's your reasoning for thinking that?

(All things being equal, and so, assuming no disasterous phenomenons like Dak or Zeke being seriously injured or anything like that.)

a) Worse than Lovie Smith-like results

b) Lovie Smith-like results (rarely in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

c) Ron Rivera-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

d) Jason Garrett-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

e) Mike Tomlin-like results (routinely in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

f) Pete Carroll-like results (routinely in the playoffs, routinely considered a legit threat for SB)

g) Bill Belichick-like results (a constant legit threat for SB)

 

[zrinkill]

What a depressing arse thread

 

[blueblood70]

how can you put the more successful choices at rock bottom?

heres rock bottom

his fort 3 seasons 9-7 wc first round loss , 10-6 2nd season 2nd round loss, third season 8-8 missed playoffs..i mean thats what JG last 3 were and that got him fired so it has to be rock bottom for MM..

that will be his end and hello Kellen Moore LOL

 

[_sturt_]

What a depressing arse thread

Yeah, I know.

Just one of those people who like to try to think about both sides of the ledger.

Doesn't surprise me that no one wants to go there. But objectively, it's as interesting a question as "how good do you think this might turn out to be."

 

[beware_d-ware]

The worst case is the same for any coach: a 1-15 type of blow-it-up season like what the Bengals just had.

The most likely scenario IMO is that McCarthy, who is a lot more of a play-not-to-lose coach than people think, continues the Garrett trend of choking away big games for 2 or 3 seasons until our current core of certified studs (Tyron, Martin, Law, Zeke, etc), ages out. If we draft well and replace them, we could keep the roll going, if not, it's going to be a rebuild with a new coach at the helm.

Dak is a legit franchise QB IMO, which should keep us from falling all the way into the Dolphins/Bengals/Browns type NFL pit, but we're not going to win big with McCarthy at the helm.

 

[MojaveJT]

Worst case scenario is missing playoffs every year during his tenure which is obvious for any coach.

But I think MM’s floor is a Garrettesque tenure. Overall average and making playoffs every other year. I honestly think MM can take us to the playoffs almost every year. Ceiling is SB, of course.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

What a depressing arse thread

Yeah I know lol....I mean damn lol.......

 

[garyo1954]

Rock bottom is 0-16.
Ain't nobody got time for that!

 

[_sturt_]

And Everest is '72 Dolphins-like perfect seasons... plural. And that ain't happening either.

Really.

What's the worst you suspect this era could possibly turn out to be like.

It helps put it in context to choose one of the options given, right? Lovie Smith through Belichick.

And then an explanation for your thinking is helpful.

 

[_sturt_]

I think MM’s floor is a Garrettesque tenure. Overall average and making playoffs every other year.

Thanks for that.

And why JG-like???

 

[CowboyRoy]

And what's your reasoning for thinking that?

(All things being equal, and so, assuming no disasterous phenomenons like Dak or Zeke being seriously injured or anything like that.)

a) Worse than Lovie Smith-like results

b) Lovie Smith-like results (rarely in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

c) Ron Rivera-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

d) Jason Garrett-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

e) Mike Tomlin-like results (routinely in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

f) Pete Carroll-like results (routinely in the playoffs, routinely considered a legit threat for SB)

g) Bill Belichick-like results (a constant legit threat for SB)

What Garrett did is rock bottom.

 

[75boyz]

And what's your reasoning for thinking that?

(All things being equal, and so, assuming no disasterous phenomenons like Dak or Zeke being seriously injured or anything like that.)

a) Worse than Lovie Smith-like results

b) Lovie Smith-like results (rarely in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

c) Ron Rivera-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

d) Jason Garrett-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

e) Mike Tomlin-like results (routinely in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

f) Pete Carroll-like results (routinely in the playoffs, routinely considered a legit threat for SB)

g) Bill Belichick-like results (a constant legit threat for SB)

Current QB signs record setting current market 5 yr deal

As early as training camp current coach notes said QB's inability to master new coach's offense.

Season ends at 6-10 and people are like everything improved across the board except the new coach "just" needs a "different" QB to run his system

And it's pretty obvious for all to see...

So the spin narrative in one year did a complete scapegoat one eighty with all the blame at current Qbs feet and nothing to show for it but a gaudy un deserved contract.

Then, the real drama will begin.

 

[_sturt_]

What Garrett did is rock bottom.

(I don't agree, but I'm willing to hear you out.)

 

[Silly]

Rock bottom is 0-16.
Ain't nobody got time for that!

Rod Marinelli was the laughingstock of the NFL four years ago. He etched his name into the record books as coach of the 2008 Detroit Lions -- the only team in NFL history to finish 0-16.

Rod got hired to be the DC in Dallas. Rock bottom is nothing in Jerry's world.

 

[MojaveJT]

Thanks for that.

And why JG-like???

Because I think MM is a much better coach than JG. I don’t think he’ll be mediocre here like JG. Anything worse than JG’s career here is a massive failure IMO.

 

[_sturt_]

Okay, I'll weigh-in to my own question.

Given that this was said only a year ago about McC...

Great news, fans of beleaguered and befuddled NFL franchises! There's a hot new coaching candidate on the scene with a resume to drool over: a Super Bowl ring, a 125-77-2 career record, nine playoff appearances, a 15-1 season and experience developing a future Hall of Fame quarterback.

You probably guessed the bad news: His name is Mike McCarthy, and most football fans currently hate him.

The Packers didn't merely fire McCarthy on Sunday. They unceremoniously dumped him after the game like a security guard caught sleeping at his post.

Players have tuned McCarthy out all season (see: former Packers rogue kick returner turned Ravens option tailback Ty Montgomery). Aaron Rodgers spoke of McCarthy's game plans like they were used to line the rim of a toilet seat, and he has played like he was shrugging them off and doing his own thing for years.

McCarthy's Packers are 11-18-1 over the last two seasons and haven't beaten a truly good team since Rodgers engineered a 20-point comeback on a bad leg against the Bears in the season opener.........

(see entire B/R blogger essay under the Andy Reid comparison post)

I'm going to go with...

c) Ron Rivera-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

 

[Runwildboys]

And what's your reasoning for thinking that?

(All things being equal, and so, assuming no disasterous phenomenons like Dak or Zeke being seriously injured or anything like that.)

a) Worse than Lovie Smith-like results

b) Lovie Smith-like results (rarely in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

c) Ron Rivera-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

d) Jason Garrett-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

e) Mike Tomlin-like results (routinely in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

f) Pete Carroll-like results (routinely in the playoffs, routinely considered a legit threat for SB)

g) Bill Belichick-like results (a constant legit threat for SB)

Assuming he's better than Garrett during games and preparing for games (i.e, practicing in expected conditions), and assuming the talent level remains comparable, I'd go with 'e'.

Edit: Sorry, I guess I misunderstood the object of the thread. I thought it was "What do we expect from MM?"

The worst I expect is Garrett like results. If they let JG go for that type of lack of performance, I don't expect they'd hang on to Mike for more than a couple of years, with the same results.

 

[_sturt_]

I'd go with 'e'.

Really? That's your rock-bottom?

Because, that would be my idea of what we should expect will be the reality.

Why do you say that?

 

[Runwildboys]

Really? That's your rock-bottom?

Because, that would be my idea of what we should expect will be the reality.

Why do you say that?

You got there before I edited.....See edit. lol

 

[willia451]

Given that this was said only a year ago about McC...

If you look at what MM accomplished in GB and what MT has accomplished in Pittsburgh, they are eerily similar. Right down to longevity, playoff appearances and wins, etc.

Yet MM was booted and MT is still being saluted.

Why?

Because. AR. We'll see how that works out for GB over the coming days or weeks.