If released in theory. would Dak start elsewhere?

CowboysFaninHouston · May 8, 2020

plasticman said:
If anybody is truly interested, I would be willing to go through the step by step process that was used to copy the data off Pro-Football-Reference, transfer it to an Excel spreadsheet and then apply the necessary sort, formula, and format functions to find the answers to the question I had.

Many of the most popular stats are readymade. For example, if you wanted the highest rated quarterbacks for a particular season or for all time, they are already there. If you wanted to re-arrange that list to rank them according to completion percentage all you have to do is click that column heading and it is done.

However, if you wanted more refined information, you would have to key in the parameters. If you wanted to perform calculations on the data, then you transfer it to spreadsheet to apply the required functions.

Anybody reporting a statement as factual can always provide a link to that statement. Reporting findings based on a statistical analysis is a little trickier but I'm always willing to try. Of course, some degree of trust would be far easier. Together, we Cowboy fans have a very far and diverse range of knowledge, skills, and experiences as well as education level. I'm probably somewhere in the middle as there are some on this forum with professional careers requiring advanced degrees, perhaps some doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc.

Apparently, we all know how to use computers so nobody here lacks the capacity to understand whether a statement is a fact or an opinion. I know from being on this forum for a while that pretty much everyone understands that, in order for your opinion to be impactful, you want to base it on the relevent facts. 98% of you obviously don't need to be told this. The other 2% just needs to respect the effort of others. If you disagree with someone, you should make the effort to tell them why based on your information at hand. That's why we are all here. That's what discussion forums are for.

they are not interested. they will never be interested. no matter how many FACTs and REAL STATs you present and have been presented in the past, they dismiss it....Super_gooza and others like him have an agenda to drive. that's their point. even the OP, started, and clearly intended to be a troll and get a 16 page posts and nothing but that given he contradicted himself several times in all the subsequent responses. that's definition of a troll......and yes, they are very very very lazy....

i.e. they complain about Dak and 8-8 season, blaming dak for the final record....then people say 13-3, and they say, it wasn't him, it was everybody else, football is a team game.... that's called speaking from both sides of your arse (cheeks) at the same time.....it clearly shows their agenda given they have failed, given the opportunity to present their facts.....they continuously and over and over again failed to do so and contradict themselves.....

CowboysFaninHouston · May 8, 2020

Hardline said:
Then why are we that offer valid criticism labeled haters?

some offer valid criticism. even I did it prior to the season and they labeled me hater....I am objective....

but when someone states as a matter of factly, that Dak is nothing better than a back up in the league...that's not valid criticism...that's a troll, looking for a response....given opportunity to present facts to that matter they stated, they get angry, because they don't have any, and further more when someone presents the opposite, they dismiss it as fake!!!! although all the numbers and data is out there....

for example....some one said Dak is accurate given his completion percentage compared to other QBs....their response is that completion percentage is not accuracy....then they get asked, so what do you mean, how do you measure what you said...they get angry and throw insults...because they don't have an answer.....its the same cycle over and over again,

and most on this board, like dak or not like him, engage given there aren't much news, not even mini camps and everyone seemingly bored...these trolls are getting their day...soon, when season begins, they will be forgotten and ignored.... its their 15 minute of infamy......

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CowboysFaninHouston · May 8, 2020

Wood said:
I think hate is wrong term. I think over-paying Top $$ for QB who might not even be top 8 doesn't sit well with fans in cap era. Ultimately every Cowboy fans was team to win SB.

but getting top play at a 4th round price is what everyone wants.....and like I have said before, cousins is making 33/year...is he a top 10 QB? Ryan when he signed was top 2 I believe, is he a top 10 QB? Wilson is getting paid top 3 is he a top 5 QB?......Eli signed the biggest contract and everyone said, they will never win a superbowl….two years later they were in the superbowl and won it.....btw, by that time he wasn't the highest paid, nor had he 15% of his salary cap....given salary cap's go up and QB salaries go up.....thinking of it long term, expecting the same, then 35 sounds high today, but 2 years from now, its league average......that's the way NFL has been, is and will continue to be....

Doomsday101 · May 8, 2020

If Dak is as bad as some claim then maybe Dallas should not have fired Garrett. Hell winning the east 2 of Dak 1st 4 years and going 1-2 with such an awful QB looks like a damn good accomplishment. Most HC need a quality QB to win. lol

SteveTheCowboy · May 8, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
some offer valid criticism. even I did it prior to the season and they labeled me hater....I am objective....

but when someone states as a matter of factly, that Dak is nothing better than a back up in the league...that's not valid criticism...that's a troll, looking for a response....given opportunity to present facts to that matter they stated, they get angry, because they don't have any, and further more when someone presents the opposite, they dismiss it as fake!!!! although all the numbers and data is out there....

for example....some one said Dak is accurate given his completion percentage compared to other QBs....their response is that completion percentage is not accuracy....then they get asked, so what do you mean, how do you measure what you said...they get angry and throw insults...because they don't have an answer.....its the same cycle over and over again,

and most on this board, like dak or not like him, engage given there aren't much news, not even mini camps and everyone seemingly bored...these trolls are getting their day...soon, when season begins, they will be forgotten and ignored.... its their 15 minute of infamy......

I think it's quite okay to not like a player just because....or more likely for a reason YOU do not agree with.

One of my friends has a super duper "race car". Started out factory and pretty sleek and fast. Then he started fiddinlin with it...and superchargers and this and that. Whenit worked it was SUPER fast....course approved. But half the time it didn;t. Nobody wanted it when he got done with it, not even him. I see much the same thing here. Then there's the money part...YOU say "who can blame him for getting as much as possible". Other people say "it's a very generous offer take it". YOU think HE is crazy and illogical.

(not syainbg YOU you...just an example of what;s going on here.

And so now we sit here arguing about it.

SOme people might not like him and can;t quite put their finger on it. They watch other QB's do 8-8 or better with FAR worse teams and systems. No real reason about it it just is.

Too bad we can't just take a deep breath and allow people their thoughts and opinions. And if they are as you say...trolls...then arguing and demanding logic...YOUR logic...just makes it worse.

Hardline · May 8, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
some offer valid criticism. even I did it prior to the season and they labeled me hater....I am objective....

but when someone states as a matter of factly, that Dak is nothing better than a back up in the league...that's not valid criticism...that's a troll, looking for a response....given opportunity to present facts to that matter they stated, they get angry, because they don't have any, and further more when someone presents the opposite, they dismiss it as fake!!!! although all the numbers and data is out there....

for example....some one said Dak is accurate given his completion percentage compared to other QBs....their response is that completion percentage is not accuracy....then they get asked, so what do you mean, how do you measure what you said...they get angry and throw insults...because they don't have an answer.....its the same cycle over and over again,

and most on this board, like dak or not like him, engage given there aren't much news, not even mini camps and everyone seemingly bored...these trolls are getting their day...soon, when season begins, they will be forgotten and ignored.... its their 15 minute of infamy......

The problem is those of us that offer objective valid criticism are labeled haters .

CowboysFaninHouston · May 8, 2020

Hardline said:
The problem is those of us that offer objective valid criticism are labeled haters .

believe me I understand, as I was labeled one too.....

BourbonBalz · May 8, 2020

Some of these damned threads. People must be really bored.

csirl · May 8, 2020

I dont get people cheering to pay any player a shed load of guaranteed money? Fans of any team would want players to be paid as little as possible? Why the fixation?

I also sense a lot on this thread have developed a deep emotional attachment to one player. While most fans of teams have their favorites, this attachment seems to run a lot deeper than normal. Given a choice between following Dak OR the Cowboys which would they pick first?

plasticman · May 8, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
If Dak is as bad as some claim then maybe Dallas should not have fired Garrett. Hell winning the east 2 of Dak 1st 4 years and going 1-2 with such an awful QB looks like a damn good accomplishment. Most HC need a quality QB to win. lol

Nice point. Garrett being fired implies that Dak was poorly coached. Dak achieved his two Pro Bowls and statistical ranking despite this obvious handicap.

This further suggests that, with proper coaching, Dak has the potential to be legendary. We must keep him and give him what he wants!

Thank you Garrett haters. Your analysis is the perfect defense in response to Dak haters.

ondaedg · May 8, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
What exactly do you believe is wrong about what I said?

If you wish to believe I was wrong, so be it. Doesn't matter to me either way. You said the words, they are there for all to read.

But I'll ask the question again. When you watch Dak, do you see any of those HOF QBs in his play?

Ok so you blew the argument and now you're putting the goal posts in a different country. Got it.

:thumbup:

ondaedg · May 8, 2020

csirl said:
I dont get people cheering to pay any player a shed load of guaranteed money? Fans of any team would want players to be paid as little as possible? Why the fixation?

I also sense a lot on this thread have developed a deep emotional attachment to one player. While most fans of teams have their favorites, this attachment seems to run a lot deeper than normal. Given a choice between following Dak OR the Cowboys which would they pick first?

Fans don't want guaranteed money. The market is setting their perceptions and expectations.

ondaedg · May 8, 2020

plasticman said:
Nice point. Garrett being fired implies that Dak was poorly coached. Dak achieved his two Pro Bowls and statistical ranking despite this obvious handicap.

This further suggests that, with proper coaching, Dak has the potential to be legendary. We must keep him and give him what he wants!

Thank you Garrett haters. Your analysis is the perfect defense in response to Dak haters.

Garrett was ranked 32nd in INTs for his entire tenure of 9+ seasons as HC. That statistic alone if improved upon by MM will benefit Dak and our entire offense. So yes Garrett was certainly holding our offensive production back just on the takeaway front alone.

The Steelers in 2019 gave the ball back to their offense 21 more times than we did. Let that sink in for a moment. Twenty fricking one! We win at a minimum 3 more games if we had 21 more possessions many of which were on the opponent's side of the 50. In our 8 losses, we had 4 takeaways. Four?!! That will always be part of Garrett's legacy and an even bigger weakness then his inability to do gametime adjustments.

ABQCOWBOY · May 8, 2020

ondaedg said:
Ok so you blew the argument and now you're putting the goal posts in a different country. Got it.

You know what, I can see that you are just not mature enough to have a serious grown up conversation. You draw this however you want. I don't care.

Have a good weekend.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 8, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
If Dak is as bad as some claim then maybe Dallas should not have fired Garrett. Hell winning the east 2 of Dak 1st 4 years and going 1-2 with such an awful QB looks like a damn good accomplishment. Most HC need a quality QB to win. lol

CowboysFaninHouston · May 8, 2020

csirl said:
I dont get people cheering to pay any player a shed load of guaranteed money? Fans of any team would want players to be paid as little as possible? Why the fixation?

I also sense a lot on this thread have developed a deep emotional attachment to one player. While most fans of teams have their favorites, this attachment seems to run a lot deeper than normal. Given a choice between following Dak OR the Cowboys which would they pick first?

all fans, including cowboys want to pay players as little as possible and get the most.... no one is advocating that he should be paid above market value....this is the market value for a starting QB.....the issue at hand is the garbage some trolls posts that He is not a good QB and advocate that he is at best a back up QB...….that's utterly and clearly stupidity....nothing but that

jnday · May 8, 2020

The point that a lot of people misses is that any decent QB should be playing at Dak’s level or better with the talent that this offense has. There are several QBs that would be great in Dallas. Wentz would be one of them.

ondaedg · May 8, 2020

jnday said:
The point that a lot of people misses is that any decent QB should be playing at Dak’s level or better with the talent that this offense has. There are several QBs that would be great in Dallas. Wentz would be one of them.

You must really hate Joe Montana and Peyton Manning then with all of the talent they had.

:lmao:

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