Just because you paid him does not make him worth it

plasticman

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Geeez, they tried. Dak agreed, and then renegged. How do people not know this?
Dak agreed to a contract amount prior to being franchised? And then he changed his mind? When?

I believe that they offered Dak a lowball figure during his fourth season and he said absolutely no. Then during the franchise phase they failed to acknowledge that they had waited too long and newer QB contracts had set the market higher. That was their fault for trying to prove they were slick negotiators.

So Dak gets hurt during his franchise tag season and the Cowboys offensive output plummets drastically. Obviously, that created leverage for Dak.. With Dak, they were on pace to break the Cowboys season record for passing yardage while averaging 32.6 points a game. Without him, they averaged 21.1 points per game. That is an eleven and a half point difference. Keep in mind, they were using Dalton, a QB that was a former Pro Bowler

If they had paid market value for him after his 3rd season they would have saved somewhere around 15 million a season. Instead, they decided to concentrate on signing Zeke to a record contract. They threw Dak on the backburner and then made an offer that implied Dak's contribution could be easily substituted. After all, the real star of the offense was Zeke.
 

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I don't have a problem with Dak getting paid. It is what it is. But just because you paid him...that does not mean his performance equates to his paycheck. Jerry should KNOW this. Just because Dallas is the most highly valued franchise in all of sports...that does not mean the product on the field is the cream of the crop. Jerry is reluctant to pay people because he is not sure their performance will equal their paycheck...but he has no problem stuffing his pockets with all the money he can, all the while the performance of his team does not reflect the franchise value.

Dak is who he is. His ceiling is Russell Wilson. BUT. BUT. You have to have the right pieces around him. Coaching, the Legion of Boom, the running game and defense allowed Russell Wilson to be the best version of himself and he maximized his potential and had a couple of Super Bowl runs. Why would we take the #1 offense in the NFL last year....and downgrade the WRs corps by a lot? The Oline is downgraded. The RB position is downgraded (Zeke is who he is at this point...and you don't get better as you age). Mike McCarthy is no Pete Carrol. And AT&T stadium is not the homefield advantage that Seattle had.

We have seen Dak without WRs before. It was not pretty. We are trying something that has already failed. Teams are going to load the box and force Dak to beat them with Lamb and (3rd round rookie, USFL star, undrafted rookie etc...). We will try to run into a loaded box. Get into predictable 3rd and longs when the run is stuffed. And be under a lot of pressure to convert unfavorable down and distances multiple times per drive. Oh, I forgot to mix in a penalty from the OL. Like I said, we have seen this before, it is not rocket science. Oh, I almost forgot, we will probably put up enough yards to appear.....

I cannot take this team seriously. I knew not to take them seriously when I witnessed the comedy club act at McCarthys signing. Then he immediately went to work proving to be the clown we now know he is. The one thing Jerry had done over the Garrett years and now McCarthy... is keep enough talent on the field to give off the appearance of a title team in SPITE of the coaching. But the one thing you HAVE to have when your talent on the field is AVERAGE....is good coaching. And going into this season, I seriously question the talent on the field. And we now know it was not McCarthy in Green Bay, it was Rodgers. And I don't care what stats Dak has/will put up...he ain't Rodgers.
Spot on with much written,.......however......."No one ever says a player is out-performing his contract"........and that is equally discerning as overpaying a player in a contact sport.
 

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I disagree. There was nothing fine about that pass play being called when there there was a RB that was running over the defense every time that he carried the ball. Pete made one of the worst play calls in Super Bowl history.

I said "most agree they should have ran it" so we aren't disagreeing. I'm just also saying the pass would have scored IF the Patriots hadn't been super thorough with their study of tendencies. IF the pass play scores or at least isn't a turnover, nobody would be talking about it as a key play.

I agree it should have been a run ..... but I give a healthy leeway to play callers. Sometimes unfortunate things happen. It doesn't necessarily mean the play call was bad.
 

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Dak agreed to a contract amount prior to being franchised? And then he changed his mind? When?

Yes. It was a major discussion point during that period. They had an "understanding" with Dak and apparently by the time they sat down to do the paperwork the agent had convinced Dak to not sign under the agreed upon terms.
 

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How and why are you banking on the defense? The money is on the other side of the ball. The only improvement(Parsons)was there last year..digs most likely will regress bc he over runs routes going for picks. We haven’t added a high level corner or anyone that makes me think this year will be better than last…I hope I’m wrong though. Offense will need to carry defense not the other way around.
What’s wrong with our D looking as good or better. And our Offense going back to standard. We had injuries and lame players in Williams and Collins. Upgrade and health will make our Offense better than last year.
 

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I don't have a problem with Dak getting paid. It is what it is. But just because you paid him...that does not mean his performance equates to his paycheck. Jerry should KNOW this. Just because Dallas is the most highly valued franchise in all of sports...that does not mean the product on the field is the cream of the crop. Jerry is reluctant to pay people because he is not sure their performance will equal their paycheck...but he has no problem stuffing his pockets with all the money he can, all the while the performance of his team does not reflect the franchise value.

Dak is who he is. His ceiling is Russell Wilson. BUT. BUT. You have to have the right pieces around him. Coaching, the Legion of Boom, the running game and defense allowed Russell Wilson to be the best version of himself and he maximized his potential and had a couple of Super Bowl runs. Why would we take the #1 offense in the NFL last year....and downgrade the WRs corps by a lot? The Oline is downgraded. The RB position is downgraded (Zeke is who he is at this point...and you don't get better as you age). Mike McCarthy is no Pete Carrol. And AT&T stadium is not the homefield advantage that Seattle had.

We have seen Dak without WRs before. It was not pretty. We are trying something that has already failed. Teams are going to load the box and force Dak to beat them with Lamb and (3rd round rookie, USFL star, undrafted rookie etc...). We will try to run into a loaded box. Get into predictable 3rd and longs when the run is stuffed. And be under a lot of pressure to convert unfavorable down and distances multiple times per drive. Oh, I forgot to mix in a penalty from the OL. Like I said, we have seen this before, it is not rocket science. Oh, I almost forgot, we will probably put up enough yards to appear.....

I cannot take this team seriously. I knew not to take them seriously when I witnessed the comedy club act at McCarthys signing. Then he immediately went to work proving to be the clown we now know he is. The one thing Jerry had done over the Garrett years and now McCarthy... is keep enough talent on the field to give off the appearance of a title team in SPITE of the coaching. But the one thing you HAVE to have when your talent on the field is AVERAGE....is good coaching. And going into this season, I seriously question the talent on the field. And we now know it was not McCarthy in Green Bay, it was Rodgers. And I don't care what stats Dak has/will put up...he ain't Rodgers.
It's time to breakout the Cowboy's secret weapon at QB!!!!!! I say it's high time to bring in ...............Parsons to run the offense. Anything got to be better than Dakota " Toad Hunter" Prescot!
 

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It’s the way of the NFL. He is a top ten QB
That might be true. If not top 10....top 12 for sure. But you did not answer the question. Do you think Dak can take a roster that is less talented than last year...further this year? And if you don't feel that is true. Then that is why I am asking out loud....why did Jerry...at this stage in his life...downgrade the roster!
 

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That might be true. If not top 10....top 12 for sure. But you did not answer the question. Do you think Dak can take a roster that is less talented than last year...further this year? And if you don't feel that is true. Then that is why I am asking out loud....why did Jerry...at this stage in his life...downgrade the roster!
Jerry got angry at his money which he claimed he would never do. He planted a sapling that he will never sit under the shade of that grown tree.
Jerry likes the spotlight but he”s retired. he had to agree with Stephen to the major changes they made.
They simply weren’t able to get all the pieces put together.
 

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Jerry got angry at his money which he claimed he would never do. He planted a sapling that he will never sit under the shade of that grown tree.
Jerry likes the spotlight but he”s retired. he had to agree with Stephen to the major changes they made.
They simply weren’t able to get all the pieces put together.
?????????
 

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I like what the Cowboys are doing to build a team. Sure, maybe i would want a big splash in FA but I can't argue with how they perform in the draft and how they are building this team. Everyone cried about Tyler Smith, the guy looks like an absolute stud to me at LG. He alone will resurrect our running game, IMO. EVERYONE cried about Amari Cooper, he isn't practicing with an ankle. Everyone cried about Collins...not practicing. Everyone cried about Gregory....not practicing. Stop me if you heard this before.

Meanwhile, the first 4 picks in this draft look like they are going to be good to great players.

The offense hasn't been the problem for this team. I am not sure what games you have been watching. When we get beat, it is because we get ground up on defense.
And that’s bc the money is on offense. The offense needs 30pts bc we don’t pay or pick on high on defense. Outside of parsons we haven’t picked a defensive first rounder in a long time. Just saying we have the most underpaid defense and are hoping for miracles like jaylon.
 

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Yes. It was a major discussion point during that period. They had an "understanding" with Dak and apparently by the time they sat down to do the paperwork the agent had convinced Dak to not sign under the agreed upon terms.
who had an understanding? where is any articles or discussions to point to that fact? or was Skip Bayless your source of truth....
 

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And that’s bc the money is on offense. The offense needs 30pts bc we don’t pay or pick on high on defense. Outside of parsons we haven’t picked a defensive first rounder in a long time. Just saying we have the most underpaid defense and are hoping for miracles like jaylon.
Ya, they have definitely invested in offense more. I think that is another eason why they got rid of Cooper and Collins was to divest a bit from Offense and put more money in defense. Contracts coming up will minimize the money gap in coming years between offense and defense.

I would expect next years first to perhaps go to defense...we will see.

If they have a lot of these young defenders ball out..however, they may go O again.
 

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Dak agreed to a contract amount prior to being franchised? And then he changed his mind? When?

I believe that they offered Dak a lowball figure during his fourth season and he said absolutely no. Then during the franchise phase they failed to acknowledge that they had waited too long and newer QB contracts had set the market higher. That was their fault for trying to prove they were slick negotiators.

So Dak gets hurt during his franchise tag season and the Cowboys offensive output plummets drastically. Obviously, that created leverage for Dak.. With Dak, they were on pace to break the Cowboys season record for passing yardage while averaging 32.6 points a game. Without him, they averaged 21.1 points per game. That is an eleven and a half point difference. Keep in mind, they were using Dalton, a QB that was a former Pro Bowler

If they had paid market value for him after his 3rd season they would have saved somewhere around 15 million a season. Instead, they decided to concentrate on signing Zeke to a record contract. They threw Dak on the backburner and then made an offer that implied Dak's contribution could be easily substituted. After all, the real star of the offense was Zeke.
It was big news at the time.

They offered him market value and he agreed. And then renegged. You have this one wrong, Plas, and I agree w/ you on a lot of your ideas.
 
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