How would you feel if the Cowboys took QB Jalen Hurts early?

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Rumors persist...this could be the case...:popcorn:

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/04/nfc-notes-slay-eagles-hurts-cowboys-ifedi-bears

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For me personally...It would be a little rich...to spend that kind of coin...2nd or 3rd...but if he was sitting there in round 5 or 6....I could see the value having a guy that could an "X" factor in your offense.

Comments?....:rolleyes:

A bargain, a homer run in the 2nd round!!!!
 

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Did you just say you think Hurts will be the best QB in the draft this season? That’s bold if so, maybe even naive.
I dont think its bold at all. I still cant figure out why people were surprised he had a good pro day and combine. Im like did not anyone see this guy come off the bench and put the team on his back when Tua sucked and then got hurt? People forget that game but Tua was garbage in that game and if Tua had not got hurt Hurts doesnt play and Bama doesnt make it to the NC game that year. The mental toughness it took and being ready to help his team win at literally a seconds notice. Then Hurts just went to a different college and picked up a new scheme and became a Heisman finalist. Not bold at all. Especially if you watched him play. I hate the Sooners and Bama.....but I like a good story. Hurts has "It"......and will be the best QB in his class.

Tua is the Wince of this class.....Burrow is the Goof and Hurts is the Dak Attack
 

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Tebow was a mid round pick that some QB-needy team fell in love with and took way too early, first round.
I suspect Hurts will find a similar fate. Between mid first and mid second round.
 

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McCarthy's Packers drafted a QB in the 5th round (Ingle Martin) in his first draft with the team in 2006, even though they still had Favre and the team had spent a 1st on Rodgers recently.

And then they drafted two quarterbacks the year they handed the team to Rodgers, picking Brian Brohm in the 2nd round and Matt Flynn in the 7th. Brohm flopped horribly but they ended up being very happy they picked Flynn down the road.

I wouldn't really want to spend a pick as high as the 2nd rounder on Hurts, repeating the mistake McCarthy's Packers made with Brohm. But I'd be happy enough spending a mid-round pick on him. If McCarthy and Kellen Moore and the scouts are high on him and excited about developing him? Sure.

Let's be honest, quarterbacks pretty much all get hurt eventually.

It doesn't pay to rest on your laurels the minute you find a good #1, being content to put the backup spots on cruise control instead of hustling to find another good one. Odds are you'll need him one day.

Jerry has been very prone, over the years, to rostering garbage and fluff behind his #1 QB because he's content with his star QB and he just wants to pencil in a washed-up vet's name who he recognizes or a futureless nobody and call it a day. Like he finds it too taxing and not worth his time or attention to hustle and do the work with the backup QB spots. Aikman and Romo's eras were mostly full of us putting the backup QB spots on cruise control, often to our detriment. (Go look up Wade Wilson's miserable stats during his time with us and be amazed at the fact that he hung around on the roster for 3 whole years, as if our general manager straight-up didn't notice Wilson didn't belong.) We couldn't deign to do the work once we had a good #1 in our pocket most of the time.

If McCarthy bucks that trend and gets us interested in hustling to churn the bottom of the QB depth chart until we hit on someone, I would be pleased.
 

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Dak and Hurts are the same player except Hurts will be on a rookie contract. Drafting Hurts the Cowboys could save a ton of money when he replaces Dak but there would still be slight learning curve. This solves the money problem but it doesnt help much for winning a SB or even and NFC championship game. Dallas needs to quit being cheap and spend a 1st rounder on a QB with real potential.
 

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Tebow was a mid round pick that some QB-needy team fell in love with and took way too early, first round.
It's wild how awful Tebow was, actually. Guy completed 47% of his passes for his career in the NFL. That's bananas.

When fans don't like a mobile QB or they decide someone is a bad QB who the team has to win in spite of, they'll often name-drop Tebow as a comparison to slander the guy. But in the modern passing-friendly era of the NFL the last 2 or 3 decades, it's kind of hard to find QBs who compare to his level of worthlessness as a passer. A career completion percentage below 50 is next-level crazy.

As a thought exercise, if you randomly think of guys off the top of your head who you remember being lousy passers in the last couple decades, and you look up their stats, you might be surprised how hard it is to find a guy who completed 40-something percent of his passes. Like, you'll think, "Oh, you know who couldn't throw at all? Vince Young." But then you'll look it up and find he actually completed close to 60%. Heck, even JaMarcus Russell cracked 50%. I thought about the miserable post-Aikman years we had and looked up a bunch of those guys, and almost all of them cracked 50% completion percentage in their careers. Stoerner, Wright, Hutchinson, Henson -- all of 'em cracked 50% at least. Ryan Leaf was the only one from that dark era of ours whose career completion percentage was down in the 40's.
 

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Totally fine with it. I really like the player.
 

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Dak and Hurts are the same player
It would be a tall order to expect any incoming QB in a draft class (even the blue chippers at the top of the draft) to play as well as Dak has.

A passer rating of 97? (with a floor, so far, of 86.6)

A TD-to-INT ratio of 2-3 touchdowns for every INT? (with his floor, so far, being the year he scored 28 touchdowns and threw 13 picks)

A .625 win percentage? (with a floor, so far, of .500)

Even if you have the #1 overall pick in recent years, recent history says you're picking a QB who you'll spend years trying to coax that kind of performance out of them.
 

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It's wild how awful Tebow was, actually. Guy completed 47% of his passes for his career in the NFL. That's bananas.

When fans don't like a mobile QB or they decide someone is a bad QB who the team has to win in spite of, they'll often name-drop Tebow as a comparison to slander the guy. But in the modern passing-friendly era of the NFL the last 2 or 3 decades, it's kind of hard to find QBs who compare to his level of worthlessness as a passer. A career completion percentage below 50 is next-level crazy.

As a thought exercise, if you randomly think of guys off the top of your head who you remember being lousy passers in the last couple decades, and you look up their stats, you might be surprised how hard it is to find a guy who completed 40-something percent of his passes. Like, you'll think, "Oh, you know who couldn't throw at all? Vince Young." But then you'll look it up and find he actually completed close to 60%. Heck, even JaMarcus Russell cracked 50%. I thought about the miserable post-Aikman years we had and looked up a bunch of those guys, and almost all of them cracked 50% completion percentage in their careers. Stoerner, Wright, Hutchinson, Henson -- all of 'em cracked 50% at least. Ryan Leaf was the only one from that dark era of ours whose career completion percentage was down in the 40's.

good points. Mine was only that nearly all QBs are overdrafted and even a late or mid round grade may go out the window come draft day. Tebow is one of the most glaring examples, but there tons of others....
 

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I really really like Hurts and think he will be the best QB in his class.

That said I would say I would have to call MM out as being a puppet. He said we were going all in on defense. To get a QB early in the draft is a JJ move

I don't get why McCarthy would be a puppet if he changed his mind. Draft decisions are collectively key staff anyway. Also we lost OL Travis Frederick to early retirement, we could also use a slot receiver. Some of our desired defensive draft targets may not be available when we select and therefore we may make best available player picks. Isn't all in on defense a bit extreme? Would you be placated or would it still make your day if McCarthy was 80% "his own man" and 20% purported puppet?
 

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Not a wise move if taken ab
Rumors persist...this could be the case...:popcorn:

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/04/nfc-notes-slay-eagles-hurts-cowboys-ifedi-bears

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For me personally...It would be a little rich...to spend that kind of coin...2nd or 3rd...but if he was sitting there in round 5 or 6....I could see the value having a guy that could an "X" factor in your offense.

Comments?....:rolleyes:
Given our defensive needs, not a wise move if taken above 4th round. If we took a QB in the first round, it would only be necessary if negotiations with Dak weren't going to pan out, which I don't see happening this close to the draft.
 

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I said in another thread, maybe they're thinking of him as a WR........you don't draft a replacement for a player you're paying $30M+.
 

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Not a fan of Hurts. Not sure his game makes the leap to the NFL. There’s other QB’s I’d be more interested in.

I might consider him if he’s still available in later rounds.
 

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McCarthy's Packers drafted a QB in the 5th round (Ingle Martin) in his first draft with the team in 2006, even though they still had Favre and the team had spent a 1st on Rodgers recently.

And then they drafted two quarterbacks the year they handed the team to Rodgers, picking Brian Brohm in the 2nd round and Matt Flynn in the 7th. Brohm flopped horribly but they ended up being very happy they picked Flynn down the road.

I wouldn't really want to spend a pick as high as the 2nd rounder on Hurts, repeating the mistake McCarthy's Packers made with Brohm. But I'd be happy enough spending a mid-round pick on him. If McCarthy and Kellen Moore and the scouts are high on him and excited about developing him? Sure.

Let's be honest, quarterbacks pretty much all get hurt eventually.

It doesn't pay to rest on your laurels the minute you find a good #1, being content to put the backup spots on cruise control instead of hustling to find another good one. Odds are you'll need him one day.

Jerry has been very prone, over the years, to rostering garbage and fluff behind his #1 QB because he's content with his star QB and he just wants to pencil in a washed-up vet's name who he recognizes or a futureless nobody and call it a day. Like he finds it too taxing and not worth his time or attention to hustle and do the work with the backup QB spots. Aikman and Romo's eras were mostly full of us putting the backup QB spots on cruise control, often to our detriment. (Go look up Wade Wilson's miserable stats during his time with us and be amazed at the fact that he hung around on the roster for 3 whole years, as if our general manager straight-up didn't notice Wilson didn't belong.) We couldn't deign to do the work once we had a good #1 in our pocket most of the time.

If McCarthy bucks that trend and gets us interested in hustling to churn the bottom of the QB depth chart until we hit on someone, I would be pleased.

You left out Brett Hundley. Packers drafted him in the 5th round in 2015.
 

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I would take him in the third round if he was still on the board.
He most likely won't make it to our fourth round pick.
The guy is a pure winner
 

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Hurts is likely to be taken in the second or third round and wouldn't even come close to the "coin" Dak wants. Dallas would save a considerable amount of $. Let's not kid ourselves, Dak's not going anywhere.

Hurts would be a considerable prospect for Pittsburgh & cut the apron strings on Worthlisberger.
 

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Why in the world would we take Dak 2.0 in the draft? To the Dak haters, he's the same guy you already don't like.
 
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