Spitballing an Idea on Dak Contract and Negotiations

[ItzKelz]

Word is that JJ and SJ have asked Dak to take a home town discount....which means that they understand that they are offering him less than what they even feel he deserves. Dak says that a discount is not going to happen. IMO seeing that Dak was willing to play an entire season without a contract should be an indicator to the front office that paying him sooner than later benefits the team.

Worse case for Dak is that he takes 33 mil on the tag and then takes another tag next year of 36-37 mil next year....then signs a 5 year contract of around 40 mil a season. I say pay Dak 35 mil a season now for 5 years. There is no back up plan.

 

[doomsday9084]

Letting him be a free agent would take massive balls but would likely pay off. When you add in the endorsement money that exists because he is Cowboys QB, he would be leaving a lot of money on the table. There really aren't that many teams looking for a QB and the list that would offer Dak $35m or more AAV is ridiculously short.

I still think the prudent thing is to give him the non exclusive tag and sign a quality back up. If the Dak supporters are right, Dak will blow that guy away and the team will be good. Dak will get his massive payday next year. If Dak haters are right then Dak will struggle to separate himself from a quality QB and Dallas will just let him walk at the end of the year.

IMHO, its win win for the Cowboys.

 

[FanSince71]

This correct and the only franchise tag this applies to is the non-exclusive franchise tag. The exclusive franchise tag no other team can negotiate with the player.
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Thanks for clarifying the difference between the 2 franchise tags.

 

[DallasEast]

1. The Cowboys are going to pay Dak. The only question is what is the market value and can they can get Dak at that value.

Economic market value (which fewer people consider) or financial market value (which most people consider)? My money's on economic market value knowing Jerry Jones like I think I do.

 

[Ranched]

Yet another Dak $ thread.

 

[America's Cowboy]

My question is if @PAPPYDOG will honor his word and disappear for a whole year once Dak signs that big longterm contract?

 

[Kevinicus]

The QB market is going to explode this offseason with Mahommes signing a monster contract. Signing Dak before those numbers come out would be smart. Then again, they should have signed Dak last offseason so who knows what will happen.

Why? Take what Mahomes gets, subtract 15 million per, there's your cap.

 

[visionary]

It’s not complicated

Franchise tag him but give the agent permission to get a deal with another team

then you hold the cards and it will help Dak come to his senses because no one is paying him more than 30 mill/y

 

[FLCowboyFan]

I like the idea of truly seeing his "market value" but I don't see the Cowboys letting that happen. Jerry will cave (again), eventually.

You are more likely going to end up with bad feelings if they don't. I don't know why we keep pushing things to the point that they hurt the season and then cave anyway. Look at last year with Zeke. Tell me that didn't hurt the team this year.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

My question is if @PAPPYDOG will honor his word and disappear for a whole year once Dak signs that big longterm contract?

Your problems won't be if I disappear for a year it's that if Dak gets what you and your fellow Dak employees(Mega-deal) want then our offense and Team will have once again DISAPPEARED!

P.S. Just keep enjoying Field goals and 3 and outs and HF bud....

 

[America's Cowboy]

Your problems won't be if I disappear for a year it's that if Dak gets what you and your fellow Dak employees(Mega-deal) want then our offense and Team will have once again DISAPPEARED!

P.S. Just keep enjoying Field goals and 3 and outs and HF bud....

 

[Cowboys22]

So, as the media reports come out that the Cowboys and Dak are heading for the franchise tag, and talks that the Cowboys and Dak have reached an impasse on the size of Dak's deal, and with news that Dak may (or may not) hold out if he is tagged...

I am starting to believe these are the facts:

1. The Cowboys are going to pay Dak. The only question is what is the market value and can they can get Dak at that value.

2. Trying to negotiate with Dak now is starting to get pointless. They are negotiating against themselves and what Dak's agents believe Dak to be worth.

3. Dak, despite what he has said, is seeking max value and is offering the Cowboys no discounts.

4. Dallas has the cap space to sign Dak to whatever deal is reasonable.

Therefore, while risky, I think I let Dak become a free agent and just bid on him on the open market. Yes, there's a risk Dak will leave for another franchise but only if that team pays more than Dak. So, what is Dak worth on the open market? 35, 40? Who knows, but let's find out and pay him that if the Cowboys find it reasonable. It doesn't appear that these other methods are getting us any discounts.

No, you can’t do that without tagging him. No way in hell you can risk losing him and not getting at least a 1st for him. The best strategy I see is to tag him but let him negotiate with other teams. I don’t think other teams are going to be willing to pay him anywhere close to what he is asking. That will bring his demands down some. In the meantime, I think they should go sign a legitimate veteran QB with starting experience to alleviate the impression that Dak has all the leverage. If they eventually get Dak signed, then they will finally have a legit backup. I also would not be opposed to drafting a QB in rounds 2 or 3 to further cushion the possibility of losing Dak. I just wouldn’t play this game with him. He is good but is not a top 5 QB and has no skins on the wall. He doesn’t deserve what he is asking and I would play hardball. When he gets no offers from other teams, he will be forced to take what he can get from Dallas. If, in the end, they lose lose him, so be it. Take the picks and the cap space and put them to use building a better overall team. If there is one thing I think everyone would agree on, it’s that Dak is replaceable. It might take a little time, but I think McCarthy could find and do well with another QB in short order.

 

[HungryLion]

I am not opposed to moving on from Dak or finding ways to truly test his value on an open market.

That being said. You DO NOT let a top 10 QB walk and receive no compensation. That would be a horrible idea.

If they want to tag him and then field trade offers for him. That would be fine.

 

[Cowboys22]

Word is that JJ and SJ have asked Dak to take a home town discount....which means that they understand that they are offering him less than what they even feel he deserves. Dak says that a discount is not going to happen. IMO seeing that Dak was willing to play an entire season without a contract should be an indicator to the front office that paying him sooner than later benefits the team.

Worse case for Dak is that he takes 33 mil on the tag and then takes another tag next year of 36-37 mil next year....then signs a 5 year contract of around 40 mil a season. I say pay Dak 35 mil a season now for 5 years. There is no back up plan.

There certainly is a backup plan. Find another QB and save all that cap space to use building a better overall team. Dak is certainly not irreplaceable.

 

[ItzKelz]

There certainly is a backup plan. Find another QB and save all that cap space to use building a better overall team. Dak is certainly not irreplaceable.

Find another QB where? Do they go on trees? Are they easy to find?

 

[Silverz1972]

that is how you get the leverage back. Non franchise tag. If no team comes after him at 27 million, how can his agent argue he is worth 35 million.

So, as the media reports come out that the Cowboys and Dak are heading for the franchise tag, and talks that the Cowboys and Dak have reached an impasse on the size of Dak's deal, and with news that Dak may (or may not) hold out if he is tagged...

I am starting to believe these are the facts:

1. The Cowboys are going to pay Dak. The only question is what is the market value and can they can get Dak at that value.

2. Trying to negotiate with Dak now is starting to get pointless. They are negotiating against themselves and what Dak's agents believe Dak to be worth.

3. Dak, despite what he has said, is seeking max value and is offering the Cowboys no discounts.

4. Dallas has the cap space to sign Dak to whatever deal is reasonable.

Therefore, while risky, I think I let Dak become a free agent and just bid on him on the open market. Yes, there's a risk Dak will leave for another franchise but only if that team pays more than Dak. So, what is Dak worth on the open market? 35, 40? Who knows, but let's find out and pay him that if the Cowboys find it reasonable. It doesn't appear that these other methods are getting us any discounts.

 

[HungryLion]

Find another QB where? Do they go on trees? Are they easy to find?

There are some who believe it is easy to draft a top 10 QB.

 

[Flamma]

So, as the media reports come out that the Cowboys and Dak are heading for the franchise tag, and talks that the Cowboys and Dak have reached an impasse on the size of Dak's deal, and with news that Dak may (or may not) hold out if he is tagged...

I am starting to believe these are the facts:

1. The Cowboys are going to pay Dak. The only question is what is the market value and can they can get Dak at that value.

2. Trying to negotiate with Dak now is starting to get pointless. They are negotiating against themselves and what Dak's agents believe Dak to be worth.

3. Dak, despite what he has said, is seeking max value and is offering the Cowboys no discounts.

4. Dallas has the cap space to sign Dak to whatever deal is reasonable.

Therefore, while risky, I think I let Dak become a free agent and just bid on him on the open market. Yes, there's a risk Dak will leave for another franchise but only if that team pays more than Dak. So, what is Dak worth on the open market? 35, 40? Who knows, but let's find out and pay him that if the Cowboys find it reasonable. It doesn't appear that these other methods are getting us any discounts.

You would simply put the transition tag on him. It's exactly what you're describing with the option to match. No compensation if they don't match. But you would definitely know Daks value. If they already plan to sign him to a huge deal, what do they have to lose? What team right now is going to offer Dak something Dallas isn't willing to pay?

 

[Flamma]

There are some who believe it is easy to draft a top 10 QB.

They're not easy to find. But for the money these QBs are asking for today it leaves the option open to just start over again. The alternative is to pay elite money to a QB that is not elite.

 

[HungryLion]

They're not easy to find. But for the money these QBs are asking for today it leaves the option open to just start over again. The alternative is to pay elite money to a QB that is not elite.

Or to draft a crappy QB and have a team that sucks for several years in a row.

there’s a reason teams pay QB’s what they do. The reason is, that having a poor QB is almost a death sentence for your team for multiple seasons. Unless the rest of the team is astronomically good.