Week 16 Loss at Eagles May Turn Out To Be Incredibly Fortuitous

817Gill

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I didn’t have high hopes for a super bowl run myself but wouldn’t this off season have felt a lot better if we had won the division and had a playoff game?

As it is, seemingly half of our fans here in CowboyZone seem to hate the team and I wonder if maybe it would only be a third if we had beat the Eagles lol

I’m kinda new so maybe this board is always like that.

/shrug
Haha I feel it for me getting Ceedee and keeping him from Philly and firing Garrett definitely were more than better than appearing in the playoffs. Sometimes things just need to end and thankfully it finally happened. If a playoff berth is the sacrifice for what was needed to be done to elevate to the next level then so be it.
 

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I didn’t have high hopes for a super bowl run myself but wouldn’t this off season have felt a lot better if we had won the division and had a playoff game?

As it is, seemingly half of our fans here in CowboyZone seem to hate the team and I wonder if maybe it would only be a third if we had beat the Eagles lol

I’m kinda new so maybe this board is always like that.

/shrug

Would it have 'felt better' having yet another one and done playoff appearance and several more years of Garrett's incompetence weighing down the franchise? That sound good to you?
 

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Funny thing about winning the draft, you won't know for years to come if you did. You didn't need a receiver, but lamb could eventually replace gallup and be an upgrade down the line. As an eagles fan I was hoping he'd fall to us but I don't worry he didn't. I wanted the eagles to take the saints trade for ricky williams and would of been happy with mcnabb, culpepper, mcknown or akili smith at the 5th pick. Mcnabb turned out to be the best of the group but I do think we could of got him at 5, but taking him at 2 I have no shame on it.
Yeah it’s far too early to judge a draft right after it’s happened. Just first day impressions is all.
 

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Would it have 'felt better' having yet another one and done playoff appearance and several more years of Garrett's incompetence weighing down the franchise? That sound good to you?
Hindsight is 20/20.

I’m certainly happy that McCaethy is our head coach. I won’t deny that.

All I’ve said here is that I was rooting for us to win the Eagles game.

Were you rooting for us to lose?
 

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Hindsight is 20/20.

I’m certainly happy that McCaethy is our head coach. I won’t deny that.

All I’ve said here is that I was rooting for us to win the Eagles game.

Were you rooting for us to lose?

Yes. And I predicted weeks before that they would. And Garrett and Co didn't let me down. It was easy to see that the Cowboys of 2019 couldn't be anything close to a good team. That was foresight.

I look at the big picture and having a competent head coach and staff as being far more important that a faux winning record or a token playoff appearance where you're outcoached and bounced out.
 

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The Cowboys under Garrett was just blah. No urgency, no motivation, no energy.

I’m hoping MM can light a fire and put these guys in positions to succeed. I’m ready to see a different energy this year.

The last against the Eagles was pathetic. No one seemed like they wanted it and with the season on the line. I was disgusted watching that crap fest.

to be fair, Dak was terrible in that game.
 

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There was talk about Callahan wanting revenge lol? I agree though. Commanders were not losing that game.

Yes, broaddus spent the whole week telling everyone how much callahan hated garrett and wanted to beat him to get him fired.
 

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they should have lost the week after and been picking at like 11
Wouldn't have mattered.
Only guy that went off the board we would have targeted was Kinlaw and we had medical concerns on him.
Other option was AJ Terrell which most thought was a massive reach. --tho with that last name I am sure he can ball

Intentionally losing in NFL simply doesn't work. Like Michael Jordan I bitterly hate tanking in all sports but it is least effective in football.
 

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It is what it is but I'll never glorify losing to the Eagles and missing the playoffs.

Draft position means very little as you can move around more than 1 loss worth of picks.
Eagles might have gotten CeeDee but they were still goofy in round 2 and had an aging roster, overpriced roster to contend with on top of an injury-prone starter.
 

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to be fair, Dak was terrible in that game.
Kinda like Romo in some of the win and you’re in games right? Common denominator is Garrett and his conservative and scared gameplans and clueless in-game decision making.
 

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Not according to Bob Sturm's inside sources.

It was far closer to Jerry finding an excuse to keep him than you think. And far, far, scarier.
I agree completely. If we beat Philly and lose in the Wild card round, NOBODY can say for sure, Jerry wouldn’t have found an excuse to keep his stepson for a couple more years. Jerry’s loyalty had no boundaries, or logic, when it came to Garrett.
 

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Here’s a list of all the pro’s and con’s of that loss:

Pros:
- Jason Garrett’s fate was sealed. ‘Nuff said.

- Winning that week would have prolonged the inevitable, this team and coaching staff had reached the end of the road. Losing 2 weeks later in the Wild Card or in the Divisional could have extended the Garrett tenure. Ew.

- Pick 17 in the 2020 draft. This is a sans Ceedee pro before I get to the obvious. Had we simply lost in the WC round like Philly, we would have been picking at 21 and them at 17. With 15ish real first round graded players every year, the chances at one of those players being available at 17 is high. Trading down or having a player fall in your lap both become very viable options in picks 16-18. At 21, you rarely get as lucky.

-That being said, Ceedee freakin Lamb. Imagine how we would feel if the Eagles got him? I’m glad we lost that game for this reason alone lol.

-This team was a wounded duck on its way down, winning this week would’ve been pointless as we certainly weren’t winning the Super Bowl.

-A culture of coaching ineptitude and a disorganized mess of responsibilities might have finally moved JJ to act like a normal owner. He’s already backed off as GM, and the leash he’s given Mike (a real HC btw) to go out and pick his own staff and impart his philosophy on the draft has been great. If he truly has learned, all the obstacles to deep playoff runs have theoretically been removed.

Cons:
-The way some players are judged after a year that was clearly one in which the coaching staff hit their limit, is severely lacking context. Especially since that week 16 game seems to be the favorite example.

-Never been one to care too much about pundits and fans, but the whole “8-8” Cowboys thing gets old especially when it’s been some time since we’ve been 8-8. How many guys on the roster now were here in ‘13? Now all of a sudden these are all 8-8 guys when the only common denominator between 8-8 and Dallas was Garrett? Gets annoying.

-Finally, acting like Philly is an annual SB lock because they beat us and made the playoffs is such a weird take. Don’t get me wrong they’ve definitely done more recently than us in terms of success, but this is getting laughable. I know they had injuries, but they were 5-7 coming off a loss to Miami. Everyone touts that they made some heroic late season comeback to make the playoffs when they literally beat two of the worst teams in the league and the lame duck Jason Garrett’s, followed by a Wentz injury and WC loss. Yet they are SB favorites by many again and some act like there is a huge gap between us both (Cowherd is the poster boy for this). I’ll take being the underdog but sheesh Philly hasn’t been a juggernaut since 2017 and wasn’t one before that. Solid team, solid FO, not a top SB pick.


In conclusion, that loss might have a huge impact on the future of this division. And to me, is just ahead of the Skins loss in October 2018 that netted us Amari Cooper. Losses that truly became wins.
Tempest in a teapot.

Philly beating us is not lucky nor fortuitous.

I think you have forgotten 2017 when they won their SB with a brilliance that schooled the league in how to be a team under deep controversy after losing Wentz.

2018 was a bad year for them and we won the Eastern Conference becuz not we were better. It was becuz they failed.

Then in 2019, we failed completely to beat them when they literally had no WRs.

We choked like dogs. Garrett choked, Dak choked.

So to me your thread is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

Those that know know you are sort of just churning old stuff to get a conversation going.

Any real insight to share.? Hope you do.

Fire away.

:angry:
 

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Not according to Bob Sturm's inside sources.

It was far closer to Jerry finding an excuse to keep him than you think. And far, far, scarier.

Had Mike McCarthy not "fallen into our lap" Jason would still be Cowboys head coach. Sturm's right on point.
 

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Had Mike McCarthy not "fallen into our lap" Jason would still be Cowboys head coach. Sturm's right on point.

Sadly, I think that's entirely accurate. I'm just glad we didn't have to find that out.
 
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