TE is the other offensive weakness

MaineBoy said:

He looks to be tied with Wilson for second place for most drops this season.

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Where did you find that stat?

KJJ said:

Where did you find that stat?

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Google is thy friend....

MaineBoy said:

He looks to be tied with Wilson for second place for most drops this season.

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Lamb has 4
4 drops on 90 targets is not bad
And neither is 3 on on 71 targets
Pollard has a 5.7% drop rate and he’s catching easier passes

Clove said:

But he's a terrible blocker.

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However if he was a great blocker and a terrible receiver fans would be gripping. He would certainly be replaced if he wasn’t a good receiving TE. They’re not drafted high in the draft for their blocking skills.

MaineBoy said:

Google is thy friend....

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Then provide a link. lol You’re the one who gave the information that he had the second most drops on the team.

Clove said:

But he's a terrible blocker.

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Nope he is a good but not great blocker

gp_cowpolk said:

Pollard is the NFL MVP

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That’s not happening. lol

KJJ said:

Then provide a link. lol You’re the one who gave the information that he had the second most drops on the team.

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Uh, I don’t work for you ? Lol.... You didn’t provide a link when you asserted he had fewest...Wanna work for me ?

KJJ said:

Then provide a link. lol You’re the one who gave the information that he had the second most drops on the team.

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The number of drops isn’t as important as the pct you drop
Guys who get 100 targets are gonna have more drops than a guy with 50 targets
But if he has more than half as many means he’s dropping more of the passes he gets
Pollard has a higher drop pct than lamb or Schultz
Cooper has the best at 1.5%

MaineBoy said:

Uh, I don’t work for you ? Lol.... You didn’t provide a link when you asserted he had fewest...Wanna work for me ?

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You’re the one who made the claim that he had the second most drops next to Wilson. It’s up to you to prove it.

JPostSam said:

Yes, the offensive line play has dropped off.

Yes, the running plays have been more plain vanilla and less effective.

Yes, there have been more drops by receivers.

Yes, Dak has made some poor choices.

Yes, the offensive play calling has been head scratching.

But here's something I haven't seen or heard anyone address: The diminished role of the tight end.

Over the first 7 games of the season, when Dallas went 6-1 and outscored opponents 225-162, tight ends caught 43 passes on 56 targets for 460 yards and 5 TDs.

Over the last 5 games, in which Dallas is 2-3 and has barely outscored opponents 128-105 (thanks to the lopsided 43-3 victory of Atlanta), tight ends have only caught 23 passes on 33 attempts for 237 yards and 2 TDs.

I don't know for sure that 11 personnel has been used less frequently in this rough patch (although my Spidey sense says that it has), or that it has had a direct relationship to the declining effectiveness of the run game (ditto) or things like 3rd down conversion rates and drive length (ditto and ditto), but that would be an interesting study.

My totally uneducated opinion is that, when the offense is playing well, the tight ends are an important component because they are complementing both the passing game and the running game -- and that they have been used less frequently and less effectively over the past 5 games, when the offense that was white hot to start the season has cooled considerably. I'd sure like to see it fixed over the remainder of this season.

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When Shultz and Jarwin were both healthy, the TE stats were pretty good. Now that that's no longer the case you somehow need it explained to you why the TE stats are down? Seriously? Please figure this out for yourself so the rest of us don't continue to think you are as stupid as you are sounding. I want to think you are entitled to a little benefit of the doubt.

KJJ said:

I should’ve made it clear I was referring to the latter part of his career. However the Cowboys had him out there because he could still move the chains.

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And probably in reach of Gonzalez.

Where's Jarwin been, didn't he just get paid, haven't seen much of him at all...

TE BLOCKING IS THE WEAKNESS!!! A RB THAT CAN GET YOU MORE THAN 2 YEARS WHEN HEALTHY #21 WOULD HELP THIS OFFENSE

I thought the TE spot is the most steady position on this team, which may not be saying much.

Schultz is a product of the system,.. he's not a featured player of the system.

-He's not and will never be an elite TE, he's not a Kelce, Waller or Little , not one teams have to game plan or scheme for, he works best off QB roll outs and play action, where's
he's rolling into open space areas per QB roll outs , he's not gonna regularly beat the better cover LBs and safeties one on one - he doesn't have that kind of separation skills,

- he's works off what other plays and scheme opens up for him.

-he does have a nice knack and feel for zone and soft coverages, and rapport with the QB. He's very tough, never misses a game with injury, and will venture over the middle vs big hits.

-He's just the opposite of Blake Jarwin in who i think and consider a soft, pure finesse, injury prone player.

-and he's not a top notch in-line blocker either, he's effort but he's very average and light in the azz, and only shields his body between offense/defense bodies; and his subpar open field
and in space blocking tends to show up on too many occasions.

Schultz has shown up in too many games to be considered a " weakness " . imagine if we needed to depend upon,

TE Jay Novachek wasn't an overpowering in line blocker but that didn't stop the best OL in NFL history from wrecking havok on rest of the NFL.

Go correct the OL and the run game and see how everything in else falls into place.

JoeKing said:

When Shultz and Jarwin were both healthy, the TE stats were pretty good. Now that that's no longer the case you somehow need it explained to you why the TE stats are down? Seriously? Please figure this out for yourself so the rest of us don't continue to think you are as stupid as you are sounding. I want to think you are entitled to a little benefit of the doubt.

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jarwin had a measly 15 targets through the first 7 games, compared to schultz' 44 in that span.

if you don't realize how stupid it sounds to claim that jarwin's absence alone is to blame for the decrease in tight end targets starting in the denver game, well i don't give a flying fig what you think of my mental acuity.

I have a theory about the offense over the last few games... could totally be wrong but I think it was more of a strategy on the parts of KM and MM.
We will see on the 12th when we play WFT...
So my theory is that KM and MM looked at this part of the schedule and saw a grouping of AFC teams and NFC West teams before the stretch run of mostly Division opponents. I am kind of thinking (and hoping ) that they think winning the NFC East is more important and Priority number 1 over those non-division games...

Yes, the conference games are important but not as important as Division games and getting into the tournament....

I'm not saying they weren't playing to win, and obviously they weren't telling the O-Line to play like crap, but I think they didn't want to give too much away during that middle section of the season as they had such a big lead within the division and also had to play all of our division opponents at least 1 more time and could possibly be seeing one of the NFC West teams again in the playoffs...

My hope is that they are saving the good parts of the playbook for this stretch run coming up and the playoffs... again this is just a theory, but the offense we saw the 1st 7 games (6-1) seemed a heck of a lot better and more advanced and creative than the offense we have seen over the last 5 games (2-3)....
I guess we will find out come next Sunday against WFT...

Anyway, I am not trying to highjack this thread or anything just thought it would be an appropriate place to share these thoughts.

JPostSam said:

and if you subtract schultz, it all goes to pot.

that's not how this works.

i'm not suggesting that the tight end play has declined, but that the tight ends as a group have been used less -- and that has made both the passing game and the run game weaker.

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This has nothing to do with Schultz as he is included in both your first group of games and your second group of games. The point is we have two TEs used in the passing game and Jarwin is now hurt. So of course the TE stats will be down and the TEs will be used less since he is out. Not being down would have been the surprising outcome.