Derek Eagleton On Zeke/O-Line

Idgit · Nov 1, 2020

The reason you don’t overdraft and overpay RBs is precisely because they’re dependent on the OL to be great in the first place. It isn’t rocket science.

blueblood70 · Nov 1, 2020

RonnieT24 said:
Which game this year have we been in a position to hand Zeke the ball 25 times? I was fine with Zeke getting paid as long as we used him commensurate with his salary. As in getting off the bus with 20 carries and 5 catches a game. Since Moore has taken over there is absolutely no denying the offensive philosophy has shifted back to circa 2011-2012 under Garrett. Throw it throw it and if that doesn't work throw it some more. The running plays are garbage. 90% of them are right behind the center or either guard and to top it off they come out of shotgun so the guy who is getting almost no blocking also gets no running start to hit the line of scrimmage. The same may be said of how he is used as a pass catcher. He has demonstrated on several occasions that he is a good down the field threat as a receiver but all we do is screen, dumpoffs and swing passes. That's not how you use a back who is a good receiver. I will not defend his fumbles nor the drops, though a number of them have been placed in crappy position to be caught. Especially the swing pass. It's easily the worst pass in Dak's arsenal as it's almost never just an easy catch. Dalton hasn't been much better with it. But we have become a modern day Air Coryell under Moore. I am in full agreement that if that's the way we were going to play we should not have paid Zeke and we should go ahead and trade or release him as soon as the cap hit will allow. Playing this style we won't get a fraction of our money's worth anyway.

truth been saying its more to do with KM pass happy approach, when he does run its some outdated run pays,, no creativity. They started using zeke like FB this year and that an issue having him on the field 20% more then he has all career to become blocker and then just ram him into line not opening holes..they are wearing him out and not using him correctly. More bad coaching and Gm issues being exposed..

i posted this since the second have of last year, also go look at my KM posts..the downfall of Zeke is not his age and mileage its KM and the OL for sure..the fan hate is misplaced..

it wasn't mistake paying his it was mistake changing philosophy's after you pay your back and then use him like a FB.. Idiotic

JPostSam · Nov 1, 2020

sanders' o-line had pro bowlers like lomas brown on it. and they spread the defense with three 1,000-yard receivers.

barry was one of the best ever, but no one does anything in football all by themselves.

zeke is a great back -- who needs to get better at protecting the ball and blocking in the backfield -- but he isn't going to shine with a shredded o-line and a third-string quarterback and a perpetual deficit because the defense that can't stop the other team.

Motorola · Nov 1, 2020

phildadon86 said:
No it wasnt. And he played for a horrible franchise.

Barry Sanders with the Detroit Lions played in six playoff games. They only won the first one (38-6 wildcard victory over the Cowboys), and that was the only postseason game the great No. 20 scored a TD. Only rushed for 100+ yds once (27 for 169) in his third playoff game.
So far in his career, Zeke has three playoff games; 1-2 record, two games over 100 yds (22 for 125 and 26 for 137), scored 2 TDs.

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 1, 2020

rocyaice said:
Aye.....I just gave Zeke a chance to prove what he is. He's not doing it. I never felt he was the best back in the league I just felt he was underrated in this league the first 3-4 years of his career. But this year is huge step back for me personally. Hard to really defend it other than this is probably what he is when he doesn't have a great line.

It's a step back for almost the whole team. Even Dak has some bad spats especially early.

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 1, 2020

JPostSam said:
sanders' o-line had pro bowlers like lomas brown on it. and they spread the defense with three 1,000-yard receivers.

barry was one of the best ever, but no one does anything in football all by themselves.

zeke is a great back -- who needs to get better at protecting the ball and blocking in the backfield -- but he isn't going to shine with a shredded o-line and a third-string quarterback and a perpetual deficit because the defense that can't stop the other team.

He doesn't have to "get better". Just return to form.

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 1, 2020

JPostSam said:
sanders' o-line had pro bowlers like lomas brown on it. and they spread the defense with three 1,000-yard receivers.

barry was one of the best ever, but no one does anything in football all by themselves.

zeke is a great back -- who needs to get better at protecting the ball and blocking in the backfield -- but he isn't going to shine with a shredded o-line and a third-string quarterback and a perpetual deficit because the defense that can't stop the other team.

I agree...those teams were not as bad as Barry defenders say.

I think Barry's style....his forte...was also his detriment. I'll leave it at that.

Miller · Nov 1, 2020

Listen besides the initial giddiness of drafting a skill O guy high in the draft, drafting Zeke there was just dumb. The front office already saw that a great Oline could make a RB and then that RBs value drops quickly with DeMarco Murray. They ignored D again and we are still paying. Zeke isn’t taking over games now.

aria · Nov 1, 2020

There’s only a few zeke holdouts left and their excuses are comical and will never end. It’s never zeke’s fault and never will be.

baltcowboy · Nov 1, 2020

Eagleton loves him some Zeke but wants to bury Jaylon behind Sean Lee and the other backup linebacker. At least Jaylon leads the league in tackles. Zeke leads the league in fumbles.

Aerolithe_Lion · Nov 1, 2020

JPostSam said:
sanders' o-line had pro bowlers like lomas brown on it. and they spread the defense with three 1,000-yard receivers.

barry was one of the best ever, but no one does anything in football all by themselves.

zeke is a great back -- who needs to get better at protecting the ball and blocking in the backfield -- but he isn't going to shine with a shredded o-line and a third-string quarterback and a perpetual deficit because the defense that can't stop the other team.

Brown and Kevin Glover made pro bowls because of Barry.

they played together for 4(!) years before Barry got there, and here are their team rushing ranks:

1985: Att:18 Yards:26 RushTDs:20 YPC:28
1986: Att:16 Yards:15 RushTDs:16 YPC:19
1987: Att:25 Yards:25 RushTDs:23 YPC:24
1988: Att:26 Yards:27 RushTDs:28 YPC:28

they were known as one of the worst lines in the whole NFL, no redeeming qualities. Suddenly Barry shows up and a couple of them are making perennial pro bowls.

TheMarathonContinues · Nov 1, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
It's a step back for almost the whole team. Even Dak has some bad spats especially early.

He did. Had a few bad fumbles for sure.

xwalker · Nov 1, 2020

Thomas82 said:
There's no disputing that first part.I was with him until he said Barry Sanders had a bad O-line. That line was nowhere near as bad as people made it out to be.

Dominant.

Jerry was sold on Zeke as a dominant RB.

Jerry wanted Zeke to dominate games.

SteveTheCowboy · Nov 1, 2020

aria said:
There’s only a few zeke holdouts left and their excuses are comical and will never end. It’s never zeke’s fault and never will be.

Who?

khiladi · Nov 1, 2020

Zeke was drafted for Romo and in a RG that still had the impact of Callahan.

We wasted a short Sb window for this mediocre QB, based on short term success in a simplified offense, period..

khiladi · Nov 1, 2020

And Barry player in a dome stadium and was not necessarily a great TURF guy, like Emmitt was. That’s why he was so inconsistent on grass in the play-offs on inclement weather.

TruBluSince1982 · Nov 1, 2020

Just don't ask him to block or catch tho... he sucks at those things...unfortunate.

Running game is great as long as he doesn't continue to fumble out of control. O-line does not work either, kinda broken.

DuncanIso · Nov 1, 2020

#ZekeHate

Playmaker247 · Nov 1, 2020

Running backs don’t matter. Paying one will always be stupid

Einstein · Nov 1, 2020

JeffInDC said:
And, you believe his listed weight? Ok.

And you know everything... RIGHT!?!

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