Once in a Lifetime WR

CalPolyTechnique · Apr 23, 2020

Now that I have offended the tenderhearts on the board, the video below highlights my concerns with Devin Duvernay.

Some folks keep wanting to plug this guy into the slot but I don’t see the refined route running to create space that’s necessary on short routes.

Duvernay can run the 9 and deep post, but I don’t see him being an early plug and play guy.

Keep the following in mind: 1) these are not all NFL starting quality CBs, let alone NFL caliber corners he’s facing; and 2) these 1-on-1 always provide the WR and advantage over the CB.

darthseinfeld · Apr 23, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
Now that I have offended the tenderhearts on the board, the video below highlights my concerns with Devin Duvernay.

Some folks keep wanting to plug this guy into the slot but I don’t see the refined route running to create space that’s necessary on short routes.

Duvernay can run the 9 and deep post, but I don’t see him being an early plug and play guy.

Really not a fan to be honest. I think there are going to be alot of limitations with him as far as being an NFL WR. Especially in the slot

Canada180 · Apr 23, 2020

tsk tsk tsk click bait

cowboyec · Apr 23, 2020

James Proche,Smu.

JBell · Apr 23, 2020

cowboyec said:
James Proche,Smu.

He wasn't winning as much as you'd like either

Denzel Mims, Van Jefferson, and KJ Hill won just about every rep during their 1 on 1's.

cowboyec · Apr 23, 2020

JBell said:
He wasn't winning as much as you'd like either

Denzel Mims, Van Jefferson, and KJ Hill. won just about every rep during their 1 on 1's.

best hands in the class in my opinion.

DasTex · Apr 23, 2020

Did I miss where some were calling him a "once in a lifetime receiver" ?

CalPolyTechnique · Apr 23, 2020

JBell said:
He wasn't winning as much as you'd like either

Denzel Mims, Van Jefferson, and KJ Hill won just about every rep during their 1 on 1's.

I agree, and I was a big Proche fan.

JBell · Apr 23, 2020

numnuts23 said:
Did I miss where some were calling him a "once in a lifetime receiver" ?

Just @CalPolyTechnique stirring things up like he did with his Delpit thread lol.

Creeper · Apr 23, 2020

We're talking about 4th round draft picks here. And these drills are not like game situations. CBs are playing man-to-man with no refs and no one else in patterns.

Duvernay is not perfect, or he would be going in the 1st round, not 4th. But he has good hands and speed. With a little pro coaching and experience he could turn out to be a solid 3rd WR in the slot.

I also like Proche, but unlike Duvernay he is slow. He does have great hands though and I bet he makes a solid slot receiver, if not spectacular. But, you can't teach speed.

Canada180 · Apr 23, 2020

cowboyec said:
best hands in the class in my opinion.

This guy has some sticky hands too..

CalPolyTechnique · Apr 23, 2020

Creeper said:
We're talking about 4th round draft picks here. And these drills are not like game situations. CBs are playing man-to-man with no refs and no one else in patterns.

Duvernay is not perfect, or he would be going in the 1st round, not 4th. But he has good hands and speed. With a little pro coaching and experience he could turn out to be a solid 3rd WR in the slot.

I also like Proche, but unlike Duvernay he is slow. He does have great hands though and I bet he makes a solid slot receiver, if not spectacular. But, you can't teach speed.

Precisely. And the WR is at an advantage by default; there’s no pass rush affecting the QB; there’s no linemen obscuring the passing windows; the CB is reacting to the what the WR is doing, et cetera.

I personally think Duvernay is too rocked up (built like a RB) and stuff to be truly effective in short areas to create space for himself. Can he improve? Sure. To what extent I’m not sure. He’s at his best running linear routes: 9’s, posts, slants

CalPolyTechnique · Apr 23, 2020

JBell said:
Just @CalPolyTechnique stirring things up like he did with his Delpit thread lol.

Now I’m just waiting for the “everyone has good tape and bad tape” post.

darthseinfeld · Apr 23, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
Now I’m just waiting for the “everyone has good tape and bad tape” post.

Everyone has good tape and bad tape.

Ill even raise you an I can find bad tape of Jerry Rice

darthseinfeld · Apr 23, 2020

I cant though. So dont call me out on that

Williamsboys · Apr 23, 2020

"One in a lifetime receiver??' You must have lived a very short life.

RS12 · Apr 23, 2020

Jerry Rice is re entering the draft?

stilltheguru · Apr 23, 2020

Reminds of james washington

beware_d-ware · Apr 23, 2020

If I had to make a case for Duvernay, I'd say that the track record for sub-4.4 WRs drafted in the last 4 years has been very good.

The only guys I'm seeing on that list who were just a straight-up bad picks are John Ross and Josh Malone (both Bengals coincidentially... sucks to suck, Cincinnati), for all the rest, I think the team would be happy with what they invested.

Based on tape I don't see Duvernay making it, but in light of the how much of a speed-based game pro football is becoming, I could justify a 4th rounder.

The only other correlation I've seen for NFL WR success besides height/weight/speed is college team target share, and Duvernay did great in that regard as well (70th percentile target hog in the nation). I personally discounted that because he got fed twelve billion bubble screens on manufactured touches, but if you're just trusting the statistics, then hey.

xwalker · Apr 23, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
Now that I have offended the tenderhearts on the board, the video below highlights my concerns with Devin Duvernay.

Some folks keep wanting to plug this guy into the slot but I don’t see the refined route running to create space that’s necessary on short routes.

Duvernay can run the 9 and deep post, but I don’t see him being an early plug and play guy.

Keep the following in mind: 1) these are not all NFL starting quality CBs, let alone NFL caliber corners he’s facing; and 2) these 1-on-1 always provide the WR and advantage over the CB.

Didn't he win most of those reps?

He definitely ran simple routes in college. He does not project to be a full time "starting" slot WR as rookie.

As a slot WR, Nickel CBs won't have the sideline to help them. Playing with a 2-way go benefits a player like Duvernay.

He is fast with a solid RB-ish build (5'10-1/2", 200, 4.39 forty) and is very good after the catch.

It's not a requirement, but it's nice to have a slot WR with deep speed and reasonable size to be a threat on intermediate/deep routes.
- Defenses often played back on 3rd and long type situations against Beasley because they didn't fear him running beating them deep.
- That didn't limit Beasley's stats but it made it easier for defenses to cover other receivers.

With regards to the Cowboys, I think Tony Pollard can do most of what Duvernay can do as a receiver plus Pollard can play as a legit RB.

I'm not jumping up and down to draft Duvernay but I think he would be a solid 4th round pick.

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