News: Canfora: Cowboys top 5 worst off season plan

Jumbo075 · Mar 24, 2020

Sydla said:
He tends to be fairly anti-Cowboys.

While he's over the top in his grade of the Cowboys, he's not far from the truth. We have lost more than we have gained and the Cowboys had the cap space to be better than they have been, that's for sure.

There's no reason we shouldn't have Griffen or Golden under contract along with Poe and then get ready for the draft. But like we typically do, Jerry and company overvalue what they have on the roster and think their drafting is so great, any hole will be filled in one draft.

Offseason is not over. If Gregory and Irving return to the Dline, that is an upgrade. Resigning Anthony Brown is a bigger win than most people realize. He was the fastest player on the defense before getting injured a year ago, and getting him back is going to drastically affect the defense. If LVE and Smith return to 2018 form in 2020, then that will be a significant improvement also. Clinton-Dix is a mild upgrade over Heath. The Cowboys are betting on youth also.

Finally, a huge issue in the win/loss column last year was not so much the defense as it was the Special Teams. The offense consistently started in the hole in regards to field position. Finding stellar Special Teams players is more important than most people realize.

cowboyec · Mar 24, 2020

we replaced Collins with McCoy...a 6x pro-bowler.
any other team...its an up-grade.
he makes it like Maliek is a future hall of famer.

we replaced Heath with Clinton-Dix...a pro bowler who has had...to this point...a better career.
any other team...its an up-grade.
he makes it sound like Heath is comparable to Cliff Harris.

the only ones we've not addressed...yet...is Jones and Quinn.

when all those guys were here....all we heard is how our defense under achieved.
now.....these same players who under performed....are irreplaceable?

some of this is just stupid.

Batman1980 · Mar 24, 2020

The losses of Quinn and Fredbeard hurt more than any others. Jones was quite over-rated here for years and I think his loss will hurt less than we think. Expecting a compensatory 3rd or 4th round pick for losing him, hopefully we turn it into an actual All-Pro starter instead of a JAG.

OmerV · Mar 24, 2020

A week into free agency and the sky is falling … :facepalm:

Batman1980 · Mar 24, 2020

OmerV said:
A week into free agency and the sky is falling …

I don't know, the loss of Fredbeard is huge, could cost us big this year. Gotta hope Looney or McGovern or a draft pick step up.

Sydla · Mar 24, 2020

Rockport said:
See I told you.

It's common sense. We lost more than we added to date. You don't have to be a hater or negative or anything to see that. You just have to have some common sense, a little bit of logic and the ability to read.

I suspect you lack all three of those things.

Note, he doesn't say it's doomsday. He accurately says that we will have to nail the draft to fill some of our holes (unless we add more FAs). Again, it doesn't take a lot of brain power to see that's a pretty accurate statement.

OmerV · Mar 24, 2020

Batman1980 said:
I don't know, the loss of Fredbeard is huge, could cost us big this year. Gotta hope Looney or McGovern or a draft pick step up.

Yes, it is, but I don't know if that could have been foreseen by the team anyway, plus we don't yet know how things will play out with a replacement, or how things will play out with the overall team talent.

Or, for that matter, how youngsters will step up. Offseason threads like this tend to portray things as if every free agent that leaves has to be replaced by a proven player, but every team has to rely to some degree on youngsters stepping up. Obviously we cannot know about McGovern yet, but he might help ease the pain of Frederick leaving. And let's not forget we made the playoffs without Frederick in 2018, so while his loss is significant, it probably isn't insurmountable.

KingintheNorth · Mar 24, 2020

OmerV said:
A week into free agency and the sky is falling …

25 years without a conference championship game appearance and people still have their heads in the sand.... :facepalm:

Sydla · Mar 24, 2020

OmerV said:
A week into free agency and the sky is falling …

Who said that? Hate the article all you want but it's more true than thinking everything is great.

We lost more talent than we have gained when he wrote that article. I dare anyone to suggest otherwise. He notes that we can add talent through the draft, but we'd probably have to kill the draft if we don't add any more real talent in FA.

It's surprising that people I consider intelligent fans are denying this.

slick325 · Mar 24, 2020

Sounds about right if one is looking at things objectively.

KJJ · Mar 24, 2020

OmerV said:
A week into free agency and the sky is falling …

When is the sky not falling on this board? The sky is falling is the norm. The last 25 years has taken its toll on the fan base.

Common Sense · Mar 24, 2020

cowboyec said:
we replaced Collins with McCoy...a 6x pro-bowler.
any other team...its an up-grade.
he makes it like Maliek is a future hall of famer.

we replaced Heath with Clinton-Dix...a pro bowler who has had...to this point...a better career.
any other team...its an up-grade.
he makes it sound like Heath is comparable to Cliff Harris.

the only ones we've not addressed...yet...is Jones and Quinn.

when all those guys were here....all we heard is how our defense under achieved.
now.....these same players who under performed....are irreplaceable?

some of this is just stupid.

- 32 year old McCoy is not the same McCoy who made Pro Bowls in his 20s. He may be a slight upgrade over Collins, but honestly they look pretty similar.
- Clinton-Dix is an obvious upgrade over Heath.
- Awuzie is an obvious downgrade from Jones. You can follow this train of thought all the way down to whatever camp body is currently pencilled in at #4.
- Noah Brown or whoever is an obvious downgrade from Cobb.
- Dalton Schultz is a downgrade from Jarwin as #2 TE. Who else is even on the roster after him?
- Looney is a downgrade from Frederick.
- Crawford is an obvious downgrade from Quinn.

This team did not get better in the offseason, and there aren't enough draft picks to fill all those holes.

Stash · Mar 24, 2020

Sydla said:
It's common sense. We lost more than we added to date. You don't have to be a hater or negative or anything to see that. You just have to have some common sense, a little bit of logic and the ability to read.

I suspect you lack all three of those things.

Note, he doesn't say it's doomsday. He accurately says that we will have to nail the draft to fill some of our holes (unless we add more FAs). Again, it doesn't take a lot of brain power to see that's a pretty accurate statement.

But when you're talking to someone clearly lacking that aforementioned "brain power", this is the type of reaction that you can expect.

The simple mind only sees things in two directions, no layers or context.

Stash · Mar 24, 2020

slick325 said:
Sounds about right if one is looking at things objectively.

A rare things when it comes to fans.

OmerV · Mar 24, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
25 years without a conference championship game appearance and people still have their heads in the sand....

That wasn't the point. I didn't suggest we were going to the conference championship, I suggested --that the roster as it stands today is not the roster as it will be when free agency and the draft are done. If you want to decide the team is going to be worse than last year's simply because we haven't accumulated all our personnel week into free agency, that's on you, but that's not reality - not for any team. Every team will still be building there roster the next few months.

Sydla · Mar 24, 2020

Jumbo075 said:
Offseason is not over. If Gregory and Irving return to the Dline, that is an upgrade. Resigning Anthony Brown is a bigger win than most people realize. He was the fastest player on the defense before getting injured a year ago, and getting him back is going to drastically affect the defense. If LVE and Smith return to 2018 form in 2020, then that will be a significant improvement also. Clinton-Dix is a mild upgrade over Heath. The Cowboys are betting on youth also.

Finally, a huge issue in the win/loss column last year was not so much the defense as it was the Special Teams. The offense consistently started in the hole in regards to field position. Finding stellar Special Teams players is more important than most people realize.

He's writing about offseasons up to date.

To date, we've lost more than we've gained.

PS - Where is Irving coming back? That seems like more internet rumor from fans than reality.

cowboyec · Mar 24, 2020

Common Sense said:
- 32 year old McCoy is not the same McCoy who made Pro Bowls in his 20s. He may be a slight upgrade over Collins, but honestly they look pretty similar.
- Clinton-Dix is an obvious upgrade over Heath.
- Awuzie is an obvious downgrade from Jones. You can follow this train of thought all the way down to whatever camp body is currently pencilled in at #4.
- Noah Brown or whoever is an obvious downgrade from Cobb.
- Dalton Schultz is a downgrade from Jarwin as #2 TE. Who else is even on the roster after him?
- Looney is a downgrade from Frederick.
- Crawford is an obvious downgrade from Quinn.

This team did not get better in the offseason, and there aren't enough draft picks to fill all those holes.

this off season is not over.
we have no idea who the replacement is for Jones or Quinn...or how the WRs on this roster will or will not perform under McCarthy...considering they dont sign ANY f/a receivers or draft any.
for all we know...Joe Jackson has a breakout year.
IF they sign Dontari Poe.....the combo of McCoy/Poe is an immediate up-grade over Collins/Woods.
if they are prepared to not address CB and roll with Awuzie....he needs to get back to his level of play in '18...but i don't think they're done.
we have no idea in march what this team is.

Sydla · Mar 24, 2020

OmerV said:
That wasn't the point. I didn't suggest we were going to the conference championship, I suggested --that the roster as it stands today is not the roster as it will be when free agency and the draft are done. If you want to decide the team is going to be worse than last year's simply because we haven't accumulated all our personnel week into free agency, that's on you, but that's not reality - not for any team. Every team will still be building there roster the next few months.

No but he was writing an article about underwhelming offseasons TO DATE. And to date, I don't think anyone can credibly argue we are better TODAY than we were at the start of FA.

Beaker42 · Mar 24, 2020

SeanLee50 said:
I'm not as down on them as most here are. Big losses : Byron Jones (Solid CB, No ball skills), Robert Quinn (Great pass rusher, terrible run defender), Travis Frederick (Legend. But not the same player he once was). The rest are just very meh fringe players. Heath? Collins? Witten? Come on.

Big signings : HaHa Clinton-Dix, Gerald McCoy, Poe. Both will start at FS and 3 Tech. Both are upgrades over last years players. If Poe comes in and plays the 1, that is massive for the line.

So essentially your biggest glaring holes are RDE, #1 Corner, Slot receiver, Center. Ok cool. Rumor has it Gregory will likely be back. Awesome. So Gregory / Crawford can man RDE.

That leaves you with #1 Corner, Slot, Center. Spend your first two picks on (CJ Henderson and Tyler Biadasz or Matt Hennessy). Corner and Center are covered. Slot receiver can be found cheap in FA (Taylor Gabriel) or easily in this loaded draft.

Step back. Breathe. It's only March. This team will be fine after the draft with all needs filled.

Please DO NOT say Crawford I’m an okay end. He CAN’T. He’s terrible at end. He’s a small 3 who does OK.

Carson · Mar 24, 2020

Beaker42 said:
Please DO NOT say Crawford I’m an okay end. He CAN’T. He’s terrible at end. He’s a small 3 who does OK.

He is clearly the backup to Gregory

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