Chido is AFC’s highest rated CB

RonnieT24 said:

1) PFF is garbage.. always has been always will be.. No one who does not have the play sheets complete with what player had what assignment every play can accurately grade anybody.

2) Awuzie was a decent player.. but he was not a great player.. He still isn't .. but if a change of scenery helps his career I am happy for him.

3) Nobody deserves the kind of hate this fan base heaps on a player when they decide they don't like him.. It's rather sickening really.

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Awuzie > Brown

thunderpimp91 said:

Ok. What’s your analysis of chido this year?

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My analysis is no person that watches football thinks he’s the best CB in the AFC. Pff is a group of dungeon and dragon goofballs trying to grade football players. They declared Nate Livings who was possibly the worst lineman we’ve had in 20 years a “stud” after his one season with Dallas. Haven’t taken them seriously since.

BIGS87 said:

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I don’t know about pff and they’re grades… they had Anthony brown graded higher than Trevon Diggs. Make it make sense ??

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The painful truth about Diggs is that he not only leads the league in INTs, but he also leads the league yards given up. He is a playmaker but not in the Dieon Sanders mold. He gambles more than any CB in the league and its paid off 11 times. The rest of the game he's not good. I think he could be good if he played more conservatively. It all came together for me on that AJ Green 50 yard catch in the first quarter. Green did a stop and go, Diggs bit going for the INT, and Green ran right by him. You need Dieon Sanders speed to play like Diggs is playing now.

I think Jordan Lewis is good too and he gets no playing time. I’d roll with Diggs, Joseph and Lewis next year. Prob draft another CB but the defense is solid.

Jfconrow said:

I think Jordan Lewis is good too and he gets no playing time. I’d roll with Diggs, Joseph and Lewis next year. Prob draft another CB but the defense is solid.

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You do know that Lewis is the starter right? He was only benched in this last game because the coaches felt like he was a step slow after a battle with Covid.. which he was.. and he can't afford to be because he's not super fast to begin with..

BIGS87 said:

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I don’t know about pff and they’re grades… they had Anthony brown graded higher than Trevon Diggs. Make it make sense ??

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Anthony Brown is the worst CB in the league....I don't need PFF to tell me he's not.

atlantacowboy said:

The painful truth about Diggs is that he not only leads the league in INTs, but he also leads the league yards given up. He is a playmaker but not in the Dieon Sanders mold. He gambles more than any CB in the league and its paid off 11 times. The rest of the game he's not good. I think he could be good if he played more conservatively. It all came together for me on that AJ Green 50 yard catch in the first quarter. Green did a stop and go, Diggs bit going for the INT, and Green ran right by him. You need Dieon Sanders speed to play like Diggs is playing now.

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he definitely needs to find a better middle ground. reason there has only been one Deion is cause nobody else had his explosive physical abilities.

McKDaddy said:

he definitely needs to find a better middle ground. reason there has only been one Deion is cause nobody else had his explosive physical abilities.

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Diggs is only in his second year in the NFL and was a wide receiver his first year in college. As such this is literally only his 4th year playing corner in his life.. I think people need to give the kid a break.. He has a lot to learn.. and he's going to get beat sometimes while he does learn.. he will eventually learn when to be aggressive and when to be conservative and will pick his spots better. You can teach techniques, footwork, reading routes and tendencies.. What you can't teach are his ball skills and instincts ..

thunderpimp91 said:

Guy never deserved the hate he got. I was fine with the cowboys not paying him big money but I always like him. Seemed like a great coverage guy, he just struggled so much to find the ball. Accurate qbs tore him up.

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Like Brown, Awuzie seem to have issues turning his head around to locate the ball in the air,. ..the more he was asked to press and run at the line and downfield, the more he got exposed, the more he struggled.
Although i think Brown struggles even more with the lack- of -head turn than Chido.

What is the coverage scheme Awuzie is playing in Cincy ?
Does it have him playing off on a cushion where he can keep his man in front of him, and he can drive forward rather than having to turn n go upfield ?

For what it's worth, i liked Awuzie as a 2nd CB, more than i do Anthony Brown.

Awuzie was the best CB on the team last year IMO. But I actually think the CBs this year are playing a lot better. They are helped by the pass rush, but I have seen more pass breakups this year than in the past. We've also seen a lot fewer totally blown coverages than we saw last season.

RonnieT24 said:

Diggs is only in his second year in the NFL and was a wide receiver his first year in college. As such this is literally only his 4th year playing corner in his life.. I think people need to give the kid a break.. He has a lot to learn.. and he's going to get beat sometimes while he does learn.. he will eventually learn when to be aggressive and when to be conservative and will pick his spots better. You can teach techniques, footwork, reading routes and tendencies.. What you can't teach are his ball skills and instincts ..

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don't disagree with anything you said. however, someone needs to be coaching \ humbling him a little. it's easy for a player to get caught up in his own hype and bad habits become engrained. very difficult to undo that. just saying they need to get ahead of it.

Whirlwin said:

There are many players that leave this organization and go on to have a good careers

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must be the coaching........

quickccc said:

Like Brown, Awuzie seem to have issues turning his head around to locate the ball in the air,. ..the more he was asked to press and run at the line and downfield, the more he got exposed, the more he struggled.
Although i think Brown struggles even more with the lack- of -head turn than Chido.

What is the coverage scheme Awuzie is playing in Cincy ?
Does it have him playing off on a cushion where he can keep his man in front of him, and he can drive forward rather than having to turn n go upfield ?

For what it's worth, i liked Awuzie as a 2nd CB, more than i do Anthony Brown.

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Good question and I don’t know for sure. I live close to cincy and have watched a few games, but that doesn’t tell the whole story. They seem to play a ton of zone. Would make sense for awuzie to excel there where he’s already facing the qb in a heavy cover 3 scheme and doesn’t have to worry about turning his head.

the data is outdated, but last year cincy ran man coverage about 30% of the time, which was one of the lowest in the league. From the limited action I’ve watched that has stayed about the same this year.

McKDaddy said:

don't disagree with anything you said. however, someone needs to be coaching \ humbling him a little. it's easy for a player to get caught up in his own hype and bad habits become engrained. very difficult to undo that. just saying they need to get ahead of it.

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Young corners get abused at times in this league.. Diggs aint the first and he won't be the last.. It happened to Deion.. it happened to Revis.. and it will happen to every corner who comes into the league. Guys in the NFL are good.. generally better than anybody you faced in college.. because in many cases it's the same guys you faced in college who are now bigger, faster and stronger to say nothing of smarter in the game. I'm not worried about Diggs getting mired in bad habits as long as Al Harris is his coach.. That guy was a dawg.. and if coaches Diggs to play the way he did he'll be fine.. in fact he will be better than fine.. He'll be very good for a very long time.

Jfconrow said:

I think Jordan Lewis is good too and he gets no playing time. I’d roll with Diggs, Joseph and Lewis next year. Prob draft another CB but the defense is solid.

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As @RonnieT24 indicated, Jourdan Lewis has been the starting Nickel CB all but 1 game this season.

Lewis has averaged 74% of the snaps played on defense this season.
- He played 64% vs AZ after missing the previous game due to Covid.
- He got torched on a big play and then they brought in Kelvin Joseph with Brown then covering the slot WR.

Diggs, Brown, Lewis, Joseph and Wright are all under contract for 2022.
- Note: Joseph allowed a total of -2 yards receiving in the 1 game that he started.

• In the AZ game:
• Completion Rated when Targeted
  • Brown: 44.4%
  • Lewis: 100%
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• Yards Per Target Allowed
  • Brown: 5.6
  • Lewis: 13.8

• Snap Count Percentages
• Game #16 (WFT)
  • 0% Jourdan Lewis
  • 95% Kelvin Joseph
  • 80% Anthony Brown
  • 80% Trevon Diggs
  • 20% Nahshon Wright
  • 20% Maurice Canady

• Game #17 (AZ)
  • 64% Jourdan Lewis
  • 25% Kelvin Joseph
  • 100% Anthony Brown
  • 100% Trevon Diggs
  • 0% Nahshon Wright
  • 0% Maurice Canady

Kingofholland said:

Very true Jason Hatcher, Stephen Bowen, Morris Claiborne, Bobby Carpenter, Demarco Murray, Barry Church, Chris Canty, Anthony Hitchens, Kevin Burnett, Bruce Carter, Gavin Escobar, JJ Wilcox, Jeff Heath, Damien Wilson, and Malik Collins. What a combo of good players over the years that played a lot for us that were taken away.

Then we lost superstars Byron Jones, Cole Beasley, Xavier Woods, and Chido Awuzie.

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- FA affects every NFL team, and hard decisions have to be made, but most of the names you’re mentioning are serviceable to JAG players.
Only three players from your list I could see as core players - Byron, Hatcher and Beasley

- Gavin Escobar ? ... what did he ever do in KC after we got rid of him ? ..and eventually Chiefs got rid of him, it wasn't even in NFL anymore. JAG and high rd bust.

- Despite a record setting year with Cowboys, Murray was a bust when he signed up as a FA with Eagles
and with the Titans, he only held a starter job until they were ready to insert Henry , and then they cut Murray, not even thought of as a backup.
He retired from the NFL at age 29, probably cuz he wasn't seen as a starter in the NFL anymore ? .

- Carter and Claiborne were back of roster- fringe players- ironically Ward became a much better player than Mo’ who Cowboys reported
considered “ highest graded CB since Deion Sanders “ i'll never forget that.

- Damien Wilson was a FA bust with the KC Chiefs.

- Church became such a huge liability that Jax cut, after signing him to a big contract a couple years before.

- Malik Collins proved to be more of a rotational type DT than a center piece. I pray Gallimore becomes much more than that.

- Will OT Jeremy Parnell and OG Ron Leary names eventually gonna come up too as well ?
Oh, ...and don't forget Chaz Green as well. He's actually well-travelled around the NFL.

Dak_Attack_09 said:

Awuzie > Brown

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my grandma's better than brown. Browns cheaper

quickccc said:

- FA affects every NFL team, and hard decisions have to be made, but most of the names you’re mentioning are serviceable to JAG players.
Only three players from your list I could see as core players - Byron, Hatcher and Beasley

- Gavin Escobar ? ... what did he ever do in KC after we got rid of him ? ..and eventually Chiefs got rid of him, it wasn't even in NFL anymore. JAG and high rd bust.

- Despite a record setting year with Cowboys, Murray was a bust when he signed up as a FA with Eagles
and with the Titans, he only held a starter job until they were ready to insert Henry , and then they cut Murray, not even thought of as a backup.
He retired from the NFL at age 29, probably cuz he wasn't seen as a starter in the NFL anymore ? .

- Carter and Claiborne were back of roster- fringe players- ironically Ward became a much better player than Mo’ who Cowboys reported
considered “ highest graded CB since Deion Sanders “ i'll never forget that.

- Damien Wilson was a FA bust with the KC Chiefs.

- Church became such a huge liability that Jax cut, after signing him to a big contract a couple years before.

- Malik Collins proved to be more of a rotational type DT than a center piece. I pray Gallimore becomes much more than that.

- Will OT Jeremy Parnell and OG Ron Leary names eventually gonna come up too as well ?
Oh, ...and don't forget Chaz Green as well. He's actually well-travelled around the NFL.

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I could only name so many mediocre former Cowboys that left for other teams in free agency, lol. Parnell and Leary would be good examples too. The point being most of the players we let leave because of the $$$ ended up not going on to become good to great players. Byron Jones, Beasley, and M Bennett seemed to continue on their trajectory with their new teams. Those are probably the best players we let get away in free agency over the last 2 decades. I'm not really that disappointed either.

thunderpimp91 said:

Guy never deserved the hate he got. I was fine with the cowboys not paying him big money but I always like him. Seemed like a great coverage guy, he just struggled so much to find the ball. Accurate qbs tore him up.

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Considering Brown's play, I wonder what Quinn might could have done from him at least as far as finding the ball goes.

Chidobe is a puppy guarding fool who never made plays and got abused by top level talent. So glad he is gone.