Coaching? who cares

Reid1boys · Oct 19, 2020

Coaching irrelevancy is being shown every week. Ive said forveer that great coaches become great when they get their great HOF QB. Throught history, EVERY great coach is linked to 1 or 2 HOF QBs. Joe Gibson is, IMO, the only coach that totally bucked that trend.

Billy Boy is getting a heavy dose of his coaching ability when he has a QB that is as inconsistent as Cam is. When he is on, they look awesome and Bill coaches phenomenally. When Cam reverts to suckiness... Billy Boy looks like Adam Gase.

All of you that LOVE Mike Zimmer and have been clamoring for him to coach Dallas... How's he looking?

As Drew Brees continues to age weekly, we are going to see how great Sean Peyton is.

Now, do not confuse what I am saying. None of these guys are bad coaches..... in fact, they are all outstanding. BUt guess what, there are 32 NFL teams and about 25 of them are as good and simply havent lucked into a QB. Hey, Mike Vrabel was floundering around in la la land with Marcus Marriota... even LAST season, and as soon as Tannehill took over, Vrabel instantly became a MUCH better head coach. Vrabel was about to be fired at 2-4 last year. He made a QB switch and apparently starting taking his Head Coaching vitamins as they IMMEDIATELY went on a streak to win 7 of their next 10 games. Amazing how that works.

For us, we obviously need some defense, but coaches all fit on the bell shapped curve. Where exactly you sit, depends on who that QB is.
Cheers

Jake · Oct 19, 2020

A great coach can't win with bad players, but he'll get the most out of good ones. A bad coach will rarely succeed, even with great players.

It matters, but not to the extent some here suggest. You can't polish a turd.

foofighters · Oct 19, 2020

Are we talking about the Coach Jones?

Reid1boys · Oct 19, 2020

Jake said:
A great coach can't win with bad players, but he'll get the most out of good ones. A bad coach will rarely succeed, even with great players.

It matters, but not to the extent some here suggest. You can't polish a turd.

Jerry said any of a thousand coaches could win a SB with this lineup.

Enter Barry Switzer and Wala... another SB title.

stilltheguru · Oct 19, 2020

Dumb thread. Ask the titans how much coaching matters.

khiladi · Oct 19, 2020

Nobody says great coaches can win without talent. Great coaches maximize talent they have, while others completely stifle it, like Garrett with Romo.

cityochamps · Oct 19, 2020

Reid1boys said:
Jerry said any of a thousand coaches could win a SB with this lineup.

Enter Barry Switzer and Wala... another SB title.

except he didn't win a Sb title with that line up, he lost in the NFC Champ game his first year so Jerry had to eat some crow and BS didn't win the SB til the following year

Johnny23 · Oct 19, 2020

Reid1boys said:
Jerry said any of a thousand coaches could win a SB with this lineup.

Enter Barry Switzer and Wala... another SB title.

Barry Switzer was a great players coach.

Marty schottenheimer was a great coach who never caught a break.

CowboyRoy · Oct 19, 2020

Reid1boys said:
Coaching irrelevancy is being shown every week. Ive said forveer that great coaches become great when they get their great HOF QB. Throught history, EVERY great coach is linked to 1 or 2 HOF QBs. Joe Gibson is, IMO, the only coach that totally bucked that trend.

Billy Boy is getting a heavy dose of his coaching ability when he has a QB that is as inconsistent as Cam is. When he is on, they look awesome and Bill coaches phenomenally. When Cam reverts to suckiness... Billy Boy looks like Adam Gase.

All of you that LOVE Mike Zimmer and have been clamoring for him to coach Dallas... How's he looking?

As Drew Brees continues to age weekly, we are going to see how great Sean Peyton is.

Now, do not confuse what I am saying. None of these guys are bad coaches..... in fact, they are all outstanding. BUt guess what, there are 32 NFL teams and about 25 of them are as good and simply havent lucked into a QB. Hey, Mike Vrabel was floundering around in la la land with Marcus Marriota... even LAST season, and as soon as Tannehill took over, Vrabel instantly became a MUCH better head coach. Vrabel was about to be fired at 2-4 last year. He made a QB switch and apparently starting taking his Head Coaching vitamins as they IMMEDIATELY went on a streak to win 7 of their next 10 games. Amazing how that works.

For us, we obviously need some defense, but coaches all fit on the bell shapped curve. Where exactly you sit, depends on who that QB is.
Cheers

Garrett is leading the #32 ranked offense in football. Moore is leading the #1 ranked offense in football. At least through 4 weeks they were.

Coaching 100% matters and that is proven EVERY week.

As far as Brees, who is the big injury on their offense this year? Got injured first game of the year.

Reid1boys · Oct 19, 2020

stilltheguru said:
Dumb thread. Ask the titans how much coaching matters.

I already mentioned Vrabel... how great was he last year at 2-4 when he was probably close to getting fired.... then he put in Tannehill, and wala, now hes a great coach.

Reid1boys · Oct 19, 2020

cityochamps said:
except he didn't win a Sb title with that line up, he lost in the NFC Champ game his first year so Jerry had to eat some crow and BS didn't win the SB til the following year

CowboyRoy said:
Garrett is leading the #32 ranked offense in football. Moore is leading the #1 ranked offense in football. At least through 4 weeks they were.

Coaching 100% matters and that is proven EVERY week.

As far as Brees, who is the big injury on their offense this year? Got injured first game of the year.

bahahahhahahha..... JG is coaching one of the worst teams in the entire NFL..... makes my point thank you

CowboyRoy · Oct 19, 2020

Reid1boys said:
bahahahhahahha..... JG is coaching one of the worst teams in the entire NFL..... makes my point thank you

Garrett is a horrible coach and his offense is horrible. How does that prove your point that coaching doesn't matter? :lmao2:

Reid1boys · Oct 19, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Garrett is a horrible coach and his offense is horrible. How does that prove your point that coaching doesn't matter?

The Giants have a very weak qb......... result? ****** team, no matter who the coach is.

Billy Boy looked pretty bad yesterday against Denver> I thought he is the greatest ever?

CowboyRoy · Oct 19, 2020

Reid1boys said:
The Giants have a very weak qb......... result? ****** team, no matter who the coach is.

Billy Boy looked pretty bad yesterday against Denver> I thought he is the greatest ever?

I think what you mean to say is that coaching doesn't matter if your talent sucks. Which is true.

However, coaching matters, it matters big time.

Give Garrett and Andy Reid the same talent and the results are much different.

Even as a rookie, Moore made Linehan and Garrett look like chumps with the offense.

CowboyRoy · Oct 19, 2020

Reid1boys said:
The Giants have a very weak qb......... result? ****** team, no matter who the coach is.

Billy Boy looked pretty bad yesterday against Denver> I thought he is the greatest ever?

Personally, I like Jones and think he is going to be a very good QB. Sadly, had has Garrett now as his OC so his career will probably be wasted like everyone else Garrett coaches.

Who is Billy boy?

stilltheguru · Oct 19, 2020

Reid1boys said:
I already mentioned Vrabel... how great was he last year at 2-4 when he was probably close to getting fired.... then he put in Tannehill, and wala, now hes a great coach.

Would the titans be 5-0 with Jason Garrett? No. Would they be 5-0 with Mitch Trubisky? No. Coaching is as important as talent

stilltheguru · Oct 19, 2020

Reid1boys said:
The Giants have a very weak qb......... result? ****** team, no matter who the coach is.

Billy Boy looked pretty bad yesterday against Denver> I thought he is the greatest ever?

One game means that much to you?

blueblood70 · Oct 19, 2020

Reid1boys said:
Coaching irrelevancy is being shown every week. Ive said forveer that great coaches become great when they get their great HOF QB. Throught history, EVERY great coach is linked to 1 or 2 HOF QBs. Joe Gibson is, IMO, the only coach that totally bucked that trend.

Billy Boy is getting a heavy dose of his coaching ability when he has a QB that is as inconsistent as Cam is. When he is on, they look awesome and Bill coaches phenomenally. When Cam reverts to suckiness... Billy Boy looks like Adam Gase.

All of you that LOVE Mike Zimmer and have been clamoring for him to coach Dallas... How's he looking?

As Drew Brees continues to age weekly, we are going to see how great Sean Peyton is.

Now, do not confuse what I am saying. None of these guys are bad coaches..... in fact, they are all outstanding. BUt guess what, there are 32 NFL teams and about 25 of them are as good and simply havent lucked into a QB. Hey, Mike Vrabel was floundering around in la la land with Marcus Marriota... even LAST season, and as soon as Tannehill took over, Vrabel instantly became a MUCH better head coach. Vrabel was about to be fired at 2-4 last year. He made a QB switch and apparently starting taking his Head Coaching vitamins as they IMMEDIATELY went on a streak to win 7 of their next 10 games. Amazing how that works.

For us, we obviously need some defense, but coaches all fit on the bell shapped curve. Where exactly you sit, depends on who that QB is.
Cheers

i get your point but,
they are missing like 14-15 starters either on CO list or injured etc with limited practice and moving games around , yesterday was tough tpo overcome..

he had a winning record with Castle (11-5)and the limited games Garoppolo or the guy who wne to the colts..

that hard to overcome for anyone..

cityochamps · Oct 19, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Garrett is a horrible coach and his offense is horrible. How does that prove your point that coaching doesn't matter?

Yeah I guess I missed his punchline also. All I did is correct his incorrect post.

Runwildboys · Oct 19, 2020

Jake said:
A great coach can't win with bad players, but he'll get the most out of good ones. A bad coach will rarely succeed, even with great players.

It matters, but not to the extent some here suggest. You can't polish a turd.

Well, you can, but you have to harden it in a kiln first, and nobody wants to ruin their kiln.

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