Ranking Top 5 All time Cowboys players (per position)

Captain-Crash · May 12, 2020

1.Cliff Harris

Diehardblues · May 12, 2020

kskboys said:
It was more than 4. When Meredith first started, he was splitting time w/ LeBaron.

For his first 6 years, he had a crapp team around him.

Initially yes, an expansion team as he begun sharing starting time in 1962 with LeBaron and why he was so beat up and big part of why retired early. His last 2 years had a pretty good team in our first NFL title games.

He was arguably the greatest pure passer in Cowboys history. He was NFL player of the year in 1966 which is equivalent to MVP now.

And 1st Cowboy QB enshrined in Ring of Honor. At the very least I’d put Dandy at #3 in Cowboys history. Not sure how you’d place any of the rest in front of him?

Not for you Big K but for all of these others who I’ll give the benefit of the doubt unknowingly omitted him.

Diehardblues · May 12, 2020

StarBoyz83 said:
I dunno much about that time. I just saw he started 4 4 years. Mustve been why because he was splitting time

Did you also ignore that besides Roger and Troy only other QB in Ring of Honor.

And only Cowboy QB to ever be named NFL player of the year which is equivalent to MVP now.

He was two last second scores in NFL title games from arguably the greatest NFL team ever( 60’s Packers ) in going to the first two Super Bowls.

If so, Dandy Don might have been considered the greatest Cowboy QB of all time. He certainly had the talent and big arm.

Diehardblues · May 12, 2020

Another Cowboy QB I’d list above some mentioned in this thread is Craig Morton. He only started 3 years taking us to our first Super Bowl.

And he is first NFL QB to start for two different teams in a Super Bowl . Dallas (1970) and Denver (1977). Morton was a 1st round pick in 1965 out of Cal, a team that never had a winning season, going on to the longest career ( 18 years) of any drafted QB in Cowboys history. And if not for a kid from Navy probably would have won a Super Bowl here.

Keithfansince5 · May 12, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:
Spot on. Here's my TE's.
Witten
Novacek
Dupree
Cosbie
Ditka

Agreed.

CowboyRoy · May 12, 2020

CooterBrown said:
Barry Switzer created the wishbone???? I have no idea where you came up with that. The wishbone is a variation of the old "T" formation. It was brought to the major college level by Emory Bellard when he became offensive coordinator for the University of Texas. After Texas won 30 games in a row with the wishbone, Oklahoma adopted it.

Barry Switzer was a good recruiter, but not a good coach. Moose Johnston said it best about Switzer as the head coach, "We won that last Superbowl despite the coaching, not because of it."

There is a book called "Bootleggers Boy". And yah, he created the wishbone AND was the first coach to start really incorporating blacks onto his college football team. Good read.

kskboys · May 12, 2020

DFWJC said:
I don't really care.
But think all three are kind of in the same pack.
jmo

Not even close. If you don't care, then why are you evaluating?

Meredith is in the same pack as Aikman/Staubach. White and Romo are not even in the same conversation as Meredith.

DFWJC · May 12, 2020

kskboys said:
Not even close. If you don't care, then why are you evaluating?

Meredith is in the same pack as Aikman/Staubach. White and Romo are not even in the same conversation as Meredith.

It's an opinion.
I value mine a lot, so there's that.

But no, I really don't care how you rate them.
Obviously, you like Merideth more than both White and Romo.
I'm guessing you are in the minority here on that one, and that shouldn't bother you either.
Your opinion

Imo, Dandy Don was very good. Nice arm but very inaccurate. Lots of picks and an absurdly low completion rate. I mean, we are talking in the 40s much of the time. Wildly erratic.
But hard not to love the guy anyway.

kskboys · May 13, 2020

DFWJC said:
It's an opinion.
I value mine a lot, so there's that.

But no, I really don't care how you rate them.
Obviously, you like Merideth more than both White and Romo.
I'm guessing you are in the minority here on that one, and that shouldn't bother you either.
Your opinion

Imo, Dandy Don was very good. Nice arm but very inaccurate. Lots of picks and an absurdly low completion rate. I mean, we are talking in the 40s much of the time. Wildly erratic.
But hard not to love the guy anyway.

I'd say that you're most likely in the minority on this one. Obvious recency bias.

CouchCoach · May 13, 2020

quickccc said:
It's a month earlier than i usually post this year but it's usual post draft and pre-camp time - which means its usually the most boring stretch waiting for NFL football,
..so here's my yearly Top 5 All Time Cowboys List - per position.
How does it compares to yours ?

Quarterbacks
1 Roger Staubach
2 Troy Aikman
3 Tony Romo
4 Dak Prescott
5 Danny white

Running Backs
1 Emmitt Smith
2 Tony Dorsett
3 Zeke Elliott
4 Demarco Murray
5 Hershel Walker

Fullbacks
Daryl moose Johnston
Ron Springs
Walt Garrison
Robert newhouse
Don Perkins

Wide Receivers
Michael irvin
bob hayes
terrell owens
Drew pearson
Dez Bryant

Tight Ends
1 jason witten
2 jay novacek
3 doug cosbie
4 Billy joe Dupree
5 franke Clarke

Offensive Tackles
Rayfield wright
Erik Williams
Tyron smith
Mark tuinei
Pat Donovan

Offensive Guards
Larry Allen
Zack martin
Nate newton
Herb scott
John Niland

Center:
Mark stepnoski
Travis Fredrick
Ray donaldson
Andre gurode
John Fitzgerald

Defensive Ends:
Charles Haley
Harvey martin
Ed jones
Jim jeffcoat
Demarcus Law

Defensive Tackle :
Bob lilly
Randy white
Jay Ratliff
La Roi Glover
Leon Lett

Middle Linebacker:
Lee roy Jordan
Sean lee
Chuck howley
Ken Norton jr.
Bob Brueing

Outside Linebacker:
Demarcus ware
Thomas Henderson
Dexter Coakley
Darrin smith
Randall Godfrey

Cornerbacks:
Deion sanders
Mel renfro
Everson walls
Terrence Newman
Cornell Green

Safeties
Darren woodson
Cliff Harris
Roy Williams
Brock Marion
Charlie waters

Best Kickers:
Dan bailey
Chris Bonoi
Rafael Septien
Richie Cunningham
Tony Fritsch

Punters:
Matt McBriar
Toby Gowin
Chris Jones
John jett
Mike Saxon

Best Returners
Bob Hayes
Deion Sanders
Mel Renfro
Reggie Swinton
Kevin Williams

Best head coaches
Tom Landry
Jimmie Johnson
Bill Parcells
Jason Garrett
Barry Switzer

Lot of thought and time went into that but I would have some differences there.

QB: Staubach, Meredith, Aikman, White, Romo. Meredith, none of those other QB's dealt with building an expansion team back when that was the most difficult challenge in all sports. He lifted the talent better than any Cowboys QB I ever watched.

RB: Dorsett, Smith, Walker, Hill, Elliott.

WR: Alworth, Hayes, Irvin, Owens, Pearson. Not considering just his time with the Cowboys but his career.

TE: Ditka, Novacek, Witten, Dupree, Cosbie. Same as Alworth.

DT: Ratliff wouldn't make the list.

HC: I would take Garrett off, bump Switzer and put Gailey at 5.

jujoboys · May 13, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Dak is NOT better than Danny White

Yes, he is.

Danny White threw for 155 TDs and 132 Ints in his career. He had years where he threw 25 interceptions and 23 interceptions. The year (1980) he threw 25 interceptions he was on a team that was loaded and coached by Tom Landry. Danny White gets the benefit and credit for making those NFC Championship games but people forget the excellent coaching and players surrounding him. Dak has been stuck with Garrett. In the 8 years that Danny White started he averaged 19 TDs and 15 Ints a year. In the playoffs he had 15 TD passes and 16 INTs. He had 4 games in the playoffs where he had 3 or more interceptions.

Meanwhile, Dak has 97 TDs and 36 INTs for his career. He averages 26 TDs and 9 ints a year. Give him a coach like Landry and players around him that were used to winning and had a winning culture then you may even get better results than that. That doesn't even factor in the rushing TD comparison.

Danny White was a better punter. I will give him that.

WillieBeamen · May 13, 2020

jujoboys said:
Yes, he is.

Danny White threw for 155 TDs and 132 Ints in his career. He had years where he threw 25 interceptions and 23 interceptions. The year (1980) he threw 25 interceptions he was on a team that was loaded and coached by Tom Landry. Danny White gets the benefit and credit for making those NFC Championship games but people forget the excellent coaching and players surrounding him. Dak has been stuck with Garrett. In the 8 years that Danny White started he averaged 19 TDs and 15 Ints a year. In the playoffs he had 15 TD passes and 16 INTs. He had 4 games in the playoffs where he had 3 or more interceptions.

Meanwhile, Dak has 97 TDs and 36 INTs for his career. He averages 26 TDs and 9 ints a year. Give him a coach like Landry and players around him that were used to winning and had a winning culture then you may even get better results than that. That doesn't even factor in the rushing TD comparison.

Danny White was a better punter. I will give him that.

Imagine comparing TDs and INTs to players from different eras :laugh:

You have to compare QBs stats against their era..

Danny White had multiple top 5 passing seasons, Dak has 1

jujoboys · May 13, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Imagine comparing TDs and INTs to players from different eras

You have to compare QBs stats against their era..

Danny White had multiple top 5 passing seasons, Dak has 1

Danny White was the biggest choker I think I have witnessed. Name me something that he didn’t have at his disposal. He had one of the greatest coaches of all time. He had a team that was fresh off going to and winning Superbowls. Dak had Garrett for his First 4 years. Also., White had the luxury of sitting and learning from the great Roger Staubach. I will take Dak over Danny White any day of the week. Gil Brandt has Dallas QBs ranked as Staubach, Aikman, Prescott, White, and Romo. Brandt is far more knowledgeable than you and I. Brandt was in the building with Staubach, Meredith, and White. He was the the guy who scouted and brought those guys on. If he says Dak is better than White, Romo, and Meredith than I will side with him. Dak has done more in his first 4 years than any of them. Romo rode the bench for his first 2 1/2 years and White rode the bench for his first 4 years.

DFWJC · May 13, 2020

jujoboys said:
Yes, he is.

Danny White threw for 155 TDs and 132 Ints in his career. He had years where he threw 25 interceptions and 23 interceptions. The year (1980) he threw 25 interceptions he was on a team that was loaded and coached by Tom Landry. Danny White gets the benefit and credit for making those NFC Championship games but people forget the excellent coaching and players surrounding him. Dak has been stuck with Garrett. In the 8 years that Danny White started he averaged 19 TDs and 15 Ints a year. In the playoffs he had 15 TD passes and 16 INTs. He had 4 games in the playoffs where he had 3 or more interceptions.

Meanwhile, Dak has 97 TDs and 36 INTs for his career. He averages 26 TDs and 9 ints a year. Give him a coach like Landry and players around him that were used to winning and had a winning culture then you may even get better results than that. That doesn't even factor in the rushing TD comparison.

Danny White was a better punter. I will give him that.

fwiw
Entirely different era

Light years easier now

But really, both players are in that top 7 group of all-time Cowboy QBs, so people can debate within that group

CooterBrown · May 13, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
There is a book called "Bootleggers Boy". And yah, he created the wishbone AND was the first coach to start really incorporating blacks onto his college football team. Good read.

Nah, he didn't. Oklahoma, where he was assistant-coaching in 1968 did not run the wishbone. The University of Texas did. I applaud him for recruiting black athletes in a time when few coaches would, and acknowledge that he was a very successful coach, but he did not create the wishbone.
Oh, "Bootleggers Boy" was written by Barry Switzer. I haven't read it, so I don't know what he claimed, but the history of the wishbone offense is easy to find on the internet, and it did not begin with Barry Switzer.

CCBoy · May 13, 2020

CooterBrown said:
Nah, he didn't. Oklahoma, where he was assistant-coaching in 1968 did not run the wishbone. The University of Texas did. I applaud him for recruiting black athletes in a time when few coaches would, and acknowledge that he was a very successful coach, but he did not create the wishbone.
Oh, "Bootleggers Boy" was written by Barry Switzer. I haven't read it, so I don't know what he claimed, but the history of the wishbone offense is easy to find on the internet, and it did not begin with Barry Switzer.

Nice post, Cooter...and Barry had a winning record both in college and in the NFL...

Seen any hogs lately?

CooterBrown · May 13, 2020

CCBoy said:
Nice post, Cooter...and Barry had a winning record both in college and in the NFL...

Seen any hogs lately?

Just a dead one by the road. The ranch covers 27 sections and, so far, we are hog-free.

eromeopolk · May 14, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Lot of thought and time went into that but I would have some differences there.

QB: Staubach, Meredith, Aikman, White, Romo. Meredith, none of those other QB's dealt with building an expansion team back when that was the most difficult challenge in all sports. He lifted the talent better than any Cowboys QB I ever watched.

RB: Dorsett, Smith, Walker, Hill, Elliott.

WR: Alworth, Hayes, Irvin, Owens, Pearson. Not considering just his time with the Cowboys but his career.

TE: Ditka, Novacek, Witten, Dupree, Cosbie. Same as Alworth.

DT: Ratliff wouldn't make the list.

HC: I would take Garrett off, bump Switzer and put Gailey at 5.

I don't agree with your ranking of QBs. But I agree that Meredith deserves a spot or consideration. Meredith was winner and got the Cowboys to championship games. I do not get why someone would rank Romo in the top 5 with only 1 playoff win and losing 5 NFC East/Playoff game clinging games, and 3 playoff loses. I would replace Dak on my list with Meredith but not allowed to edit. Romo is not in my top 7. Because that would included Craig Morton before Romo.

No on Bambi. He was a Charger, Ditka was Bear, so neither deserve a Cowboys no.1 ranking. Both only played about 2 years with the Cowboys.

plasticman · May 14, 2020

quickccc said:
Who is Bill Perkins ?

Don's twin brother. I'll bet you didn't know that Don kind of cheated a little and when he didn't feel like getting up early on Sundays, his brother Bill would take his place.

Look, this is kind of classified information, so don't share it with anybody else, okay?

Shane612 · May 14, 2020

quickccc said:
It's a month earlier than i usually post this year but it's usual post draft and pre-camp time - which means its usually the most boring stretch waiting for NFL football,
..so here's my yearly Top 5 All Time Cowboys List - per position.
How does it compares to yours ?

Quarterbacks
1 Roger Staubach
2 Troy Aikman
3 Tony Romo
4 Dak Prescott
5 Danny white

Running Backs
1 Emmitt Smith
2 Tony Dorsett
3 Zeke Elliott
4 Demarco Murray
5 Hershel Walker

Fullbacks
Daryl moose Johnston
Ron Springs
Walt Garrison
Robert newhouse
Don Perkins

Wide Receivers
Michael irvin
bob hayes
terrell owens
Drew pearson
Dez Bryant

Tight Ends
1 jason witten
2 jay novacek
3 doug cosbie
4 Billy joe Dupree
5 franke Clarke

Offensive Tackles
Rayfield wright
Erik Williams
Tyron smith
Mark tuinei
Pat Donovan

Offensive Guards
Larry Allen
Zack martin
Nate newton
Herb scott
John Niland

Center:
Mark stepnoski
Travis Fredrick
Ray donaldson
Andre gurode
John Fitzgerald

Defensive Ends:
Charles Haley
Harvey martin
Ed jones
Jim jeffcoat
Demarcus Law

Defensive Tackle :
Bob lilly
Randy white
Jay Ratliff
La Roi Glover
Leon Lett

Middle Linebacker:
Lee roy Jordan
Sean lee
Chuck howley
Ken Norton jr.
Bob Brueing

Outside Linebacker:
Demarcus ware
Thomas Henderson
Dexter Coakley
Darrin smith
Randall Godfrey

Cornerbacks:
Deion sanders
Mel renfro
Everson walls
Terrence Newman
Cornell Green

Safeties
Darren woodson
Cliff Harris
Roy Williams
Brock Marion
Charlie waters

Best Kickers:
Dan bailey
Chris Bonoi
Rafael Septien
Richie Cunningham
Tony Fritsch

Punters:
Matt McBriar
Toby Gowin
Chris Jones
John jett
Mike Saxon

Best Returners
Bob Hayes
Deion Sanders
Mel Renfro
Reggie Swinton
Kevin Williams

Best head coaches
Tom Landry
Jimmie Johnson
Bill Parcells
Jason Garrett
Barry Switzer

H. Walker is better than Z. Elliot.

Ranking Top 5 All time Cowboys players (per position)

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