Northern_Cowboy
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That's a fair answer but you are avoiding the real question, do you think Dak should be paid like a top 5 QB?
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That's a fair answer but you are avoiding the real question, do you think Dak should be paid like a top 5 QB?
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Totally agree i'm just pointing out that this talented offense is starting to show cracks
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I can't wait till this Dak contract thing is finally OVER.
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Andy Dalton is the deal breaker...the Cowboys won't get off the 5 year part for the deal. If he signs his current franchise-tag, then his next contract could then be 4 years, and he'll still miss the window for when the new TV contracts appear again.
He would be a fool to turn down top 5 money, when he's not actually there as to shown talent. Yea, he might continue improving, but he's young enough to take the deal offered by the Cowboys and still cash in later.
5 years now, gives Dallas a buffer at that point, but they already are offering him top dollars.
Dalton is till the current deal breaker, as he can't force the Cowboys to now go beyond top money, but a 5 year deal. The tag and a new 4 year deal next year, will accomplish what Dallas wants now...
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Here's the problem with your link. Jones has said repeatedly he does not negotiate through the media and agents know that GM's refuse to budge if a player's agent starts to leak details of the negotiations to the media. So this leads me to again believe this is more SPECULATION on what contracts have been offered and/or rejected.
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Eagles have a top 3 offensive line in the league, Miles Sanders, Zack Ertz and Dallas Goedert. Paid big money for Jeffrey's and Desean which is why they can't cut them now.
Rams just traded multiple draft picks for Jaylen Ramsey. They had Gurley, Cooper Kupp, Brandon Cooks and Robert Woods.....
What are you talking about?
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Our D was ranked top 10 last season, we had a top 5 O-Line a top 5 RB and a top 10 WR's group where we didn't have anything top 10 was at QB and the coaching position. WE have a new coach i am hopefull and we are all going to see this year if it was Rodgers who carried MM and well you all know i don't think Dak is a top 10 QB, i would say he is top 15 in this league (basically bus driver kind of QB)
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Guaranteed works out to just over $21 million per year. That's the number we need to be paying attention to.
Let's say almost half of the guarantee is signing bonus. That's $10 million per year, so Dallas would need to pay $56 million in other base or bonuses over four years to fulfill the guarantee. Essentially that means that Dallas would pay Dak $96 million of his total guarantee over four years, with the final $10 million in bonus prorated for the fifth year when his base will likely exceed his bonus either leading to a renegotiation or him being cut.
Usually, the contract escalates as well so that it can be restructured if needed. So it might look something like this:
$5 million base, $10 million bonus for $15 million in 2020.
$12 million base, $10 million bonus for $22 million in 2021.
$14 million base, $10 million bonus for $24 million in 2022.
$25 million base, $10 million bonus for $35 million in 2023. (This would be the ideal year to restructure or renegotiate because of the jump in base pay.)
Remaining base salary, $10 million bonus in 2024. (If Dallas didn't renegotiate in 2023, this would be either the opt out year since the base exceeds the guarantee or the year the team would absolutely have to renegotiate.)
In comparison, Wentz got almost $108 million guaranteed when he renegotiated his deal. He'll make $18.6 million this year and $34,6 next year (after making $8.3 last year) before Philly can option out. If the Eagles opt out that year they will be hit by $24.5 million in dead money, but will save nearly $7 million in cap space.
This is why Dallas needs a fifth year with Prescott. It allows that guaranteed hit to be extended into an extra year to lower the hits for the first four.
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Miles Sanders was a backup last season 3rd on the depth chart, he played well but stop with the "he is a top RB" let him prove it this season 1st. They have outstanding TE's. Rams situation just goes to show you it is impossible to pay everyone and that same thing will happen to us too starting next season
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That is talent+coaching (at least when you rank the defense). Talent is looking at the personnel and comparing them to other rosters. There are more than 10 teams with better receiving options than the Cowboys. However, the OLine is very strong and the run game is very solid.
Defensively its a bottom 10 secondary with an above average front 7. The Cowboys problem is that they are very good at finding great players (though not as good as the top 3 teams right now), but the big problem is that they cannot find the average player to save their lives and those players are what are needed so that the stars can carry the team.
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The numbers have been out there, also. I saw the dollars before I saw the years. This is why I never really engaged in the debates re: Dak. The Cowboys ARE going to pay him and pay him alot. It's just a matter for how long.
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NO! I never SAID he was a top RB. That was a isolated issue. I don't care where he was on the depth chart. Miles Sanders was a BEAST in college. He will be a BEAST again next year. He is a weapon. Ertz and Goedert are WEAPONS. And either way...they were paying Jordan Howard, Alshon Jeffrey's and Desean Jackson. Not only that but they are paying big money to THREE defensive tackles.
You do not have to be a 4th overall pick to be effective. Or you don't have to be a top pick to be good is my point.
And the Rams situation does not show you anything. Brandon Cooks and Gurley weren't cut or traded because of their pay. Someone else could've been a casualty. They were cut because they weren't living up to their contracts and not playing well.
Now a valid argument would be that once you sign a contract to a big deal you have to be cautious about the deal you hand out. That's a valid point.
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Problem with your scenario is that the Contract is for 4 years a 35m per season or 140m you have to factor in the amount of cash that is not guaranteed also, you are only paying dak 94m over the 4 seasons leaving 44m on the table, that won't happen, maybe 10-15 but not 44m the only way the contract can be written using your methodology would be to have base salaries much higher starting in year 2, 3 and 4 to account for the missing 44m.
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Numbers tell a different story, we were Ranked 10th in total yards given up 9th in passing yards allowed and 11th in run yards allowed and 10th in points per game given up. Where we lacked was in turnovers. We were a solid D last year, this year i expect us to be a little worse we lost some very good players
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$35 mill a year and over $100 million guaranteed and the dude is saying "nah, not good enough".
Seriously, is there anybody on this board that thinks Dak is worth this type of coin? Being the highest paid player in the history of the entire NFL?
Dude has one playoff win...………..ONE PLAYOFF WIN!!!!!
I'm sorry, but Dak is not worth this much, he just aint. I like the guy, have his jersey I wear on gamedays, but no way in hell am I making Dak the highest paid player in the history of the league. Call me hater all you want, but dude aint worth it.
Here's two thinks about your comment. One, there was a QB who on his second contract became the highest paid player in NFL history and in the last year of that contract finally won a Super Bowl, Phil Simms from the Giants. The giants finally got to and won a Super Bowl after developing a very good defense to go along with the offense.
Point two. You like so many who want to base things on ONLY what Prescott has done COMPLETELY forgetting this is a team sport It's not like Prescott is the only player out there on offense and not placing any blame for the losses the past 4 years on the defense or lack there of in many games along with special teams. The only team that immediately comes to mind of a team that won a Super Bowl in spite of having a bad QB was Trent Dilffer who had a top NFL record setting defense. When the NFL actually moves to just the QB on offense making it 1 on offense against 11 on defense let me know.
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Rams were scared of Gurley knee and did not give him the same workload last year he had the previous season, he only hadf one bad year under his new deal. If Zeke has a bad year this year should we jettison him too? Gurley was let go because the Rams don't trust his knee the Falcons think differently we will see who is right and Cooks got hurt last year with a bad concussion and had trouble coming back from it after an 80 catch season the year before, so yes both their productions were off but what really happenned is they were both cap casulities. The Rams just got rid of both of them a year earlier. If they had kept both and both had solid years this years they would have still both been gone next year.
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According to Fisher's numbers, the contract is for five years. The first four years will only pay most of the guaranteed portion, listed at $106 million. The fifth year will pay the remaining guaranteed portion that was included as bonus, plus whatever nonguaranteed remains of the contracted total.
You can use Elliott's contract to see how it works. He got a $90 million, six-year deal, but only $50 million is guaranteed. After the fourth year, only $6,7 million in guarantees remain, while his base salary remaining is $52 million. The first four years were all about paying off the guarantees in base salary to set it up so that he only had a small guarantee left, allowing him to be cut and save cap space in 2023.
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Your logic is faulty. Dalton is NOTHING more than a 1 year insurance policy against injury of Prescott and has ZERO to do with Prescott's negotiations. Dalton has admitted this is the first time he ever signed a contract where he knew he was only the backup.
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