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Would it benefit Moore and the team, if he coached and called plays from the booth, and not on the field.

I always been a firm believer the OC & DC should be in the booth, so they can see the layout and plays develop better than from the sidelines. I never bought into the reasoning of being with the players and crap. Except I see that for the ST's coach, communication is better 1st hand, since there are really a limited number of plays there.

I was watching the Dallas @ NE replay a few days ago. And seeing him walk on the sidelines, made me think of that.

Now production in that game was great, but way too many penalties called back some big plays. As well sloppy. Though Dak had the TD, they did not review. NE had penalties not called, such as a blow to the head on Dak. But an offensive penalty was called also. So the big gain did not count. However, the refs did miss the minor face mask on Brown in OT that would have given NE a 1st down, instead they punted.

Wilson drops a TD in the end zone, ball deflected fir an INT in the end zone. That was 21 points left on the field. If they made those plays, then Dak would have not hurt his calf. They win that game by 3 TD's.

Anyway, does it benefit them if Moore moves to the booth.
 
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Would it benefit Moore and the team, if he coached and called plays from the booth, and not on the field.

I always been a firm believer the OC & DC should be in the booth, so they can see the layout and plays develop better than from the sidelines. I never bought into the reasoning of being with the players and crap. Except I see that for the ST's coach, communication is better 1st hand, since there are really a limited number of plays there.

I was watching the Dallas @ NE replay a few days ago. And seeing him walk on the sidelines, made me think of that.

Now production in that game was great, but way too many penalties called back some big plays. As well sloppy. Though Dak had the TD, they did not review. NE had penalties not called, such as a blow to the head on Dak. But an offensive penalty was called also. So the big gain did not count. However, the refs did miss the minor face mask on Brown in OT that would have given NE a 1st down, instead they punted.

Wilson drops a TD in the end zone, ball deflected fir an INT in the end zone. That was 21 points left on the field. If they made those plays, then Dak would have not hurt his calf. They win that game by 3 TD's.

Anyway, does it benefit them if Moore moves to the booth.
Congrats on watching past games. I wouldn't have the stomach for it. I would garden or golf instead.

As for coach positioning, it all depends on what the OC and QB comfortable doing. I don't believe it makes that much difference either way.
 
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Congrats on watching past games. I wouldn't have the stomach for it. I would garden of golf instead.

As for coach positioning, it all depends on what the OC and QB comfortable doing. I don't believe it makes that much difference either way.

Actually I recorded it. Watched parts of it at 3 different times, speeding through commercials and extra points, stuff like that. No way would I sit for 3 hours to watch it again with commercials.
 

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Would it benefit Moore and the team, if he coached and called plays from the booth, and not on the field.

I always been a firm believer the OC & DC should be in the booth, so they can see the layout and plays develop better than from the sidelines. I never bought into the reasoning of being with the players and crap. Except I see that for the ST's coach, communication is better 1st hand, since there are really a limited number of plays there.

I was watching the Dallas @ NE replay a few days ago. And seeing him walk on the sidelines, made me think of that.

Now production in that game was great, but way too many penalties called back some big plays. As well sloppy. Though Dak had the TD, they did not review. NE had penalties not called, such as a blow to the head on Dak. But an offensive penalty was called also. So the big gain did not count. However, the refs did miss the minor face mask on Brown in OT that would have given NE a 1st down, instead they punted.

Wilson drops a TD in the end zone, ball deflected fir an INT in the end zone. That was 21 points left on the field. If they made those plays, then Dak would have not hurt his calf. They win that game by 3 TD's.

Anyway, does it benefit them if Moore moves to the booth.

You forget that NE had a TD called back by penalty that would have made it 21-7 in their favor. Gregory strip sacks Jones next play and the game goes from there. Also would have been a different trajectory had that TD stood. You admit the Brown blown no-call though. Just the way the ball bounces.
 

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You forget that NE had a TD called back by penalty that would have made it 21-7 in their favor. Gregory strip sacks Jones next play and the game goes from there. Also would have been a different trajectory had that TD stood. You admit the Brown blown no-call though. Just the way the ball bounces.

Yes a holding call on NE, but it was the right call also. Then the strip sack fumble.
There were a lot of moments in that game where either team could have taken over and made it a much different game.
 

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Hate to side with those who supposedly hate Kellen Moore, but I don't see things working out in Dallas. That Jacksonville situation would have been perfect. Instead Moore tied his fortunes to a declining Dak Prescott. Not fair to either side. But the ship has sailed on Moore being the next Boy Wonder coach.
 

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I feel the best spot for most all coordinators is in the booth where they can see the entire field and development of plays and alignments. Assistants can man the sidelines and the get player interaction. As for KM, i just hope he learns to adjust his offensive schemes regardless of where he is. Especially against the big boys in the NFL and not just the NFCE.
 

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Depends on the coach and how he best sees the field and if interaction with the players is critical to him.

If that was me, I’d be booth bound.

There are ways, nowadays, to get the booth view, and be on the field. Cowboys should have a big screen down there for Moore.. or he should at least be able to look at it on a tablet or something.

I'm still a firm believer in Kellen Moore.
 

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Would it benefit Moore and the team, if he coached and called plays from the booth, and not on the field.

I always been a firm believer the OC & DC should be in the booth, so they can see the layout and plays develop better than from the sidelines. I never bought into the reasoning of being with the players and crap. Except I see that for the ST's coach, communication is better 1st hand, since there are really a limited number of plays there.

I was watching the Dallas @ NE replay a few days ago. And seeing him walk on the sidelines, made me think of that.

Now production in that game was great, but way too many penalties called back some big plays. As well sloppy. Though Dak had the TD, they did not review. NE had penalties not called, such as a blow to the head on Dak. But an offensive penalty was called also. So the big gain did not count. However, the refs did miss the minor face mask on Brown in OT that would have given NE a 1st down, instead they punted.

Wilson drops a TD in the end zone, ball deflected fir an INT in the end zone. That was 21 points left on the field. If they made those plays, then Dak would have not hurt his calf. They win that game by 3 TD's.

Anyway, does it benefit them if Moore moves to the booth.
Jazz it’s a good question- field or booth? Like some have mentioned already, I think it depends on the OC and their style.

I would think Kellen Moore prefers being on the sideline because he often has face to face interactions with Dak and other players between series. Some coaches like being able to have those kind of conversations with players in person rather than on a headset. I’ve seen some other playcallers prefer the distance between them and the players while being able to see the field better. Not sure one way is better than the other.
 

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It's up to the coach what they prefer. My thought personally would be that is that it's always better on the field as it's much easier to communicate and draw things up. But they didn't ask me!!
 

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Would it benefit Moore and the team, if he coached and called plays from the booth, and not on the field.

I always been a firm believer the OC & DC should be in the booth, so they can see the layout and plays develop better than from the sidelines. I never bought into the reasoning of being with the players and crap. Except I see that for the ST's coach, communication is better 1st hand, since there are really a limited number of plays there.

I was watching the Dallas @ NE replay a few days ago. And seeing him walk on the sidelines, made me think of that.

Now production in that game was great, but way too many penalties called back some big plays. As well sloppy. Though Dak had the TD, they did not review. NE had penalties not called, such as a blow to the head on Dak. But an offensive penalty was called also. So the big gain did not count. However, the refs did miss the minor face mask on Brown in OT that would have given NE a 1st down, instead they punted.

Wilson drops a TD in the end zone, ball deflected fir an INT in the end zone. That was 21 points left on the field. If they made those plays, then Dak would have not hurt his calf. They win that game by 3 TD's.

Anyway, does it benefit them if Moore moves to the booth.
I would tend to agree.
 

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Would it benefit Moore and the team, if he coached and called plays from the booth, and not on the field.

I always been a firm believer the OC & DC should be in the booth, so they can see the layout and plays develop better than from the sidelines. I never bought into the reasoning of being with the players and crap. Except I see that for the ST's coach, communication is better 1st hand, since there are really a limited number of plays there.

I was watching the Dallas @ NE replay a few days ago. And seeing him walk on the sidelines, made me think of that.

Now production in that game was great, but way too many penalties called back some big plays. As well sloppy. Though Dak had the TD, they did not review. NE had penalties not called, such as a blow to the head on Dak. But an offensive penalty was called also. So the big gain did not count. However, the refs did miss the minor face mask on Brown in OT that would have given NE a 1st down, instead they punted.

Wilson drops a TD in the end zone, ball deflected fir an INT in the end zone. That was 21 points left on the field. If they made those plays, then Dak would have not hurt his calf. They win that game by 3 TD's.

Anyway, does it benefit them if Moore moves to the booth.
I can buy into that...have never liked the fact players can get into his ear and call plays...coaches constantly meddling in his job. You either trust him to do the job...or you don't.
 

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Would it benefit Moore and the team, if he coached and called plays from the booth, and not on the field.

I always been a firm believer the OC & DC should be in the booth, so they can see the layout and plays develop better than from the sidelines. I never bought into the reasoning of being with the players and crap. Except I see that for the ST's coach, communication is better 1st hand, since there are really a limited number of plays there.

I was watching the Dallas @ NE replay a few days ago. And seeing him walk on the sidelines, made me think of that.

Now production in that game was great, but way too many penalties called back some big plays. As well sloppy. Though Dak had the TD, they did not review. NE had penalties not called, such as a blow to the head on Dak. But an offensive penalty was called also. So the big gain did not count. However, the refs did miss the minor face mask on Brown in OT that would have given NE a 1st down, instead they punted.

Wilson drops a TD in the end zone, ball deflected fir an INT in the end zone. That was 21 points left on the field. If they made those plays, then Dak would have not hurt his calf. They win that game by 3 TD's.

Anyway, does it benefit them if Moore moves to the booth.

Personally I would want to be down on the field with the players watching them and talking to them. Communicating with them.
 

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Hate to side with those who supposedly hate Kellen Moore, but I don't see things working out in Dallas. That Jacksonville situation would have been perfect. Instead Moore tied his fortunes to a declining Dak Prescott. Not fair to either side. But the ship has sailed on Moore being the next Boy Wonder coach.
Trevor Lawrence would have a few WTH moments.
 

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I can buy into that...have never liked the fact players can get into his ear and call plays...coaches constantly meddling in his job. You either trust him to do the job...or you don't.

I remember reading a few years ago, actually it was on some sounds from the game clips also. The RB's coach, during the end of the Vikings game, was in Moore's ear, yapping about keep running Zeke up the middle one will break out soon. It had not worked all game long. Dallas needed a TD, Moore gave in, and tried Zeke once again, and it failed once again. Then he tired some other stupid cute play that failed. Dallas could have won if Moore stuck to his plays, and not listened to the RB coach.

This is why they need to be in the booth. The RB coach was literally following Moore around yapping at him.

Ironically, last season that was all Moore did, was run Zeke up the middle when it was obvious it was not working. An injured OL, injured Zeke, running into a stacked box. :facepalm:
 

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I remember reading a few years ago, actually it was on some sounds from the game clips also. The RB's coach, during the end of the Vikings game, was in Moore's ear, yapping about keep running Zeke up the middle one will break out soon. It had not worked all game long. Dallas needed a TD, Moore gave in, and tried Zeke once again, and it failed once again. Then he tired some other stupid cute play that failed. Dallas could have won if Moore stuck to his plays, and not listened to the RB coach.

This is why they need to be in the booth. The RB coach was literally following Moore around yapping at him.

Ironically, last season that was all Moore did, was run Zeke up the middle when it was obvious it was not working. An injured OL, injured Zeke, running into a stacked box. :facepalm:
But was that a result of the owner/GM/coach/jockwasher telling him too?
 

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I remember reading a few years ago, actually it was on some sounds from the game clips also. The RB's coach, during the end of the Vikings game, was in Moore's ear, yapping about keep running Zeke up the middle one will break out soon. It had not worked all game long. Dallas needed a TD, Moore gave in, and tried Zeke once again, and it failed once again. Then he tired some other stupid cute play that failed. Dallas could have won if Moore stuck to his plays, and not listened to the RB coach.

This is why they need to be in the booth. The RB coach was literally following Moore around yapping at him.

Ironically, last season that was all Moore did, was run Zeke up the middle when it was obvious it was not working. An injured OL, injured Zeke, running into a stacked box. :facepalm:
As to the overall point....I agree on the distraction thing on the sidelines. They can talk one on one when needed from the booth.

For me, the view difference is night and day. Ever sit in the first few rows behind the bench? It's an awful vantage point. Line play is impossible to judge, but in the end I suppose it's personal preference (or what Jerry wants lololol), but I dont think it has much to do with success vs failure.
 
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