Zeke Among Best RB Career Starts after 4 Years

Cowboysheelsreds053 · May 12, 2020

Oh Lord, this will not be good.

DFWJC · May 12, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
And Jamal Lewis pushes Zeke out of the top 10 . I think at this point that's the list. Also it appears that LT was by far the biggest grinder, and none of the backs actually played in all 64 possible games.

http://pfref.com/tiny/ywz43

E. Dickerson (6968)
E Campbell (6457)
T Davis (6148)
C Portis (5930)
L. Thomlinson (5899)
A Peterson (5782)
J Lewis (5763)
E Smith (5699)
B Sanders (5674)
C. Johnson (5665)
E. Elliott (5405)

Barring injury or work stoppage, if we run this for first 5 years at this time next year, he'll move ahead of some of these guys (like T Davis) who started to drop off....though most didn't drop off until after 5-6 years.

QuincyCarterEra · May 12, 2020

Zeke is durable. Yay?

blueblood70 · May 12, 2020

glimmerman said:
And think he missed some games for suspension.

easy 200-350 yards he would have had

BAT · May 12, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
The man has carried us since 2016....shame he is all alone.

Only 2 QBs have over 15,000 yards and 40 wins in their first 4 seasons.

Marino and Dak.

blueblood70 · May 12, 2020

Chuck 54 said:
Love Zeke, but he is NOT worth that contract, and I won’t be surprised if he never finishes it as a Cowboy.
So we have a great RB behind a great OL, and he was given the ball as much or more than any other coach would have given it to him because Garrett/Linehan were devoted to the run game. And where did that get us? Blame whomever you want, but if you have the best RB making the highest salary in the history of the NFL, leading the league in rushing, and you still win nothing, maybe you put that money in the wrong spot.

ES is laughing at that notion and most pf those guys at the top of the list had coaches who believed in the run game and got the ball a lot. Ironic how that happens.. ES was volume back, period.. his Yearly and career average are identical to Zeke,they are actually on pace 4 years into their careers..no ifs and Butts, reality, Zekes a great back, was im Hs college, and now the NFL,,Hes gets the ball a lot because he can handle it..

ES had a garbage line huh? a coach who didnt believe in the run game?

irishline · May 12, 2020

BAT said:
Only 2 QBs have over 15,000 yards and 40 wins in their first 4 seasons.

Marino and Dak.

You must mean first 4 seasons and not first 4 as a starter because if you make it first 4 as a starting QB that list more than doubles.

No slam on anyone of course, just pointing out that others have done it that may have not been a starter their first year or so.

Oh and are we back on the win is a QB stat and not a team stat again? I can't keep up anymore. Changes by thread sometimes (and occasionally within them).

pete026 · May 12, 2020

Jim Brown - 5,055 over 48 games which is 2nd on list based on per game average.

DFWJC · May 12, 2020

irishline said:
You must mean first 4 seasons and not first 4 as a starter because if you make it first 4 as a starting QB that list more than doubles.

No slam on anyone of course, just pointing out that others have done it that may have not been a starter their first year or so.

Oh and are we back on the win is a QB stat and not a team stat again? I can't keep up anymore. Changes by topic sometimes.

Yeah, if take first 64 starts.
Wins is not a team stat anyway.
What it does say is that Dak started right away and has not missed games from injury. Most rookie QBs either don't start right away or if they do, they land on a crap team who drafted early. But even those guys might miss some games.
Have to give Dak credit there.

but this thread i about RBs anyway

DFWJC · May 12, 2020

pete026 said:
Jim Brown - 5,055 over 48 games which is 2nd on list based on per game average.

Absolutely.
That's not what the list is though. But it was impressive enough that I mentioned him in the oP and that he only played 12 game seasons.
He was the man

BAT · May 12, 2020

irishline said:
You must mean first 4 seasons and not first 4 as a starter because if you make it first 4 as a starting QB that list more than doubles.

No slam on anyone of course, just pointing out that others have done it that may have not been a starter their first year or so.

Oh and are we back on the win is a QB stat and not a team stat again? I can't keep up anymore. Changes by topic sometimes.

Lot of HOF/Pro Bowl quarterbacks started from day 1, season 1:

John Elway
Troy Aikman
Peyton Manning
Russell Wilson
Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Matt Stafford
Andy Dalton
Sam Bradford
Robert Griffith III
Jameis Winston
Derek Carr

Maxmadden · May 12, 2020

blueblood70 said:
ES is laughing at that notion and most pf those guys at the top of the list had coaches who believed in the run game and got the ball a lot. Ironic how that happens.. ES was volume back, period.. his Yearly and career average are identical to Zeke,they are actually on pace 4 years into their careers..no ifs and Butts, reality, Zekes a great back, was im Hs college, and now the NFL,,Hes gets the ball a lot because he can handle it..

ES had a garbage line huh? a coach who didnt believe in the run game?

Remind me again of the first round draft picks ES ran behind?

buybuydandavis · May 12, 2020

DFWJC said:
More trivia for Zoners
Zeke Elliott is holding his own so far among some of the NFL RB greats.

Let me know if anyone else is above him, but from what I can tell he has the 7th best all-time start to an NFL career after 4 years (rushing yards)

E. Dickerson (6968)

L. Thomlinson (5899)

A Peterson (5782)

E Smith (5699)

B Sanders (5674)

C. Johnson (5665)

E. Elliott (5405)

Ahead of Payton, Simpson, Faulk, Allen, Dorsett, Bettis, James, Martin, Anderson, Brown (due to 2 gm seasons only), etc

Not bad. He's built to last a while too. Knock on wood

I don't think that Zeke will have the longevity of those guys. Already looks noticeably slower than his rookie year. YPC going down, longest play from scrimmage going down. By eyeball and numbers, his play has already slid.

But to be fair to Zeke, w/o his suspension he'd be 3rd or 4th.

Jumbo075 · May 12, 2020

DFWJC said:
More trivia for Zoners
Zeke Elliott is holding his own so far among some of the NFL RB greats.

Let me know if anyone else is above him, but from what I can tell he has the 7th best all-time start to an NFL career after 4 years (rushing yards)

E. Dickerson (6968)

L. Thomlinson (5899)

A Peterson (5782)

E Smith (5699)

B Sanders (5674)

C. Johnson (5665)

E. Elliott (5405)

Ahead of Payton, Simpson, Faulk, Allen, Dorsett, Bettis, James, Martin, Anderson, Brown (due to 2 gm seasons only), etc

Not bad. He's built to last a while too. Knock on wood

Zeke was held out of 2 games entering the playoffs in 2016 & 2018, and suspended for 6 games in 2017. That means he started 56 games, and averaged 96.5 ypg in those games. If he played in all 16 games per season for a total of 64 games, he would have accumulated an estimated 6176 yards, 2nd only to Eric Dickerson. Truth be told, Elliott has been held back by coaching and the NFL's bogus disciplinary system.

DFWJC · May 12, 2020

Jumbo075 said:
Zeke was held out of 2 games entering the playoffs in 2016 & 2018, and suspended for 6 games in 2017. That means he started 56 games, and averaged 96.5 ypg in those games. If he played in all 16 games per season for a total of 64 games, he would have accumulated an estimated 6176 yards, 2nd only to Eric Dickerson. Truth be told, Elliott has been held back by coaching and the NFL's bogus disciplinary system.

Most or all of those other backs missed games too. But I hear you--especially regarding the suspension
Btw, we updated the list.
He is 11th now.

ChuckA1 · May 12, 2020

Certainly Walter Payton is on that list?

DFWJC · May 12, 2020

ChuckA1 said:
Certainly Walter Payton is on that list?

He comes in at 5316
So right behind Zeke
Then after year 5, Payton zoomed up to 6926...big 5th year

A bunch of longer-term greats aren't on there yet
Payton, Simpson, Faulk, James, Allen, Bettis, Martin, Dorsett....

Verdict · May 12, 2020

DFWJC said:
More trivia for Zoners
Zeke Elliott is holding his own so far among some of the NFL RB greats.

Let me know if anyone else is above him, but from what I can tell he has the 7th best all-time start to an NFL career after 4 years (rushing yards)

E. Dickerson (6968)

L. Thomlinson (5899)

A Peterson (5782)

E Smith (5699)

B Sanders (5674)

C. Johnson (5665)

E. Elliott (5405)

Ahead of Payton, Simpson, Faulk, Allen, Dorsett, Bettis, James, Martin, Anderson, Brown (due to 2 gm seasons only), etc

Not bad. He's built to last a while too. Knock on wood

Just think where he would be without Goodell’s bogus suspension.

ChuckA1 · May 12, 2020

DFWJC said:
He comes in at 5316
So right behind Zeke
Then after year 5, Payton zoomed up to 6926...big 5th year

A bunch of longer-term greats aren't on there yet
Payton, Simpson, Faulk, James, Allen, Bettis, Martin, Dorsett....

So that's three Cowboys in the top 20. That's pretty darn good!

Javier · May 13, 2020

Zeke is a beast, easily our best player.

I hope Big Mike involve Zeke more in the passing game

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