Zeke smart for holding out last year

cern · Mar 26, 2020

aria said:
Wrong.

Sez you.

MarcusRock · Mar 26, 2020

aria said:
I was referring to you implying that Zeke deserved his absurd contract due to what he’s already done. There’s much more that needs to be taken into account when handing out contracts other than numbers, especially when paying the most ever for that position.

People post all the time about how much these players “deserve” for putting their bodies on the line for our entertainment. That’s a joke, spare me the pity party. I couldn’t care less about mow much someone else makes unless it effects the team I love. In case you aren’t aware, there is something called a salary cap, look it up because you seem rather naive about how it works and why some of us care when a running back gets paid as much as Zeke did and how that effects the rest of the team.

I’ll be more than happy to talk to you about “noble” professions. At the top of my list is teachers followed by healthcare workers and truck drivers.

For part of his contract, I think he does deserve a chunk of it for what he's done in the past. His production clearly got us in the playoffs 2 of his first 3 years.

Yes the salary cap makes for a convenient cover but when people start bringing up the fact that they don't see football players as "heroes" (when no one else brought it up) or like to point out that "they make more than the average Joe" it's not about the salary cap. It's ruage about someone else's status. Same as fan whinage in other sports without a salary cap. Through your much-speaking you've revealed that. If it were strictly kept to cap whinage, it might be legitimate complaining. Might.

As for your noble professions, if you'd like to see them get more, how about you and a few other citizens get together and volunteer to pay more taxes to fund them? The campaigning usually ceases at that suggestion.

Little Jr · Mar 26, 2020

Jumbo075 said:
With Todd Gurley getting cut, and Melvin Gordon getting a much lower contract, Zeke was dang smart to hold out last season, instead of waiting for this year.

Not sure Id give Zeke credit for being smart, but Ill give the Cowboys credit for being dumb. If you tell me Zeke did it knowing the Cowboys would cave, then Id give Zeke credit.

aria · Mar 26, 2020

cern said:
Sez you.

And several others.

aria · Mar 26, 2020

MarcusRock said:
For part of his contract, I think he does deserve a chunk of it for what he's done in the past. His production clearly got us in the playoffs 2 of his first 3 years.

Yes the salary cap makes for a convenient cover but when people start bringing up the fact that they don't see football players as "heroes" (when no one else brought it up) or like to point out that "they make more than the average Joe" it's not about the salary cap. It's ruage about someone else's status. Same as fan whinage in other sports without a salary cap. Through your much-speaking you've revealed that. If it were strictly kept to cap whinage, it might be legitimate complaining. Might.

As for your noble professions, if you'd like to see them get more, how about you and a few other citizens get together and volunteer to pay more taxes to fund them? The campaigning usually ceases at that suggestion.

Good suggestion, I should try that.

Personally, I think the O lines production is what got us to the playoffs and I think several running backs would have had similar success, or adequate enough, to get us to the playoffs as well which is why I have a problem with paying him as much as they did.

MarcusRock · Mar 26, 2020

aria said:
Good suggestion, I should try that.

Personally, I think the O lines production is what got us to the playoffs and I think several running backs would have had similar success, or adequate enough, to get us to the playoffs as well which is why I have a problem with paying him as much as they did.

You think we had that guy on the roster those years?

aria · Mar 26, 2020

MarcusRock said:
You think we had that guy on the roster those years?

Morris averaged more ypc. In no way am I saying Morris is better than Zeke but he, as many other RB’s, were capable of getting us to the playoffs. Ironic how only 2 out of the top 10 teams (3 if you can’t Lamar Jackson) with the leading rushers made the playoffs. Do you honestly think we would have lost any games without Zeke last year? He fails to show up when it matters most. We could have easily gone RB by committee since 2016 and had the same record every year and used the money we just spent on Zeke to put towards more important positions.

Common Sense · Mar 26, 2020

dogunwo said:
His draft record isn't that great. More like he would have coached up a free agent.

Everyone ends up drafting at pretty much a league average level once they hit a large enough sample size. The exception is when you have a truly incompetent organization like the Browns.

MarcusRock · Mar 26, 2020

aria said:
Morris averaged more ypc. In no way am I saying Morris is better than Zeke but he, as many other RB’s, were capable of getting us to the playoffs. Ironic how only 2 out of the top 10 teams (3 if you can’t Lamar Jackson) with the leading rushers made the playoffs. Do you honestly think we would have lost any games without Zeke last year? He fails to show up when it matters most. We could have easily gone RB by committee since 2016 and had the same record every year and used the money we just spent on Zeke to put towards more important positions.

Morris only averaged more yards than Zeke the year we didn't make the playoffs rushing half as many times. Joseph Randle had a higher ypc than DeMarco Murray the year Murray broke the Cowboys franchise record for rushing yards. How'd that work out the following year for Randle?

In Zeke's 3 playoff games, he's rushed for 125+ yards in 2 out of the 3. Not showing up when it matters? But of course people only focus on the Rams game because it's convenient. You say RB by committee as if the fabled committee you'd have would have been as effective as the 1 effective lead we know we've had. And that's the bottom line here. If you can, you pay for the KNOWN commodity, not some "hope." Guess you'll have to stew on.

Starforever · Mar 26, 2020

Dak and Zeke hate is real. Contract negotiations, have made it worse.

aria · Mar 26, 2020

MarcusRock said:
Morris only averaged more yards than Zeke the year we didn't make the playoffs rushing half as many times. Joseph Randle had a higher ypc than DeMarco Murray the year Murray broke the Cowboys franchise record for rushing yards. How'd that work out the following year for Randle?

In Zeke's 3 playoff games, he's rushed for 125+ yards in 2 out of the 3. Not showing up when it matters? But of course people only focus on the Rams game because it's convenient. You say RB by committee as if the fabled committee you'd have would have been as effective as the 1 effective lead we know we've had. And that's the bottom line here. If you can, you pay for the KNOWN commodity, not some "hope." Guess you'll have to stew on.

What’s KNOWN is that 2 of the top 10 running backs made the playoffs last year. What’s KNOWN is that only once in the past TWENTY years has the league leading rusher won a Super Bowl. What’s KNOWN is that running backs are one of the most easily replaceable positions which is why some people are so giddy for zeke that he got as much as he did even though it only hurts the team. What’s KNOWN is that zeke has had one of the best, if not the best, O lines in the league since he was drafted.

I’m sorry, do you not consider the New Orleans game a big game? What about the second Philadelphia game? He demanded to be paid as the best but he doesn’t play like it every game, he’s clearly lost a lot since his rookie year and he’s now taking himself out of games because. Again, do you think there are any games we would have lost without him? I don’t.

birdwells1 · Mar 26, 2020

aria said:
I was referring to you implying that Zeke deserved his absurd contract due to what he’s already done. There’s much more that needs to be taken into account when handing out contracts other than numbers, especially when paying the most ever for that position.

People post all the time about how much these players “deserve” for putting their bodies on the line for our entertainment. That’s a joke, spare me the pity party. I couldn’t care less about mow much someone else makes unless it effects the team I love. In case you aren’t aware, there is something called a salary cap, look it up because you seem rather naive about how it works and why some of us care when a running back gets paid as much as Zeke did and how that effects the rest of the team.

I’ll be more than happy to talk to you about “noble” professions. At the top of my list is teachers followed by healthcare workers and truck drivers.

Damn just when we had given you credit for NOT using that lame argument, you go and blow it. You are right out of the greedy players/poor owners playbook, man you are a walking, talking cliche.

birdwells1 · Mar 26, 2020

aria said:
What’s KNOWN is that 2 of the top 10 running backs made the playoffs last year. What’s KNOWN is that only once in the past TWENTY years has the league leading rusher won a Super Bowl. What’s KNOWN is that running backs are one of the most easily replaceable positions which is why some people are so giddy for zeke that he got as much as he did even though it only hurts the team. What’s KNOWN is that zeke has had one of the best, if not the best, O lines in the league since he was drafted.

I’m sorry, do you not consider the New Orleans game a big game? What about the second Philadelphia game? He demanded to be paid as the best but he doesn’t play like it every game, he’s clearly lost a lot since his rookie year and he’s now taking himself out of games because. Again, do you think there are any games we would have lost without him? I don’t.

In your perfect world all the Cowboys players should sign veteran minimum contracts?

Dirk took less money so the Mavs could compete for NBA titles after they won the first, how did that work out for him?

Just because you take less doesn't guarantee that your team will be more successful, all it does guarantee is that you took less.

Would you take less and trust that Jerry and Stephen will make it pay off with a superbowl? I know that I wouldn't.

aria · Mar 26, 2020

birdwells1 said:
Damn just when we had given you credit for NOT using that lame argument, you go and blow it. You are right out of the greedy players/poor owners playbook, man you are a walking, talking cliche.

Go on, elaborate on how I’m a cliche or perhaps learn the definition before applying it to me. This has nothing to do with how much they make personally compared to how their demands hurt team and how Jerry allocates the money. Paying a RB that much money is just dumb. Name me the last time the highest paid RB and/or league leading rusher won a Super Bowl.

I’m glad you’re happy Zeke “won” at the expense of the Cowboys. It’s nice to know there are people out there that will watch the Cowboys blunder another season because of poor cap management but still be happy because the player(s) got paid the several extra million on top of the millions they already had.

cern · Mar 26, 2020

aria said:
And several others.

Opinions and elbows. Everyone has them. Imo, zeke's worth his money.

MarcusRock · Mar 26, 2020

aria said:
What’s KNOWN is that 2 of the top 10 running backs made the playoffs last year. What’s KNOWN is that only once in the past TWENTY years has the league leading rusher won a Super Bowl. What’s KNOWN is that running backs are one of the most easily replaceable positions which is why some people are so giddy for zeke that he got as much as he did even though it only hurts the team. What’s KNOWN is that zeke has had one of the best, if not the best, O lines in the league since he was drafted.

I’m sorry, do you not consider the New Orleans game a big game? What about the second Philadelphia game? He demanded to be paid as the best but he doesn’t play like it every game, he’s clearly lost a lot since his rookie year and he’s now taking himself out of games because. Again, do you think there are any games we would have lost without him? I don’t.

Playoffs trump regular season and he's helped us get to the playoffs and shined more times than not. If that trend you speak of has held for years in the playoffs, then we've been 1 of those 2 teams. Who cares how you get there. Your goal is to get there. Everyone has bad games but are you seriously trying to pin the last Philly game on him when we only gave him the ball 13 times? In his final 6 rushes in that game he gained 38 yards, or 6.3 ypc and we stopped giving him the ball for almost all the 4th Quarter. So now you're blaming him for not being a good enough decoy? Turrible, just turrible. Lol. Your tears are a sea of salt that will never lose its savor.

aria · Mar 26, 2020

birdwells1 said:
In your perfect world all the Cowboys players should sign veteran minimum contracts?

Dirk took less money so the Mavs could compete for NBA titles after they won the first, how did that work out for him?

Just because you take less doesn't guarantee that your team will be more successful, all it does guarantee is that you took less.

Would you take less and trust that Jerry and Stephen will make it pay off with a superbowl? I know that I wouldn't.

How many contracts have you seen me complain about? I love how you assume and accuse me of being upset of “all the Cowboys players” contracts when there only a couple of complained about.

Do you go to every Dak thread and accuse the same thing to the hundreds of people complaining about the contract he has yet to sign?

I’ve said it several times before, if I were a professional athlete (especially already making millions of dollars) and I thought my team had a chance of winning a championship by me taking a slight pay cut I would 100%, absolutely give up that money for the chance. I’m a competitive SOB, I don’t like losing coin flips, making a few extra million would matter nothing to me if it got in the way of winning.

Your one valid point is ting Stephen and Jerry to build the team the right way with the money I gave up. I have nothing to dispute that, I’d feel much safer and better about giving up money if Bill Bellichick were making that call.

aria · Mar 26, 2020

cern said:
Opinions and elbows. Everyone has them. Imo, zeke's worth his money.

Not mine and history has proven that paying RB’s that much money isn’t worth it. Name me the last highest paid RB to win a Super Bowl. Name me the last time the league leading rusher won a Super Bowl? I can name you several RB’s in recent history who won SB’s and were considered “washed up” or weren’t even in the top 10 for total yards.

Typhus · Mar 26, 2020

Jumbo075 said:
With Todd Gurley getting cut, and Melvin Gordon getting a much lower contract, Zeke was dang smart to hold out last season, instead of waiting for this year.

Dude,, that's funny stuff,, like Zeke has the brains that God gave a dog...lol
Ya, Im a harsh man and I can take the backlash when I spout off my BS,, but c,mon man,,,, Zekes agent was the smart man.

aria · Mar 26, 2020

Typhus said:
Dude,, that's funny stuff,, like Zeke has the brains that God gave a dog...lol
Ya, Im a harsh man and I can take the backlash when I spout off my BS,, but c,mon man,,,, Zekes agent was the smart man.

Lol, dude couldn’t find his way out of a wet paper sack. This is the same guy that pulled up a girls top in public WHIlE being investigated for DV against a woman. The same guy who knocked out a DJ AFTER being suspended for DV. The same guy who confronted a security guard AFTER being suspended for DV and this is the same guy that some people refer to as smart. I can’t imagine what their definition of stupid is.

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