Twitter: Bob Sturm has hunch Dak is signed by Thursday at 8:30 AM

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Do the Dak haters saying "tag and trade Dak" realize they're counterdicting their own agenda?

If Dak is too costly and mediocre for the Cowboys, why would another team give us a ransom for an average quarterback while paying him what you feel the Cowboys should not?

The answer: because Dak is not an average QB. He's a franchise QB; and has played like one since midway through the 2018 season. The Cowboys aren't letting him go. If they do, they'll regret it unless they get incredibly lucky.
That makes zero sense.
 

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It's easier than ever.

We just found one in the 4th round and replaced him with a QB that could get similar results in FA when he went down.

It's hard to not be a QB in the NFL now days who doesn't throw 25-30 TD's... 10-15 picks.. 63% completion. Those types are everywhere. The Dak types.

The difference is when you take a Dak type like Tannehill and move him from to Miami to Tennessee then all of a sudden he is a great QB.

Most of these QB's are only as good as their situation.
more than 80% of first round QBs fail. more than 90% of all drafted QBs fail. we LUCKED into Dak, so now you want to go try you LUCK again. ala Qunicy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoener....

since Pats found their QB in the 6th round that proves you can find a Goat in the 6th round and all teams should just not draft QBs hight and just draft them in the 6th round!!!

and its not easy to be good, top 10 NFL QB these days, lets not forget Winston the top pick in the draft threw 30 interceptions, Average QBs throw for 20-25 TDs and their teams include the likes of Raiders, Detroit, Atlanta, Arizona...just a bunch of average to below average teams. as for interceptions, Drew Lock led the league last year with 15.....what you mean to look at is the interception%, which had aaron rodgers and mahomes at the top, but nick mullen, wentz and lock at the bottomwith 12-15 interceptions...

Dak had 30 TDs in 2019, 4th in the league, in 5 games in 2020 he had 9, 33rd in the league...
by comparison, he had only 11 interceptions in 2019.

Dak is clearly a top 10 QB in almost every statistical category..... sorry dude, Tannehill is the ultimate bus driver, who rides Henry's back to wins with 80 yard and 75 yard passing performances...
 

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But is the problem really solved? The odds of finding a QB as good as Dak again are maybe 50-50 at best. The Cowboys know what they have in Prescott and they can win with him. I'm not saying Dak is elite; but he's at least top 10-12. Keep Dak, shore up the defense at least marginally, and hope for a healthier offensive line and the Cowboys can realistically double their 2020 win total.
actually the odds for entire draft is 1 in 10.....that's average number of good QBs in drafts over the past several years. chances are 1 out of 5 for first rounders..
 

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Do the Dak haters saying "tag and trade Dak" realize they're counterdicting their own agenda?

If Dak is too costly and mediocre for the Cowboys, why would another team give us a ransom for an average quarterback while paying him what you feel the Cowboys should not?

The answer: because Dak is not an average QB. He's a franchise QB; and has played like one since midway through the 2018 season. The Cowboys aren't letting him go. If they do, they'll regret it unless they get incredibly lucky.
You can not be this dense


Teams trade for and pay average Quarterback ALL the time
 

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more than 80% of first round QBs fail. more than 90% of all drafted QBs fail. we LUCKED into Dak, so now you want to go try you LUCK again. ala Qunicy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoener....

since Pats found their QB in the 6th round that proves you can find a Goat in the 6th round and all teams should just not draft QBs hight and just draft them in the 6th round!!!

and its not easy to be good, top 10 NFL QB these days, lets not forget Winston the top pick in the draft threw 30 interceptions, Average QBs throw for 20-25 TDs and their teams include the likes of Raiders, Detroit, Atlanta, Arizona...just a bunch of average to below average teams. as for interceptions, Drew Lock led the league last year with 15.....what you mean to look at is the interception%, which had aaron rodgers and mahomes at the top, but nick mullen, wentz and lock at the bottomwith 12-15 interceptions...

Dak had 30 TDs in 2019, 4th in the league, in 5 games in 2020 he had 9, 33rd in the league...
by comparison, he had only 11 interceptions in 2019.

Dak is clearly a top 10 QB in almost every statistical category..... sorry dude, Tannehill is the ultimate bus driver, who rides Henry's back to wins with 80 yard and 75 yard passing performances...

He threw over half of his TD's in 2019 against 3 teams who all picked top 5..

Save Dak's empty calorie stats for someone who cares.

We were better when Zeke and the OL were rolling and Dak did less.
 

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Maybe.. But.. Who cares?

The main concern for me is the lack of playoff success and the elite guys may not win it but a lot of them have their trophy and consistently get there.

Daks got a whole wild card win in 5 years and he's gonna get paid like he's delivered us a trophy and that he is elite.

PArticipating in this market is just stupid but we're a stupid team so we'll do it.
well, you said we were a small play away from being 0-4, but the if-then-elses cut both ways...

he is 1-2 in the playoffs under garrett.

Manning was 0-4 in the playoffs when he started.

Watson is 1-2 in the playoffs - he must really suck, worse than Dak because he has two 4 win seasons under his belt. Quincy carter never had a 4 win season.

Wilson is 1-3 in the playoffs in the past 5 years. I guess that's an indication he won't ever win another one.

when there is a shortage of QBs, with low draft probability of success unless you pick in the top 5, and you have a top 10 QB, you better keep him.
 

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He threw over half of his TD's in 2019 against 3 teams who all picked top 5..

Save Dak's empty calorie stats for someone who cares.

We were better when Zeke and the OL were rolling and Dak did less.
you can dig into every QB and see similar patterns....its not like they are consistently throwing 2.45 TDs every game, so you are measuring in a vaccum. and that's futile. it was 4 teams and 7 games.....

lets dig into Mahomes, he threw half of his TDs against 4 teams......
Brady threw 1/3 of his TDs against 4 teams in 2020
Rodgers threw 1/2 of his TDs against 4 teams in 2020
Rodgers threw 1/2 of his TDs against 4 teams in 2019
Wlson threw 1/2 of his TDs against 4 teams in 2020
Wilson threw 1/2 of his TDs against 4 teams in 2019

should I go on?

so if you think its all Zeke, then how come you are touting Tannehill who has the best RB in the league, one who rushed for over 2000 yards this past year....

you want to get some cap, then cut martin, lawrence and Jaylon. you have enough cap space to get a couple of nice pieces on defense.
 
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Maybe.. But.. Who cares?

The main concern for me is the lack of playoff success and the elite guys may not win it but a lot of them have their trophy and consistently get there.

Daks got a whole wild card win in 5 years and he's gonna get paid like he's delivered us a trophy and that he is elite.

PArticipating in this market is just stupid but we're a stupid team so we'll do it.

Willingly getting back on the QB carousel is stupider than anything I can think of. You got one you do everything in your power to keep him. Yes you try to get a deal done that works under the cap but you don't walk away from a QB who can win you games in the NFL.. unless you have some first ballot hall of famer trying to come to your town and replace him.

That is all .
 

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Willingly getting back on the QB carousel is stupider than anything I can think of. You got one you do everything in your power to keep him. Yes you try to get a deal done that works under the cap but you don't walk away from a QB who can win you games in the NFL.. unless you have some first ballot hall of famer trying to come to your town and replace him.

That is all .

Yeah that's going splendidly for a lot of teams.
 

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Yeah that's going splendidly for a lot of teams.

I would say it went pretty well for teams that got it right.. It's the teams that got it wrong who are suffering. We don't know if the Cowboys would be right or wrong for hanging onto Dak but history says that replacing him will be extremely difficult and again, moving on from him does nothing to address the real problems on this team.. namely the defense.. All that would do is add "need a QB" to the list of problems. It's fine if you don't believe Dak is the answer. We will know within the next couple of years what his ceiling is whether he signs with Dallas or not. But the fact remains he has shown he can pilot a good team to a pretty high level of output. I like what I saw from him in 2020 and want to see more. I would also like to have at least a middle of the pack defense to pair with the offensive output they were generating. Unlike a lot of you I don't accept that "we can't improve the defense if we sign Dak." It's simply not true. Yes there are certain types of deals that might make it more difficult, but I credit the Joneses for trying to stay away from those deals and getting one done that doesn't kneecap the organization over the next three years. But I stop short of declaring that it can't be done as some have.
 

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I agree 100 percent. The problem for me is the QB position is the hardest to fill and once you get one you keep him. The idea of re-signing Andy Dalton or drafting the next Sam Darnold or Mitch Trubisky worries me. Unless some team is willing to give up a king's ransom for Dak I want Dallas to keep him. I understand the outrage if they overpay; but one could argue every QB in the league is overpaid. And I'm sure the Cowboys can come up with a deal that helps them cap-wise and maybe gives them an "out" after a couple years, especially coming off the injury.

Well, here is what I believe about today's game. The QB situation is not like it was 20 years ago. Today, you find guys who can play and surround them with talent and you can win in the first 4 years if you have the talent. A select few can win without as much talent but there are only two or three of those guys in the NFL and Dak is not one of them. So to me, this is the best risk the team can take if you can't get Dak done. Guys like Darnold and Trubisky, if they had talent around them when they came out, I think those situations are a much different deal but that's just my opinion.
 

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I would say it went pretty well for teams that got it right.. It's the teams that got it wrong who are suffering. We don't know if the Cowboys would be right or wrong for hanging onto Dak but history says that replacing him will be extremely difficult and again, moving on from him does nothing to address the real problems on this team.. namely the defense.. All that would do is add "need a QB" to the list of problems. It's fine if you don't believe Dak is the answer. We will know within the next couple of years what his ceiling is whether he signs with Dallas or not. But the fact remains he has shown he can pilot a good team to a pretty high level of output. I like what I saw from him in 2020 and want to see more. I would also like to have at least a middle of the pack defense to pair with the offensive output they were generating. Unlike a lot of you I don't accept that "we can't improve the defense if we sign Dak." It's simply not true. Yes there are certain types of deals that might make it more difficult, but I credit the Joneses for trying to stay away from those deals and getting one done that doesn't kneecap the organization over the next three years. But I stop short of declaring that it can't be done as some have.

How does keeping him help the Defense? How does moving on from him prevent you from helping the Defense?
 

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What I mean is, if Dak is as bad as the haters say, why would another team pay him and give us draft capitol in return? That's what makes no sense to me.

It makes sense. You shouldn't have to explain it like he's an 8 year old.
 

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Yeah that's going splendidly for a lot of teams.
and not so splendidly for many others. in fact more often than not it has failed..
...it was so good for AZ, they had waste a top 10 pick, then draft another guy #1 over all to be an average QB in this league...
Rams - traded
Philly - drafted another one
Jets - they plain suck
Chicago - went and got a FA
Tampa (they went FA after spending #1 over all)
Jax
Carolina
Giants
Minn (couldn't draft so they went FA)
Washington
Miami - unless you think Tua is the man
Denver (multiple times)
 

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Keeping him or letting him go does nothing for the defense. It's just that letting him go creates ANOTHER problem in addition to the defense. That's the point.

This is way too simplistic. Keeping him, may very well entail paying him what he wants, which compromises your ability to sign other key FAs, particularly in the Defensive side of the ball. It also, significantly limits your aiblity to resign or extend your own players.

Moving on from him frees up considerable cap resources and allows you to improve the defense through FA, resigning FAs and draft picks, which if played right, can be used to draft Defensive talent.

It's not a zero sum game.
 
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