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Thanks man I am just besides my self on that officiating debacle on Thanksgiving Day. Need to raise awareness about this kind of Malfeasance!
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Diehardblues
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If he’s making contact with his back to the ball its most usually called or should be.
BermyStar
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THIS THIS and THIS. We aren't the only team screwed by the refs. It is every team every game. We need full time refs. The league generates enough money to make this happen.
Romo_To_Dez
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Goodell will turn a blind eye to his inept and corrupt Refs and come out saying they did nothing wrong or that all of their calls were correct. Goodell has too much pride to admit that he and the NFL hires Refs who unfairly and inexcusably decides the outcome of games. And tries to silence players who call out for officiating by fining them.
The only way Goodell and the NFL is going to crack down on the Refs, is if an outside investigation uncovers some betting or gambling going on and/or favoritisms for certain NFL teams or dislikes for others, which has the Refs intentionally and purposefully using calls and their influence to impact the momentum and outcome of games. It's getting harder and harder for the NFL to pretend like these Refs are just making a normal human error and more people are starting to notice the poor officiating and how they impact the outcome of games.
The only way Goodell and the NFL is going to crack down on the Refs, is if an outside investigation uncovers some betting or gambling going on and/or favoritisms for certain NFL teams or dislikes for others, which has the Refs intentionally and purposefully using calls and their influence to impact the momentum and outcome of games. It's getting harder and harder for the NFL to pretend like these Refs are just making a normal human error and more people are starting to notice the poor officiating and how they impact the outcome of games.
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There were some awful calls in that game yesterday and someone in Dallas had to speak up because the worst calls went against the Cowboys. McCarthy has to protect his players.
The calls I thought were the worst were:
The second PI call on brown. That contact was no different than what we see all the time in the NFL. Plus, the ball was nowhere near the receiver. It was uncatchable.
The incomplete pass that should have been ruled a fumble and a Dallas recovery. Waller caught the ball in his hands and took 2 steps while turning upfield. By the rule it was a catch and a fumble. I have no idea if or when it was reviewed or why the officials looked at that play and called it incomplete. They whole thing looked hokey to me.
The roughing the pass call on Micah Parsons. Everything was wrong with this call. First, Carr was scrambling and out of the pocket. Second, he ran into Parsons. Parsons actually let up on hitting him. That was 15 big yards.
The last PI call on Anthony Brown. I posted the PI rule in another thread. The rules does not say a player not going to the ball is guilty of PI. He has to make contact, and in doing so it has to be intentional, not incidental. Incidental contact vitiates PI. But in this case, the ball was underthrown. Brown was in underneath position. He did not make any attempt to push, block, hold or otherwise impede the receiver. This was not PI but it gave the Raiders a 1st down instead of a 4th and 18. The Raiders probably would have punted the ball back to Dallas.
Finally, the play where Kelvin Joseph was ejected. I thought the replay clearly showed the Raiders player was the aggressor. I did not see Joseph do anything other than defend himself against the aggression of the Raiders player. I don;t know why either player was ejected, but I saw nothing that Joseph did to warrant an ejection.
I will add two non-calls. First, the hit on Pollard out of bounds. The way the refs were calling everything so tight, why did they not call that one? How was that play any different than the call on Parsons for roughing Carr? The other non-call was the PI not called on (I think it was) Noah Brown. It was the play before the play where Schultz went to the ground claiming he was interfered with. Again, what I saw was more contact than Anthony Brown had made on 2 earlier penalties and on the one he would get to end the game. But no call. If there is one thing that bugs me about refs it is when they are inconsistent.
Overall this game was one of the worst I have seen in the NFL as far as officiating is concerned. I am glad McCarthy called the league office. I am glad the media is making a lot of the calls too.
The calls I thought were the worst were:
The second PI call on brown. That contact was no different than what we see all the time in the NFL. Plus, the ball was nowhere near the receiver. It was uncatchable.
The incomplete pass that should have been ruled a fumble and a Dallas recovery. Waller caught the ball in his hands and took 2 steps while turning upfield. By the rule it was a catch and a fumble. I have no idea if or when it was reviewed or why the officials looked at that play and called it incomplete. They whole thing looked hokey to me.
The roughing the pass call on Micah Parsons. Everything was wrong with this call. First, Carr was scrambling and out of the pocket. Second, he ran into Parsons. Parsons actually let up on hitting him. That was 15 big yards.
The last PI call on Anthony Brown. I posted the PI rule in another thread. The rules does not say a player not going to the ball is guilty of PI. He has to make contact, and in doing so it has to be intentional, not incidental. Incidental contact vitiates PI. But in this case, the ball was underthrown. Brown was in underneath position. He did not make any attempt to push, block, hold or otherwise impede the receiver. This was not PI but it gave the Raiders a 1st down instead of a 4th and 18. The Raiders probably would have punted the ball back to Dallas.
Finally, the play where Kelvin Joseph was ejected. I thought the replay clearly showed the Raiders player was the aggressor. I did not see Joseph do anything other than defend himself against the aggression of the Raiders player. I don;t know why either player was ejected, but I saw nothing that Joseph did to warrant an ejection.
I will add two non-calls. First, the hit on Pollard out of bounds. The way the refs were calling everything so tight, why did they not call that one? How was that play any different than the call on Parsons for roughing Carr? The other non-call was the PI not called on (I think it was) Noah Brown. It was the play before the play where Schultz went to the ground claiming he was interfered with. Again, what I saw was more contact than Anthony Brown had made on 2 earlier penalties and on the one he would get to end the game. But no call. If there is one thing that bugs me about refs it is when they are inconsistent.
Overall this game was one of the worst I have seen in the NFL as far as officiating is concerned. I am glad McCarthy called the league office. I am glad the media is making a lot of the calls too.
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I've never been a fan of the current PI enforcement. A judgement call should not penalize any team more than 5-10 yards and an automatic 1st down. I realize however that such a small enforcement could result in intentional PI's by defenders that have been beaten.
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the cowboys might’ve been allowed to win a one score game. They weren’t going to cover. There’s no other explanation for it.
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I haven't watched the post game, but I'd be shocked if it wasn't the usual line about cleaning things up executing and getting players back ect.
I imagine this was only a part of where he placed blame. If I'm wrong I apologize. There's never an excuse for losing, but there are numerous things that contribute to it, and the refs deserve to be drug through the mud. They were terrible.
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He should talk to someone about game management.
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McCarthy is wasting his time. Nothing will be done. The NFL probably won't even review the penalties in question, and even if they do, the most the Cowboys will get is an apology.
But if games like this keep happening, the league is going to lose my viewership for starters. It's frustrating enough when your favorite team underperforms, but to have this kind of BS go against them in a game that could have been an amazing comeback win is just too much.
I have some games from the 1990's dynasty years that I watch often and it's amazing how much the game has changed- for the worse. I'm all for player safety, but defenses actually had a chance back then.
But if games like this keep happening, the league is going to lose my viewership for starters. It's frustrating enough when your favorite team underperforms, but to have this kind of BS go against them in a game that could have been an amazing comeback win is just too much.
I have some games from the 1990's dynasty years that I watch often and it's amazing how much the game has changed- for the worse. I'm all for player safety, but defenses actually had a chance back then.
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Fair enough, but you severely undermine your credibility by not including the head bob procedure penalty on the Raiders C that stalled out that drive and enabled the Cowboys to get the ball back with enough time to tie the game. THAT was also one of the worst calls in the game, if not THE worst.
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McCarthy: "What's up with all these penalties being called on my team?"
League: "This ain't Green Bay, Mike."
gimmesix
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Don't think they will. It was a judgment call based on the "football move" observation. The officials say he didn't complete the process of the catch, and it's too close to call it differently. IMO, they let it play out as a fumble and should have kept it that way, determining that there wasn't enough evidence showing it wasn't a catch.
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Hopefully we made clear that there are too many worthless franchises riding our coat tails and threatened to lead a breakaway league. And that the draft is similar to a slave auction and we'll be signing whomever we want out of college, because the franchises that are paying the bills should get who they want.
I can dream, can't I?
I can dream, can't I?
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I agree. They let the play go as a fumble and then got together and looked at each other and said let’s screw them out of it. Lol.
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I'd love to see them screw Arizona or Tampa Bay like this in the postseason when Paul Gosar and Matt Goetz would start demanding hearings about removing the NL's Anti-Trust Exemption. Bet that would get Goodell's Attention, especially since Kevin McCarthy would let them do it, That's about the only thing that might stop this crap.
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The problem with the NFL officiating is the consistency, or lack there of. You can’t teach and coach players how to play if the officiating might be different from week to week or game to game. If at any time one referee says something is allowed or not allowed, and then the official in the next game says completely different, the rule is broken and needs to be corrected immediately.