Twitter: Dak vs top-10 defenses

I love all the people calling both these players average. Try to educate yourself some, Andy Dalton is an average QB, neither of these guys are average. Both have been historically good in their first few seasons. Some of that has to do with rule changes but a lot is that these guys are just really good young QB’s.

IMO Wentz is more talented and has a higher ceiling. Injuries are a factor and he needs to string together some healthy seasons, When he’s off he can be way off, when he’s on he’s a top 5 QB in the league.

Dak is a higher floor, lower ceiling guy, He isn’t as naturally gifted but he gets it done and he’s always available,

It’s like a Maserati vs a Mercedes. The Maserati is a better performer but it’s in the shop too much. The Mercedes will always start and it get’s you where you’re going but if you get in a drag race you may not have enough horsepower,

Raw Talent- Wentz, Goff, Dak
Who I would take thru first 4 years- Dak, Wentz, Goff
Who I would take moving forward- Wentz, Dak, Goff. Wentz is riskier but I feel like injuries will average out and he’ll start stringing healthy seasons together. Matt Stafford is a good example of this happening.

I think Goff is 3rd and falling behind.

Let me cherry pick one play to define Dan Orlovsky....it goes both ways

Hadenough said:

Daks first season there was no book on him but it was started when he really struggled his 2nd game against the Giants and the Vikings. It was the following season that soured me on Dak. That Denver game was a nightmare along with Falcons, Chargers and Eagles were all must win games and he was awful. In the meantime the Eagles and Wentz beat the Falcons, chargers and Denver. I'm telling people that Dak is not that good. He gets great stats against bad teams but folds when he gets pumched in the mouth. If the Bills and Bears game didn't show people that there are some real fools who have fallen for fools gold.

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Dak's absolute best quality up until the Atlanta debacle was his calmness. He was relaxed and could react without panicking. Since that game, he has never been the same. Other tough games had affected him but that one really broke his confidence. Now, when things are tough you can see he is tense & pressing.

Pola_pe_a said:

Andy Dalton is an average QB

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Aren't Dalton's first 4 years almost identical to Dak's? Seems like any classification would have to be the same for both of them.

McKDaddy said:

Aren't Dalton's first 4 years almost identical to Dak's? Seems like any classification would have to be the same for both of them.

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Talking career as a whole. Dalton is middle of the pack, neither Dak nor Wentz are middle of the pack.

Pola_pe_a said:

Talking career as a whole. Dalton is middle of the pack, neither Dak nor Wentz are middle of the pack.

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not sure comparing an 8 year run against a 4 year run is really apples to apples though.
When he is playing at his best he can crack the top 10. When he plays badly, its bad. All too often he has both in the same game and the result in my opinion is slightly + or - average NFL QB. Due to lot of turnover at the QB position these past few years, I can rank him higher. Let's say top 10 for purpose of this discussion. But it simply means that right now there are only a handful of consistently elite QB's. Then there are a lot of average QB's. As some of these young guns settle in and improve, he's going to slide down those rankings if he doesn't also improve.
I'm just not sure he's ever going to overcome some of his deficiencies enough to be significantly better than average.

Whyjerry said:

Oh boy. You Dak haters and your bias. Again, Dak threw for 4900 yards. 65 pct completion rate. 30 TDs vs 11 INTs. Rushed for 3 more. Among the top 5 in YPA and QBR.

Does that not sound like a good player?

Now before you get your panties twisted and pound on your key board - did I say he was as worth 40 million? Did I say he was in the Mahomes or Wilson category? I did not.

Don’t be a biased knucklehead.

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I’m into the W-L stats. You obviously think producing big stats against losing teams gets you to the SB. I don’t. I was a supporter of Dak before he started asking for outrageous money. Please refrain from name calling or I won’t reply.

I am wondering how Dak fares against the top 10 defenses when he hasn't flossed or skipped having a smoothie before game time...

George said:

I’m into the W-L stats. You obviously think producing big stats against losing teams gets you to the SB. I don’t. I was a supporter of Dak before he started asking for outrageous money. Please refrain from name calling or I won’t reply.

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You won’t reply? Say it isn’t so!

Sorry to hurt your feelings.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

names...give us names, otherwise you are playing madden NFL....with all these made up trades in a fantasy game....real world doesn't work the same

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Easy... if you are going to waste it... Might as well have grabbed Burrow, Tagovailoa or Herbert at that point, you have an offense setup like Prescott had. Dallas is about the most rookie friendly offense this year you could throw a drafted QB into.
Weapons everywhere, and a line that can protect him.

zerofill said:

Easy... if you are going to waste it... Might as well have grabbed Burrow, Tagovailoa or Herbert at that point, you have an offense setup like Prescott had. Dallas is about the most rookie friendly offense this year you could throw a drafted QB into.
Weapons everywhere, and a line that can protect him.

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so perhaps similar to 2016, when he went 13-3.....lost a heart breaker in the playoffs to a future HOFer, because the defense couldn't make a single stop.....so what gives?

btw, what would we have traded up to get those guys? then not have ceedee lamb which is one of the guys you referring to, or get riggs and then next year not have picks to add more talent. then the team wouldn't be as talented as you are saying....we spent those draft capitals to add talent to the team....

also, I am not high on Herbert, he has question marks. I really don't care much for Tua. never did. I think he is another Mariotta in the making. he was SURRONDED by talent in alabam. the offensive players coming out of that school is out of this world. including this year. so lets not assume Tua is a great QB, given you are accusing Dak of having a talented team around him that anyone could succeed.

the only guy I like and its pretty close to sure thing, is Burrow and it would cost more than an arm and a leg to get to #1 over all. and is Burrow a one year wonder? Turbisky had a great senior year in college too and was drafted based on that one year performance.....we know how that turned out.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

so perhaps similar to 2016, when he went 13-3.....lost a heart breaker in the playoffs to a future HOFer, because the defense couldn't make a single stop.....so what gives?

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Yeah, what the meaning is.... is that we would be no worse off, and we may be better...

zerofill said:

Yeah, what the meaning is.... is that we would be no worse off, and we may be better...

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better than 13-3? LOL...yeah, sure

lets not forget that in that case, there would be no CeeDeelamb or riggs or perhaps couple of other players we drafted and no draft picks next year....you can't just buy draft picks

WillieBeamen said:

They ALL sucked in close games


Dak AND the Coaching

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cannot disagree

Yup, a 5 game sample means a lot. This is less than 1/3 of a one season. I wonder why Dan didn't do it for their career?

The Fonz said:

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very true. if dak returns for big money , the scrutiny around him will be enormous. Whenever the team struggles with him , the fans will be calling for Dalton . Dak won't have the usual cushion hiding behind Jason Garrett's bad coaching , or lack of receivers or playmakers around him. Don't forget all the boos and criticism of jason last year after every lost. Dak does not have that, nor is he just making 2 million . Plus, dalton is on the sidelines this time.

basel90 said:

very true. if dak returns for big money , the scrutiny around him will be enormous. Whenever the team struggles with him , the fans will be calling for Dalton . Dak won't have the usual cushion hiding behind Jason Garrett's bad coaching , or lack of receivers or playmakers around him. Don't forget all the boos and criticism of jason last year after every lost. Dak does not have that, nor is he just making 2 million . Plus, dalton is on the sidelines this time.

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I think Dak does not have the thick skin to stand that

The Fonz said:

I think Dak does not have the thick skin to stand that

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Dak and his crushes have simply run out of excuses this coming year.
It's now or never for Dak and ya he really is terrible under pressure and with Dalton on the sidelines and the dish of the Tag I expect him to fold big time under the pressure.