Booger says Zeke 1 in his book

DFWJC said:

McCaffery was the best back last year.
That dude did it all and had 600 more yards than 2nd place...not even close.

But it was one great year following a very good one.
He has to string together more than that.

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Henry’s play-off performance was HOF worthy... guy was an unstoppable force. It was like Klay’s game 6 against OKC a couple years back.

Agree, Henry was a beast last season, let's see this year if can keep it up. I think more teams will crowd the line and dare the QB to beat them by passing 40 times a game. If I am DC that is what I am doing the whole game against them.

Risen Star said:

I'm assuming Pollard's considered a WR in this discussion.

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Ranching said:

Pollard couldn't start in college!!! Stay on the Eagles board!

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You guys seem to always be going at it. Are y'all brother in laws?

Cowboyny said:

-You watch Barkley enough he tries to bounce almost every run to the outside. He is always looking to make the big play, which is why we see a lot of negative plays behind the line of scrimmage. He is more like a modern version of Barry Sanders. He just isn't a workhorse grinder, like Zeke is. Zeke has the ability to wear down defense late in games, he is an excellent closer. We didn't see much of that last season cause the team was playing many games from behind.

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You bring up some good points,
But its' not the workhorse types that strike the most fear in defenses - it's the quick strike break away runners such as Barkley, Sanders, Peterson, Thomplinson, Charles, Chris Johnson (prime) Faulk, Thurman, .... because you have to stay discipline and containment
the quick strikers can break games open in one swoop, even if you have earlier success containing them and all game long,

- Barkley is the more elusive and the better home run hitter of the two. He has unique stop-re-start foot quickness, whereas
Zeke is a one cut runner, Elliott isn't over elusive. hes' not gonna juke and make tacklers whiff in the open field the way Saquon does, and
he's not gonna make tacklers slip, slide and fall off like grease- oil,
Frankly in terms of speed, elusiveness, and a better pure athlete than Zeke, so Saquon has those elements in his favor.

- But head on,Zeke is the more punishing runner, especially in-between tackles runner, .and his angry, physicality places wear down punishment on tacklers. i've repeatedly heard testimonies from opposing defenders that have said how constantly taking on Zeke
can wear them down.

- He also is over Barkley when it comes to durability and blitz blocker. Barkley missed some portion of the season with a high ankle
sprain whereas Zeke has yet to miss a game per injury.

- Even when he is met head on at the line, he has such incredible physical power, especially in his lower body to push piles, but grinders methodically wear defense as the game goes on, and it's been methodical runners that have proven to be quite effective.
Emmitt, Bettis, Curtis Martin, Marshawn Lynch, Edgrin James, Natrone Means etc.

But when Zeke had the home run burst he came into NFL with in 2016, his combination of burst and power made him that much more
of a frightening player - that made him Adrian Peterson like in terms of a pure runner. ,..imo.

quickccc said:

You bring up some good points,
But its' not the workhorse types that strike the most fear in defenses - it's the quick strike break away runners such as Barkley, Sanders, Peterson, Thomplinson, Charles, Chris Johnson (prime) Faulk, Thurman, .... because you have to stay discipline and containment
the quick strikers can break games open in one swoop, even if you have earlier success containing them and all game long,

- Barkley is the more elusive and the better home run hitter of the two. He has unique stop-re-start foot quickness, whereas
Zeke is a one cut runner, Elliott isn't over elusive. hes' not gonna juke and make tacklers whiff in the open field the way Saquon does, and
he's not gonna make tacklers slip, slide and fall off like grease- oil,
Frankly in terms of speed, elusiveness, and a better pure athlete than Zeke, so Saquon has those elements in his favor.

- But head on,Zeke is the more punishing runner, especially in-between tackles runner, .and his angry, physicality places wear down punishment on tacklers. i've repeatedly heard testimonies from opposing defenders that have said how constantly taking on Zeke
can wear them down.

- He also is over Barkley when it comes to durability and blitz blocker. Barkley missed some portion of the season with a high ankle
sprain whereas Zeke has yet to miss a game per injury.

- Even when he is met head on at the line, he has such incredible physical power, especially in his lower body to push piles, but grinders methodically wear defense as the game goes on, and it's been methodical runners that have proven to be quite effective.
Emmitt, Bettis, Curtis Martin, Marshawn Lynch, Edgrin James, Natrone Means etc.

But when Zeke had the home run burst he came into NFL with in 2016, his combination of burst and power made him that much more
of a frightening player - that made him Adrian Peterson like in terms of a pure runner. ,..imo.

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-Zeke still is apart of opposing team's game plans. We hear this on almost a week to week basis, that Coaches say they must contain Zeke and force Dak to beat them. He has the ability to ware down opponents, Landon Collins stated a few months back, Zeke was the hardest running back to tackle in the entire league. He punishes you on every run and if you aren't ready, he will inflict damage. When you can play ahead late in games, this is such a weapon to make your opponent wave the white flag.

-You mention Zeke as a one cut runner, that is exactly what we hear about with zone blocking scheme. Zeke had his best season playing in this scheme, we should see more explosive plays coming from him.

-There just isn't a better blocking back then Zeke Elliot, this is why we haven't seen him become more of a factor in the passing game.

AGAIN...... Again smh. This board is really full of clowns. Where would yall be without analytics? Seriously. Players and former players are cluelesssssssssssss, zEkE CaNt BrEaK TaCkLeS

quickccc said:

You bring up some good points,
But its' not the workhorse types that strike the most fear in defenses - it's the quick strike break away runners such as Barkley, Sanders, Peterson, Thomplinson, Charles, Chris Johnson (prime) Faulk, Thurman, .... because you have to stay discipline and containment
the quick strikers can break games open in one swoop, even if you have earlier success containing them and all game long,

- Barkley is the more elusive and the better home run hitter of the two. He has unique stop-re-start foot quickness, whereas
Zeke is a one cut runner, Elliott isn't over elusive. hes' not gonna juke and make tacklers whiff in the open field the way Saquon does, and
he's not gonna make tacklers slip, slide and fall off like grease- oil,
Frankly in terms of speed, elusiveness, and a better pure athlete than Zeke, so Saquon has those elements in his favor.

- But head on,Zeke is the more punishing runner, especially in-between tackles runner, .and his angry, physicality places wear down punishment on tacklers. i've repeatedly heard testimonies from opposing defenders that have said how constantly taking on Zeke
can wear them down.

- He also is over Barkley when it comes to durability and blitz blocker. Barkley missed some portion of the season with a high ankle
sprain whereas Zeke has yet to miss a game per injury.

- Even when he is met head on at the line, he has such incredible physical power, especially in his lower body to push piles, but grinders methodically wear defense as the game goes on, and it's been methodical runners that have proven to be quite effective.
Emmitt, Bettis, Curtis Martin, Marshawn Lynch, Edgrin James, Natrone Means etc.

But when Zeke had the home run burst he came into NFL with in 2016, his combination of burst and power made him that much more
of a frightening player - that made him Adrian Peterson like in terms of a pure runner. ,..imo.

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AGREE

Cowboyny said:

-Zeke still is apart of opposing team's game plans. We hear this on almost a week to week basis, that Coaches say they must contain Zeke and force Dak to beat them. He has the ability to ware down opponents, Landon Collins stated a few months back, Zeke was the hardest running back to tackle in the entire league. He punishes you on every run and if you aren't ready, he will inflict damage. When you can play ahead late in games, this is such a weapon to make your opponent wave the white flag.

-You mention Zeke as a one cut runner, that is exactly what we hear about with zone blocking scheme. Zeke had his best season playing in this scheme, we should see more explosive plays coming from him.

-There just isn't a better blocking back then Zeke Elliot, this is why we haven't seen him become more of a factor in the passing game.

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AGREE

gimmesix said:

Barkley averaged 4.6 per carry on much fewer carries. Kamara averaged 4.7 on much fewer carries. Elliott averaged 4.5 and had 84 more carries than Barkley and 130 more than Kamara. Generally, the more carries you have, the more it negatively affects your average.

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TIL running backs are only judged on rushing yards.

Both those guys are much better receivers than Zeke.

I think it has to be Zeke or McCaffrey number 1. If you're basing it soley off 2019 here's how I would rank the top of the field. Interesting that only Henry and Cook made the playoffs.

1)McCaffrey
2)Elliott
3) Henry
4) Cook
5) Chubb
6) Barkley

Kingofholland said:

I think it has to be Zeke or McCaffrey number 1. If you're basing it soley off 2019 here's how I would rank the top of the field. Interesting that only Henry and Cook made the playoffs.

1)McCaffrey
2)Elliott
3) Henry
4) Cook
5) Chubb
6) Barkley

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Agree, has to have CM number one with what he did last year (loved him on my fantasy team). Cool with this.

BAT said:

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sprinkle some 'SPECT on dat homie..)

Maybe in 2016.

CouchCoach said:

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that Booger.

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My takeaway is you half at least half a dozen referring to the owner as "booger including the op:, Nice job my man.

Crazed Liotta Eyes said:

My takeaway is you half at least half a dozen referring to the owner as "booger including the op:, Nice job my man.

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um no the article was clear it was from

Booger McFarland

read much?

I refer to Jerry as Jerry or the Owner or Mr.jones..

blueblood70 said:

um no the article was clear it was from

Booger McFarland

read much?

I refer to Jerry as Jerry or the Owner or Mr.jones..

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Damn man...relax. I misinterpreted and wasn't attacking you.

blueblood70 said:

while #1 is arguable hes still atop flight elite back in many eyes exception some CZ haters..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...han-ezekiel-elliott/ar-BB16SfEM?ocid=msedgntp

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A very solid short yardage back that can catch some passes out of the backfield.

Cowboyny said:

-Zeke still is apart of opposing team's game plans. We hear this on almost a week to week basis, that Coaches say they must contain Zeke and force Dak to beat them. He has the ability to ware down opponents, Landon Collins stated a few months back, Zeke was the hardest running back to tackle in the entire league. He punishes you on every run and if you aren't ready, he will inflict damage. When you can play ahead late in games, this is such a weapon to make your opponent wave the white flag.

-You mention Zeke as a one cut runner, that is exactly what we hear about with zone blocking scheme. Zeke had his best season playing in this scheme, we should see more explosive plays coming from him.

-There just isn't a better blocking back then Zeke Elliot, this is why we haven't seen him become more of a factor in the passing game.

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Yes, Zeke still is a priority plan of opposing defenses - but he doesn't present various dangers and threats that he " used" to be as he
clearly did as a rookie in 2016.
Some of the top backs present different threats and dangers to the opposing defense in their own way - in according to their skill set.
You covered the power aspect of his game - now where is the speed fear factor of his game ?

- John Madden used to say it is TWO things that defenses fear the most: Speed and a Running QB

- Zeke had his best season in this scheme because it suit his ability to build acceleration and instantly gain splash plays and long runs - that's one of the bigger elements that made him special in college and what made him the 4th overall pick in 2016.
- Otherwise we could have taken CB Jalen Ramsey 4th overall and Derrick Henry in the 2nd round in 2016.

- Zeke's blitz- blocking is not the reason why he is not more of a factor in the pass game. Coaches are.
Marshall Faulk, Marcus Allen, Walter Payton, Roger Craig were helluva blitz blockers too ..but their respective teams also managed to best put
get their receiving skills into the best use as weapons.
Emmitt Smith was also a heckuva blitz-blocker too but of course he just did not have the speed and dynamics to threaten defenses any more than a safety valve, dump off guy.

- Zeke does not have top elusiveness and shiftness as some of the guys aforementioned but he " used " to have acceleration and burst to be
a dangerous factors on quick screen passes to get him into the open and quickly up field en to splash big plays
and he was used rarely on " wheel routes" up field with Linehan.

- But Neither Linehan - and most definitely no Kellen Moore- have been able to best utilize zeke's skills in the pass game on a regularly basis.
* In 2018, Linehan was trying to excessively use him a lot in dump off passes and safety valves, add that to the grind pounding carries with no help from backup RB in useless Rod Smith,..and the dude was physically exhausted and beaten up.
* In 2019, i just cannot recall either Zeke nor Pollard being properly utilized in pass game under Kellen Moore.

- We haven't had the proper coaches that knows how to best utilize to Zeke's potential in the pass game.
You have to design and scheme players in according to their skill set.
With a back that is a one cut guy, you don't want have a lot of having to stop & re-start, and have to out-juke such as one on one isolation like he has to coverage LBs -like he's Lance Dunbar, .. you want to use his forwarding momentum/acceleration up field or across the field, ..
quick flair and swing passes, his patented screen passes, wheel routes.
You always hear the say' that the better coaches know how to put their best players, in the best positions where they can best excel.

- The stretch run play designs in the zone run scheme can help Zeke ... if Zeke first helps himself.
i think Pollard who display the burst/acceleration that Zeke used to have, but i'd wondered (worried?) if Zeke will recaptured that.

Cowboyny said:

-Zeke still is apart of opposing team's game plans. We hear this on almost a week to week basis, that Coaches say they must contain Zeke and force Dak to beat them. He has the ability to ware down opponents, Landon Collins stated a few months back, Zeke was the hardest running back to tackle in the entire league. He punishes you on every run and if you aren't ready, he will inflict damage. When you can play ahead late in games, this is such a weapon to make your opponent wave the white flag.

-You mention Zeke as a one cut runner, that is exactly what we hear about with zone blocking scheme. Zeke had his best season playing in this scheme, we should see more explosive plays coming from him.

-There just isn't a better blocking back then Zeke Elliot, this is why we haven't seen him become more of a factor in the passing game.

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There were times where Columbo's man-power scheme was getting Zeke some push and openings for him to get thru,
but we flat just did not see that extra gear to pull away like we experienced from him as a rookie in 2016.

His first 2 years we saw Zeke take quick screens out of the backfield and take it to the house for long distance TDs ala Steelers/Niners
Why doesn't he no longer have that ability any more ?

Without an off season program, no time for trainers and coaches to evaluate and re-condition him up close, i'm concerned
that we still will not see the 2016-2017 Zeke.
And until i see differently from an insider source or zeke himself, i'll continue to elebrerate that the Garrett regime re-conditioned
and bulked up Zeke for more excessive touches and more of a grinder role.

i've heard several that tend to think it was his holdout Cabu cruise that caused him the loss of his breakaway ability but that
element was already missing in 2018,.. with only one carry over 40 yards (per Seattle reg season game?)