Review of our 53 man roster

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 6, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Many fa's in our defensive backfield next off-season. We could see a lot of attention in that area next yr.

We could. I think we are good with Diggs. I wonder do they think Robinson is a corner or safety.

Cowboyny · Sep 6, 2020

rocyaice said:
We could. I think we are good with Diggs. I wonder do they think Robinson is a corner or safety.

I think Robinson is playing more safety this season due to the numbers at the position, easier way to see the field as a safety.

gimmesix · Sep 6, 2020

Hawkeye0202 said:
Can someone, anyone (lol) tell me why Connor Williams can't move RT a few games for Collins and McGovern play G? This way Erving can stay at swing. Am I missing something?

Perhaps because he's never played it before. He's played left tackle and left guard. The footwork is completely different on the right side. It took Collins two seasons to adjust.

gimmesix · Sep 6, 2020

ClappingCarrot said:
Linebacker has me seriously concerned.

McCarthy isn't an idiot, and I'm sure he has a plan and we don't know it yet, but it doesn't make it any less maddening.

I believe we're going to play two linebackers almost exclusively. We'll either be in nickel or we'll be in a five-man front (essentially) with a DE playing stand-up LB.

ClappingCarrot · Sep 6, 2020

gimmesix said:
I believe we're going to play two linebackers almost exclusively. We'll either be in nickel or we'll be in a five-man front (essentially) with a DE playing stand-up LB.

I figured as much, but we only have 3 healthy ones on the roster and two have had major injuries previously.

I feel like we need one more.

DanA · Sep 6, 2020

ClappingCarrot said:
I figured as much, but we only have 3 healthy ones on the roster and two have had major injuries previously.

I feel like we need one more.

We can dress Bernard twice from the practice squad before elevating him which helps but I agree we need one more.

quickccc · Sep 6, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Many fa's in our defensive backfield next off-season. We could see a lot of attention in that area next yr.

we've already started the process with Diggs, Robinson
Diggs simply has to be at least the 3rd CB, skill set too good to be 4th string
i'm really for starting Diggs Game 1

- it's key to watch how coaches decide to implement Robison's role and snaps this season.
Will he be a 3rd safety by season's end this year ?
Or will he be primarily special teams this year , with the really big preparation set for 2021 -especially with vets like Xavier, Carr, Worley set
to be free agents next offseason.

- Jerry was stated comments that the team is seeing Robinson as a safety, and more so that's where i think he will end up.
Though i like the idea of getting drafting a well regarded safety prospect.. than trying to convert a guy into a safety (ala by byron jones)

ChronicCowboy · Sep 6, 2020

The offense should be impressive but I’m a bit concerned about the line. Dak absolutely has to have solid pass protection or he could struggle.

Defensively, I’m hoping we can tread water until some of the new guys gel. This is a completely revamped unit and looks way too thin at LB and DB. I think we’re going to give up some points early in the season.

xwalker · Sep 6, 2020

ClappingCarrot said:
I figured as much, but we only have 3 healthy ones on the roster and two have had major injuries previously.

I feel like we need one more.

ClappingCarrot · Sep 6, 2020

xwalker said:

There it is!

xwalker · Sep 6, 2020

Hawkeye0202 said:
Can someone, anyone (lol) tell me why Connor Williams can't move RT a few games for Collins and McGovern play G? This way Erving can stay at swing. Am I missing something?

He would have needed to practice there from the beginning of training camp.

If they had him practice at OT it would likely be more at LT because that the side he has always played.

Erving has significant experience starting games at OT.

They have Knight and if he is not healthy they signed another OT that has been in the NFL (primarily practice squads) shine 2017.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 6, 2020

Cowboyny said:
I think Robinson is playing more safety this season due to the numbers at the position, easier way to see the field as a safety.

I agree this season. Is that his long term plan though?

xwalker · Sep 6, 2020

DanA said:
My ratings for the 53 man roster:

Defense:
DE: A+ starters, A+ depth
DT: B starters, B depth
LB: A- starters, D depth (Raises to C+ if Sean Lee is healthy)
CB: B- starters, A depth (I'm pretty high on Diggs, Worley, and Awuzie)
S: D starters, D depth

Offense:
QB: B+ starter, A+ depth
RB: A+ starter, B depth
TE: C+ starter, C- depth
WR: A+ starters, D depth
OT: A starters, F depth
OG: B+ starters, C+ depth
OC: D starter, D depth

Weakest starters:
1. Safety
2. Offensive Center
3. Tight End

Least depth
1. Offensive Tackle
2. Safety
3. Wide Receiver
4. Offensive Center

* Linebacker sits at no.2 for least depth until Sean Lee is healthy.

Part of the depth at TE is that the receiving TE on this roster is the 5th option to touch the ball.
- Bell is a known quantity as a blocking TE playing almost 50% of the playoff snaps for the Super Bowl champions.

Tony Pollard adds depth to WR. He could play slot WR if needed.
- With the top 3 all being options at outside WR it's much better depth than when one of the top 2 WRs is a slot WR only (most years with Beasley).

Erving has significant experience starting at OT in the NFL and Knight held up OK in his 1 start last season.
- It's not exactly the year of Chaz Green and Byron Bell as the backup OTs.

At RB it appears Pollard has starter level ability. It's hard to get better depth than that.

Connor Williams was playing really well last season until he went to IR.
- The LG would need to be and F for the starting OGs to average out to B+ considering that Zack Martin is A++++.

I would rate Looney's 2018 performance as a C or C+. He should be slightly better now.
- They have more OL that have played OC than most years or most teams.
- Looney, Biadasz, McGovern, Erving. They also had CW practice at OC with apparently good results.

This scheme will only use 2 traditional LBs. Even the Marinelli scheme only used the SLB for less than 30% of the snaps.
- LVE, Jaylon
- Joe Thomas, March
- Gifford, Lee by game 4.

Agree that CB is around B or B- until proven otherwise for the starters (top 3) but depth is very good.
- The potential is there to be an A for the starters.

Safety is about a C until proven otherwise.
- Thompson started a full season in 2017 and this scheme will hide is weaknesses better than playing single-high FS for the Giants or SS in last year's Cowboys scheme.
- Worley played both Safety and CB last season and looked OK. His best spot might be Safety, especially in the Cowboys new scheme.
- Carr will need some practice time in this scheme, but he would be a good fit at Safety in this scheme where the Safeties are more CB/Safety tweeners than in some other schemes.

I have DT as the top question mark.
- Trysten Hill as the starting 3tech rotating with Crawford who is returning from injury.
- Poe and Woods look good at 1tech if healthy, but neither have stayed healthy for long.

OT should be OK if Tyron can stay healthy until La'el is healthy. If Tyron misses any snaps while La'ell is out, then there are going to be problems.

xwalker · Sep 6, 2020

Cowboyny said:
-Yes, I believe Knight is also hurt. Heading in the season, they are awfully thin at the position. I think they would be better off finding an emergency plan for the swing tackle spot at least in game 1. Perhaps one of the Guards could move outside if an injury occurs.

-Not concerned about Erving as he was brought in as an experienced veteran who can spot start if needed. Perhaps they need to give him help at times, but he should be ok as a short-term starter. I am as comfortable with him as I was with Fleming as the backup.

-I might be bullish, but I think Lve if healthy will excel in the middle. He has terrific instincts and legitimate ball skills. With his speed, size and length, he should get his hands on many passes. Let's also not forget, he will have Poe in front of him keeping him more clean. If used right, Jaylon could be very good, he tremendous, straightline burst. He will be playing his more natural position and playing more to his strengths.

Erving has much better physical ability to play OT than Fleming, especially LT.

xwalker · Sep 6, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Many fa's in our defensive backfield next off-season. We could see a lot of attention in that area next yr.

Based on the way the roster is constructed, they drafted Diggs and Robinson with 2021 in mind.
- Obviously teams and fans would like for Diggs to start immediately but the team didn't make themselves dependent on it.

xwalker · Sep 6, 2020

rocyaice said:
We could. I think we are good with Diggs. I wonder do they think Robinson is a corner or safety.

Cowboyny said:
I think Robinson is playing more safety this season due to the numbers at the position, easier way to see the field as a safety.

They want him to learn both.

Safety is much more similar to CB in this scheme than in the previous scheme.

DC Mike Nolan's basic concept is stop the run with the front 7 and play 2-deep Safeties with 2-deep actually being 2 at medium depth.

The Safeties are most often aligned inside and behind the outside CBs.
- The CB and Safety on each side can mix up coverage(s) from the same alignment.
- On pass plays the Safeties often play like CBs in off-coverage.
- With 2-deep there is less need for a FS with sideline to sideline range.
- With 2-deep there is less need for a SS that has to fight off blocks from OL and TEs.

Oddly, the success of the pass defense is dependent on the front 7's success at stopping the run.
- If they can't, then the Safeties have to become more involved in run defense.
- Nolan will tend to use bigger and bigger front 7 line-ups until they do stop the run.

dogberry · Sep 6, 2020

Likelihood Martin moves to RT if Erving and Knight can’t play?

SoBlue128 · Sep 6, 2020

xwalker said:
He would have needed to practice there from the beginning of training camp.

If they had him practice at OT it would likely be more at LT because that the side he has always played.

Erving has significant experience starting games at OT.

They have Knight and if he is not healthy they signed another OT that has been in the NFL (primarily practice squads) shine 2017.

How would you rate Looney’s play in 2018 in comparison to FBeards last year. Some said they were on par with each other but wanted your take on what you thought. Always love reading your insight btw

AsthmaField · Sep 6, 2020

xwalker said:
Part of the depth at TE is that the receiving TE on this roster is the 5th option to touch the ball.
- Bell is a known quantity as a blocking TE playing almost 50% of the playoff snaps for the Super Bowl champions.

Tony Pollard adds depth to WR. He could play slot WR if needed.
- With the top 3 all being options at outside WR it's much better depth than when one of the top 2 WRs is a slot WR only (most years with Beasley).

Erving has significant experience starting at OT in the NFL and Knight held up OK in his 1 start last season.
- It's not exactly the year of Chaz Green and Byron Bell as the backup OTs.

At RB it appears Pollard has starter level ability. It's hard to get better depth than that.

Connor Williams was playing really well last season until he went to IR.
- The LG would need to be and F for the starting OGs to average out to B+ considering that Zack Martin is A++++.

I would rate Looney's 2018 performance as a C or C+. He should be slightly better now.
- They have more OL that have played OC than most years or most teams.
- Looney, Biadasz, McGovern, Erving. They also had CW practice at OC with apparently good results.

This scheme will only use 2 traditional LBs. Even the Marinelli scheme only used the SLB for less than 30% of the snaps.
- LVE, Jaylon
- Joe Thomas, March
- Gifford, Lee by game 4.

Agree that CB is around B or B- until proven otherwise for the starters (top 3) but depth is very good.
- The potential is there to be an A for the starters.

Safety is about a C until proven otherwise.
- Thompson started a full season in 2017 and this scheme will hide is weaknesses better than playing single-high FS for the Giants or SS in last year's Cowboys scheme.
- Worley played both Safety and CB last season and looked OK. His best spot might be Safety, especially in the Cowboys new scheme.
- Carr will need some practice time in this scheme, but he would be a good fit at Safety in this scheme where the Safeties are more CB/Safety tweeners than in some other schemes.

I have DT as the top question mark.
- Trysten Hill as the starting 3tech rotating with Crawford who is returning from injury.
- Poe and Woods look good at 1tech if healthy, but neither have stayed healthy for long.

OT should be OK if Tyron can stay healthy until La'el is healthy. If Tyron misses any snaps while La'ell is out, then there are going to be problems.

I think you’re right on with your safety comments. I agree that this scheme will be better for Thompson than last year’s. Although I don’t love him as a starter, I do feel like he’ll be okay for a bit until Robinson, Worley or Carr can take over.

Speaking of Robinson, I think he has a ton of potential as a safety in this scheme. He played primarily in a zone system at Tulsa and spent his time looking into the backfield at the QB, making the switch to safety much less of a drastic change than if he played man coverage. He is a very good athlete at CB, making him a fantastic athlete for a safety... so if he can handle the mental part of the switch, Dallas could really be on to something there. His coverage will be stellar for that position.

If Robinson needs another year to learn the position, then I think one of Worley or Carr will be more than good enough to not be a liability back there. Worley, in particular, takes really good angles to the ball and might end up being one hell of a relatively inexpensive free agent pickup.

Bottom line for me is that - once Woods is healthy - I don’t think that safety will be a liability in any way for the team. Getting rid of Haha Clinton-Dix makes me feel much better. I never liked that guy’s play and was not happy to see him brought in. Him getting the boot from the team is a good sign for the position... and for the coaching.

AsthmaField · Sep 6, 2020

dogberry said:
Likelihood Martin moves to RT if Erving and Knight can’t play?

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